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Which Airliner Has Been The Biggest Money-Spinner?  
User currently offlineFaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1548 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Like the question says, in USD terms, what airliner has sold the most? I wonder whether the greater sales volume of 737/A320's has offset their smaller ticket price compared to the 747 or 767/A330.

Any estimates (in constant USD terms) on this somewhere?

Faro


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User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

If you are asking which aircraft type has generated the most revenue for airlines flying it, then the answer would be the 737 by far. Nothing else even close, due to the long time in service and the number of aircraft in service.

User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Without the actual sales or list price for each year this is a bit tricky but by using the current list price and order totals for Boeing:

737: 8217 orders x $77M (mid price for a 738) = $632,709M (!!)
747: 1523 orders x $250M (mid price for a 744) = $380,759M
767: 1036 orders x $152M (mid price for a 763ER) = $157,472M
777: 1106 orders x $272M (mid price for a 773ER) = $300,832M

While there are many many variables that determine the exact price paid (737 list prices vary from $51M-$87M for example, I just used the most current model ordered today and the comparison over time may not be valid) and the fact that 737 and 747 orders go back to the 60's when the price paid would have been much lower it is probable that the 737 is still the outright winner.


User currently offlineFaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3734 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
f you are asking which aircraft type has generated the most revenue for airlines flying it, then the answer would be the 737 by far. Nothing else even close, due to the long time in service and the number of aircraft in service.

I was in fact referring to unit sales to airlines, not revenue generated in line service. But that is also a very interesting question; thing is, the numbers are skewed in favour of older designs with long-active service lives.

Faro



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

I think what's being asked is which airliner has made the most for it's producer :

My guess (and it's only a guess!) is that it's either the A320 family or the 744. The A32X is a cash cow as it's now sold over 5000 copies without a major "NG" programme - there's been incremental changes but not massive change. The 744 has sold far more than it was initially emvisaged so the development costs will of been amoztised a very long time ago on a very high-price ticket item.

The 737 on the otherhand is in its 3 huge revision which are effectively new planes as diffrerant as the A306 and A332


User currently offlineFaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3703 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
I think what's being asked is which airliner has made the most for it's producer :

My guess (and it's only a guess!) is that it's either the A320 family or the 744. The A32X is a cash cow as it's now sold over 5000 copies without a major "NG" programme - there's been incremental changes but not massive change. The 744 has sold far more than it was initially emvisaged so the development costs will of been amoztised a very long time ago on a very high-price ticket item.

The 737 on the otherhand is in its 3 huge revision which are effectively new planes as diffrerant as the A306 and A332

This is coming from a different angle than pure sales revenues but nonetheless interesting; in terms of gross profit, the 737 family is indeed at a disadvantage due to the NG program costs, not to mention the previous series 300-500 costs as well.

Faro



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Moneymaker for the manufacturer or the airlines? For the latter, I´m quite sure it must be the 737 only because of the vastly higher number of frames built and the time its being operated compared to any other airliner.

Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 2):
737: 8217 orders x $77M (mid price for a 738) = $632,709M (!!)
747: 1523 orders x $250M (mid price for a 744) = $380,759M
767: 1036 orders x $152M (mid price for a 763ER) = $157,472M
777: 1106 orders x $272M (mid price for a 773ER) = $300,832M

Well, we dont know how much profit a manufacturer makes with one frame. And surely one cant compare a dollar Boeing made with a 747 in 1970 to one earned in 2010.

I think the question which made the most money for its builder cannot be answered by someone outside a manufacturers (ok, it can only be Boeing) bookkeeping department. The 747 enjoyed a monopoly for a long time, meaning that percentage-wise I think Boeing made much more with a 747 than with a 737. I´d say its a close race between the 737 and the 747, though I´d be surprised if not the 737 comes out on top due to the sheer numbers.


User currently offlineFaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3613 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
I think the question which made the most money for its builder cannot be answered by someone outside a manufacturers (ok, it can only be Boeing) bookkeeping department.

Absolutely. That's why I mentioned "estimate" in my header; what is needed are back-of-the-envelope estimates which I believe should be sufficiently accurate nonetheless.

The difficult part is estimating an average, constant-USD value for each aircraft from entry into service until today. With aircraft delivered starting in the late 1960's like the 737 & 747, the constant USD co-efficient applied to the historic sticker price can be very significant, perhaps resulting in add-ons of 200% to 300%.

Faro



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3268 times:

If we interpret the question as which airliner has generated the most revenues in total for all airlines flying the type, I would like to offer honorable mention to the DC-3 (along with its C-47, RD-4, etc. counterparts), which have been flying passengers (including joy riders), freight, and anything else one could stuff inside or strap to the belly (true!) in every corner of the globe since the first flight of the DST back in 1935. And many are still earning their keep; the only true "NG" version has been the Basler BT-65. May the old lady fly on.


The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25356 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3217 times:



Quoting Faro (Thread starter):
Like the question says, in USD terms, what airliner has sold the most?



Quoting Fanofjets (Reply 8):
If we interpret the question as which airliner has generated the most revenues in total for all airlines flying the type,

That is NOT the question the original poster was asking. He confirmed that in in Reply 3. I thought the original question was clear.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3184 times:

The 767 had higher margins than the 747 much to the suprise of people outside of Boeing.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

How does the Tupolev 154 rank then?

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