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Lufthansa To Start Dusseldorf-Dubai  
User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1569 posts, RR: 12
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Beginning Nov 26 09, Lufthansa will commence a weekly Dusseldorf-Dubai A340-300 service.
This will complement the daily 747-400 to Frankfurt and the daily A340-300 to Munich.

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...sa-dusseldorf-dubai-from-late.html

Wonder why the frequency is so low though.

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6655 times:
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Quoting Directorguy (Thread starter):
Wonder why the frequency is so low though.

Good question. One weekly flight is not a lot. And it says that this flight won't operate from 19 DEC through 07 JAN. THis is somehow weird.

What will the crew do? Stay a week in DXB or will they fly back on duty on the flight to MUC and the rotation will be changed?

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Glorified charter flight by any chance?


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

This flight will undermine EK presence in DUS. A lot of the traffic DUS-DXB originates in the Netherlands. Good to see LH reacting to EK presence.

Rgs,

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6662 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
This flight will undermine EK presence in DUS.

I am not sure how a once weekly token flight by LH will undermine EK ?


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6640 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I am not sure how a once weekly token flight by LH will undermine EK ?

I just noted the service is 1 weekly...

Rgs,

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
This flight will undermine EK presence in DUS. A lot of the traffic DUS-DXB originates in the Netherlands. Good to see LH reacting to EK presence.



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I am not sure how a once weekly token flight by LH will undermine EK ?

EK is flying daily with 773 to DUS? Then one weekly 340 will not cause any harm to EK. I think LH is trying to see if there is a market and starts a weekly flight.
Or DXB is limiting the slots, so that LH can only offer one weekly flight and they take that slot in order to hope there will be more opening soon. Just a thought.

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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3591 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

AFAIK, it is a feeder flight for AIDA cruises departing DXB. Hence the frequency. Most seats will be bulk sold to the crusie ship operator. Nothing to get too excited about.

User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6582 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):

EK is flying daily with 773 to DUS?

I think it is mostly A332


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6582 times:
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Quoting Glareskin (Reply 8):
I think it is mostly A332

So they reduced that already. I saw the 773 a lot of times there.

Then a 343 of LH would be a good option. I am sure it will be the 3 class 340? Is there a good C and F class market to DXB?

wilco737


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6572 times:
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Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 7):
AFAIK, it is a feeder flight for AIDA cruises departing DXB. Hence the frequency. Most seats will be bulk sold to the crusie ship operator. Nothing to get too excited about.

That sounds reasonable as well.  thumbsup  Makes sense with the weekly schedule then.

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1569 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6443 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 7):
AFAIK, it is a feeder flight for AIDA cruises departing DXB. Hence the frequency. Most seats will be bulk sold to the crusie ship operator. Nothing to get too excited about.

Makes sense. Definately a glorified charter service. I was thinking that LH had some arrangement with some tourism company, this explains it. No one in this day and age flies a route once a week.

User currently offlineLEEDS19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6394 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):
Or DXB is limiting the slots, so that LH can only offer one weekly flight and they take that slot in order to hope there will be more opening soon. Just a thought.

DXB operates an Open Skies Policy so there is nothing stopping LH or any carrier operating as many flights per week as they like to DXB at whatever time they like. How EK would love the German Gvmt to adopt this policy but that aint gonna happen any time soon.

User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6016 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
This flight will undermine EK presence in DUS. A lot of the traffic DUS-DXB originates in the Netherlands. Good to see LH reacting to EK presence.

Rgs,

Indeed, but very sad they start the 26th!

I'm still looking for a convenient option to get to the Dubai Airshow and back on 15-19 Nov. 2009. And no, KLM is not an option as they charge 1350€ while others are all around € 500-600. So I looked for flights ex DUS, and only EK offered a A332 service. Other good options are LX (AMS-ZRH-DXB), and LH (AMS-FRA/MUC-DXB). since I am a *A flyer, the Lh service DUS-DXB would be a great solution.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):

EK is flying daily with 773 to DUS? Then one weekly 340 will not cause any harm to EK. I think LH is trying to see if there is a market and starts a weekly flight.
Or DXB is limiting the slots, so that LH can only offer one weekly flight and they take that slot in order to hope there will be more opening soon. Just a thought.

wilco737

They have been flying A332's there for quite some time now.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5869 times:
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Quoting LEEDS19 (Reply 12):
DXB operates an Open Skies Policy so there is nothing stopping LH or any carrier operating as many flights per week as they like to DXB at whatever time they like. How EK would love the German Gvmt to adopt this policy but that aint gonna happen any time soon.

Ah, excellent. Thanks for that information, didn't know that.

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 13):
They have been flying A332's there for quite some time now.

Time for me to get back to short haul flying, I am not informed anymore Big grin

thanks for that.

wilco737


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User currently offlineB777Neuss From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5828 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 7):
EK is flying daily with 773 to DUS?

EK flies two times daily with A332. 14 times a week.

User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5788 times:



Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 13):
I'm still looking for a convenient option to get to the Dubai Airshow and back on 15-19 Nov. 2009. And no, KLM is not an option as they charge 1350€ while others are all around € 500-600

20 second search on KLM website gives me E 976 all in. If you're flexibale, returning on the 20th, then the price goes down to 585.
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Only extra charge is E10 booking cost. Pretty decent deal, and very much inline with others I would assume???


Maybe I'm missing something, perhaps you would be so good to point that out?

Thanks,
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5694 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
And it says that this flight won't operate from 19 DEC through 07 JAN. THis is somehow weird.

Plane is going to be used on an extra MIA-DUS frequency during that period.


a.
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5685 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 7):
AFAIK, it is a feeder flight for AIDA cruises departing DXB. Hence the frequency. Most seats will be bulk sold to the crusie ship operator. Nothing to get too excited about.

So I was right

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Glorified charter flight by any chance?

:D


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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5586 times:
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Quoting PW100 (Reply 16):

Only extra charge is E10 booking cost. Pretty decent deal, and very much inline with others I would assume???


Maybe I'm missing something, perhaps you would be so good to point that out?

Yes, I'm leaving monday the 16th, and travelling back the 20th. Next to that, when flying non-*A, I mostly book using schiphol.nl, as this most of the time gets me the most decent prices. In this way I for example got a one-way fare CDG-AMS for 67€, while KLM.nl asking 412€.
So may be this time, that was a bad move.

Quoting Directorguy (Thread starter):

Beginning Nov 26 09, Lufthansa will commence a weekly Dusseldorf-Dubai A340-300 service.
This will complement the daily 747-400 to Frankfurt and the daily A340-300 to Munich.

If I'm not mistaken, MUC-DXB and FRA-DXB are both flown twice a day, with the A346 as additional equipment on both routes.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5518 times:



Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 19):
Yes, I'm leaving monday the 16th, and travelling back the 20th. Next to that, when flying non-*A, I mostly book using schiphol.nl,

Why not using a business travel agency? They always have special volume deals with airlines saving hundreds of euros in Business class. Y class as well btw....


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User currently offlineAeropix From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5034 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
A lot of the traffic DUS-DXB originates in the Netherlands. Good to see LH reacting to EK presence.

Funny, another thread claims that EK cannot attract traffic ffrom AMS, therefore, no PAX service on EK to AMS. HMMM!?!?

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5540 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4953 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Thread starter):
Beginning Nov 26 09, Lufthansa will commence a weekly Dusseldorf-Dubai A340-300 service.
This will complement the daily 747-400 to Frankfurt and the daily A340-300 to Munich.

And the daily ZRH-DUB flight.

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1581 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4915 times:



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 22):
And the daily ZRH-DUB flight.

I asume you mean LX operating ZRH-DXB, since DUB is in Ireland Big grin


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4913 times:



Quoting Aeropix (Reply 21):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
A lot of the traffic DUS-DXB originates in the Netherlands. Good to see LH reacting to EK presence.

Funny, another thread claims that EK cannot attract traffic ffrom AMS, therefore, no PAX service on EK to AMS. HMMM!?!?

Many Dutch passengers (to many destinations) use DUS because fares from Germany are often lower than from AMS due to lower taxes and other government fees etc. DUS is also as close if not closer than AMS for people living in the eastern part of the Netherlands.

I think EK avoids AMS because there's already enough capacity in the AMS-DXB market with KL operating more than daily 772s (10 per week). No other carrier from the entire Gulf region serves AMS either, except for Iran Air. I'm sure EY/QR/GF/KU/SV have similar reasons for avoiding AMS. KL serves all of those carriers' home countries.

25 Directorguy: I'm pretty sure FRA-DXB is 7x B744 and MUC-DXB is 7x A343. And the daily VIE-DXB B767.
26 BrouAviation: Ah yes, you are right. I was confused by the various flightnumbers used. Is the PrivatAir FRA-DXB flight still there?
27 Post contains links Andie007: Already informed on this on June 10, 2009 New 1 Weekly Service: DUS-DXB On Lufthansa A343 (by Andie007 Jun 10 2009 in Civil Aviation) It's mainly oper
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