Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6136 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7887 times:
As always this is a comparison to what was for sale the prior week and not the prior year. Seasonal changes are gradually implemented in the selling schedule.
Of the NW routes that were dropped last week, three were transferred to DL this week:
DBQ-MSP CXLD 2>0
DCA-DSM CXLD 1>0 TRANSFERRED to DL
DTW-FSD CXLD 1>0
JFK-AMS CXLD 1>0 TRANSFERRED to DL
LAX-MKE CXLD 1>0
MSP-MQT CXLD 1>0
MSN-DCA CXLD 1>0 TRANSFERRED to DL
The rest remain canceled.
I changed the format a little again in my continuing quest to reduce my keystrokes. Here is the key:
JFK-CUN 2>1 NOV, JAN means that service was reduced from 2 roundtrips to 1 roundtrip for November and January, but not December.
MCO-SJU 4.5>5.5 NOV- means service increased by 1 roundtrip through infinity or at least the next several months.
Also, please keep in mind that more and more flights don't operate daily (even weekdays) so I often round the number of departures based upon a week or a month.
B6
JFK-CUN 2>1 NOV, JAN
JFK-CUN 3>1 DEC
MCO-SJU 4.5>5.5 NOV-
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6136 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7874 times:
BTW, the surprising renewed of CVG-IAH service is aboard CRJ aircraft. Somebody must have realized CO was no longer in SkyTeam! It had been on CRJ and CR9s before it was axed.
Seriously, judging from this board they probably got a ton of complaints.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7088 times:
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7075 times:
The last p2p route gone from MKE, although I suppose that seasonal weekly CUN could stick around? I imagine IND will soon suffer a similar fate. Let's hope somebody there will be able to pick up the slack!
Surprising additions, but great to see DL actually adding something back to CVG. Maybe the hub is finally rightsized, and will see consistent levels of service henceforth.
I'm sure HA will be delighted with this news. SEA seems like one of their stronger stations. Though, I imagine it will be AS to pick up the slack here....
That BHM-IAD route just doesn't seem to work out for UA. I guess there just isn't much traffic from Birmingham to the nation's capital, East Coast, and beyond....Yet DEN-BHM seems to do great. I'll never understand some things...
MYR has gone seasonal so far as I know, though ORD-MYR service is gone. Will this be a seasonal cut?
Af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2578 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6963 times:
Great to see some more flights on MSP-CVG, but sad that some routes from MSP are being cut or downsized. I'm surprised both FL and DL are downgrading on ATL-MSP.
It actually ended a while ago, and was brought back after Midwest and Airtran pulled out of MKE-LAX. Though with book carriers now back in the market, makes sense for the return.
I'm sure HA will be delighted with this news. SEA seems like one of their stronger stations. Though, I imagine it will be AS to pick up the slack here....
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6136 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6705 times:
Quoting FL787 (Reply 2): This is a direct result of the DL/NW merger. The economy played a part too of course but now its a hub-to-hub route of the world's largest airline.
Perhaps...FL is loathe to run from DL, though.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): That's an awful lot of capacity cut from CUN!! I hope that station is still doing well for B6...
I get the impression that H1N1 still lingers in people's minds.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): They aren't adding anything back. Delta is just not going to discontinue Houston as it planned.
Poh-tay-toe Puh-tot-oh
Somebody important wasn't happy with this cut. I agree that this is just a stay of execution. The electric chair is still heating up.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): A surprising addition given the competitive nature of this route.
F9 added another flight in there a few weeks ago. The lambs are lining up for the day WN announces it and the slaughter worsens.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): That BHM-IAD route just doesn't seem to work out for UA.
How many times has UA or UA* cut this route? All the way back to Presidential it has been getting cut.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): Is this a new route for US, or seasonal resumption?
New I think.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): FL cuts this every winter, IIRC.
True, but every year they leave it selling with hope they can keep it. Once again hopes have been dashed.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5531 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6620 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): I'm sure HA will be delighted with this news. SEA seems like one of their stronger stations. Though, I imagine it will be AS to pick up the slack here....
Maybe AS will introduce a 2nd RT SEA-OGG in light of DL cancelling their flight.
CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6502 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 7): Maybe AS will introduce a 2nd RT SEA-OGG in light of DL cancelling their flight.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6091 times:
I'm disappointed with this, but I completely understand why it was done. I was really looking forward to driving the 5 miles from my house at school to the airport to nonrev, but it looks like I'll have to suck it up one more year and make the drive down to MLI for all of my trips. My beat up old car isn't going to be able to take much more of that!
Quoting Enilria (Reply 1): BTW, the surprising renewed of CVG-IAH service is aboard CRJ aircraft. Somebody must have realized CO was no longer in SkyTeam! It had been on CRJ and CR9s before it was axed.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): They aren't adding anything back. Delta is just not going to discontinue Houston as it planned.
Well isn't this interesting, I was banned for 3 days just 2 weeks ago because I was accused of double posting when I first noticed that DL had cancelled CVG-IAH, and here someone else is talking about it and low and behold it's still here. That is a crock of you-know-what. So once again, I say I did not double post.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21243 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5936 times:
Do you know whether this is a cut or a switch to AF?
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): I'm surprised this didn't work out given the airline's strength in Michigan, but the city will remain a Delta station served via DTW.
I imagine that all the unnecessary MQ capacity from ORD pretty well trashes the yields at MQT...
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6136 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5830 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12): Do you know whether this is a cut or a switch to AF?
There was no additional AF this week, however, it isn't uncommon for schedule changes to be out of sync among partners. So that is a possibility, but if so it hasn't happened yet.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5691 times:
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 4): Great to see some more flights on MSP-CVG, but sad that some routes from MSP are being cut or downsized. I'm surprised both FL and DL are downgrading on ATL-MSP.
FL is probably trimming back ATL-MSP because I believe several MKE-MSP flights are coming online. Maybe some of the Northern connecting traffic can be handled through MKE.
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 863 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5557 times:
Thank God for the return of CVG-IAH, perhaps someone at DL had enough sense to rethink that move. Not all of us DL frequent flyers enjoy being stuffed through ATL.... Upgrade be damned, I have no problem with the exit row on the CRJ.
PHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
Do you know whether this is a cut or a switch to AF?
I've been hearing it is a cut but that 1 flight will be on a 764, as will CDG-CVG to make up for lost CVG-FRA and CVG-LGW capacity. But this source is not always the most reliable so don't hold me to it.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5201 times:
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 14): FL is probably trimming back ATL-MSP because I believe several MKE-MSP flights are coming online.
Are you talking additional MKE-MSP flights or just the three now? FL is routing a lot of east coast stuff through MKE from MSP. I've seen a lot of large groups flying to the east coast through MKE.
Rampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4712 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3): The last p2p route gone from MKE, although I suppose that seasonal weekly CUN could stick around? I imagine IND will soon suffer a similar fate. Let's hope somebody there will be able to pick up the slack!
I have a feeling that as soon as Delta obtains the route authority, NW's Saturday IND-CUN will be gone as fast as you can slap a tick. Does anyone agree or disagree with that?
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6136 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4591 times:
Quoting Rampguy (Reply 18):
I have a feeling that as soon as Delta obtains the route authority, NW's Saturday IND-CUN will be gone as fast as you can slap a tick. Does anyone agree or disagree with that?
My understanding is that all foreign authorities have been transferred to DL already. I suspect that F9, who once flew the route, will return soon with the YX code as part of their broader relationship. I would expect FL will fly it as well and much like LAX, DL will not feel the need to fly it with YX/F9 flying it. Could be wrong, though, because we don't yet know what the F9-DL dynamic is going to be. Will they be treated with the same "cousin" status as YX has been now that they are under the same umbrella?
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4372 times:
So how does an intra-airline swap like this work exactly ... Delta Connection aircraft branding? Are they using ASA or Comair? If I recall, when they debuted this route, they used a Compass CRJ900 ... or was that the flight to LGA. Regardless, this is good news for my pal, who is based out of DCA for Air Whisky and lives in Des Moines.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4344 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12): I imagine that all the unnecessary MQ capacity from ORD pretty well trashes the yields at MQT...
MQT-MSP is being dropped since it was more or less a way to bridge Saabs into MSP from DTW. The flight was poorly timed, compared to the 4x daily DTW-MQT
MQT now only has NW/DL service to DTW, like CMX only has NW/DL service to MSP.
MQ has the one-stop flights to ORD from MQT more or less to ferry planes up to MQT to the maintenance base.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4230 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 6): I get the impression that H1N1 still lingers in people's minds.
CUN was doing well for B6 until the H1N1 hit, then things went south...really bad. CUN is getting HUGE cuts, not only from JFK. BOS-CUN will be cut during the trough season to only a few days a week, TPA-CUN is suspended, IAD-CUN is reduced as well.
An interesting change in the schedule is the JFK-SLC is being swapped to an E190 (if I read the changes correctly) during the trough season as well.
~H81
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4219 times:
Quoting FL787 (Reply 17): Quoting Quickmover (Reply 14):
FL is probably trimming back ATL-MSP because I believe several MKE-MSP flights are coming online.
Are you talking additional MKE-MSP flights or just the three now? FL is routing a lot of east coast stuff through MKE from MSP. I've seen a lot of large groups flying to the east coast through MKE.
I thought there was going to be 5 or so, but maybe I'm wrong.
West coast to Florida could also be routed through MKE.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4137 times:
There is a pretty significant Delta trans-Atlantic suspension come October, presumably seasonal. I tried to start a thread about it, but it was deleted since it was a double-topic (I was supposed to dig up a 10 day old thread in which it was never posted and post it there. How stupid of me.).
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25 SESGDL: And you somehow can't post it in this thread? Jeremy
26 Panam330: Wow. Seriously, an E190? Never thought I'd see that on JFK-SLC.
27 SANFan: Interesting. More 190s showing up in the west... B6JFK', could you check and see if the SLC-SAN route is still a go on the new schedule? (Last time I
28 Enilria: I've heard Comair, but I don't watch the operators very closely. I'm sure it is seriously weight restricted Westbound, but maybe with Winter loads it
29 MSYPI7185: This is new service as BGI is opertated out of CLT daily. MD
30 Cubsrule: DL has other p2p weekly CUN routes, like BNA, RDU, and BDL. If they keep those, why drop IND?
31 CIDflyer: does anyone know when DL will finalize their winter schedule, or approx when does that come out?
32 Brandonfs88: I know the inbound MSP-MQT was always full, but the outbound was maybe 15-20 people. It worked out good for the late night west coast flights, but it
33 Enilria: I can believe that. Few people realize how difficult it is to achieve roundtrip connections with a single roundtrip in a market.
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It had been on CRJ and CR9s before it was axed.
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