Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1854 posts, RR: 12 Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16336 times:
As this comes as no surprise to many of us, JetAmerica has officially canceled all flights.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6013 posts, RR: 53 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16321 times:
Not the surprise of the century. Silly idea to begin with.
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16262 times:
Nws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16108 times:
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2812 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16084 times:
News out of Lansing, Michigan has more information not included in the press release.
Courtesy: Lansing State Journal
JetAmerica Suspends Service
"A spokesman said the carrier won’t take off until at least October ....................."
"..............we have decided to suspend our flights in order to refocus on different markets. “
Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15999 times:
Another fly by night want to be has bite the dust. .
They did not have the money to put up. They could not come up with money to pay Sun Country a few months ago. SO what else is new..............
Ridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 832 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15923 times:
Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 4): Depends on how seriously they took JetAmerica. I doubt it will hurt them much though, they are too smart to have banked on JetAmerica being a success.
I would agree with you there, as Im sure Miami Air would have had their own "reservations" about whether it would work or not. This was very much the same with the "Western Airlines" that attempted do something like this as well with Xtra Airways, although they did operate some flights.
Many of these public charter operations go this way, with the exception of Morris Air who started out this way and later became a regular airline. They however didn't try to operate from unused out of the way airports. They opted to run flights between 2 city pairs that had high airfares.
Think of all the passengers stuck around the country...oh, wait they never flew...EVER.
Just like Sun America and whatever it was called before that. Now that they have besmirched another brand it seems time for another name change. How about TWA?
Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15752 times:
IIRC Sun America was the parent company, of Jet America or what other name they used. Where do these nuts come from????
DiegoDangers From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15656 times:
And this is why the Op. Manager at EWR that was originally going to take them passed them on. Heard WFS was going to get them this morning, guess not. haha.
NorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2307 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15656 times:
Toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15514 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
Think of all the passengers stuck around the country...oh, wait they never flew...EVER.
Pax have been showing up at TOL this week lookig to check in for their cancelled JA flight. They cliamed to never have been notified of the original delay.
They'll need to redeploy the aircraft, I would imagine there was some kind of penalty built into the contract. Miami Air will probably get some kind of small payment for terminating the contract. It would take a CH11 filing to get out of it.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 11545 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15509 times:
Well we all knew that this was coming. Anet 1, Loser wannabe airline 0.
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 5): "A spokesman said the carrier won’t take off until at least October ....................."
Funny how they don't specify a year.
By the way, is this also a common occurence for start-ups? Because if I were starting an airline I would a) make sure to get slots and b) not start by angering customers who already bought tickets.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15389 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14): Because if I were starting an airline I would a) make sure to get slots
They had a business model in which they thought the need for slots at EWR didn't apply to them. The feds had a different idea for them. Looks like the feds won this round. They'll be back, hopefully at other airports..... I never understood a business model that trained you customers to pay as little as possible.....
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 11545 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15348 times:
Quoting Toltommy (Reply 15): They had a business model in which they thought the need for slots at EWR didn't apply to them.
I'm pretty sure that the only business model where you don't need slots to go to EWR is if you use a bus.
Quoting Toltommy (Reply 15): I never understood a business model that trained you customers to pay as little as possible.....
Yeah, they love their loss leader fares. And then they can listen to us complain when they run out of grant money and realize that they might actually have to turn a profit themselves by raising fares to a sustainable level.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6013 posts, RR: 53 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15345 times:
Miami Air will have no problems with reallocating those airplanes. They run a high quality operation and their a/c are always in high demand.
A bad idea is a bad idea. This was a bad idea. I doubt they'll be back. If they do, I hope their investors are prepared to lose a lot of money.
Fghtngsiouxatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 151 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14452 times:
Their new theme song should be "No Surprise" by Chris Daughtry
And while I understand South Bend is close to Michigan, do they really have to refer to it is "Michiana" on their homepage. Some people who aren't from around that area might think we've added the 51th state.
Quoting Toltommy (Reply 15):
They had a business model in which they thought the need for slots at EWR didn't apply to them.
I'm pretty sure that the only business model where you don't need slots to go to EWR is if you use a bus.
I wouldn't be suprised if PANYNJ even regulates busses and taxis into the airport... many airports only let specific taxis, for example, pick up rides at airports on specific days to "spread the love".
Lincoln
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Toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13898 times:
Interesting to see no changes to the JetAmerica website. Looks like you can still book, and there's no splash page to tell those who have booked that the flights are no go, and how they'll be getting refunds.
There's been a lot of taxpayer money wasted on the set up of this cluster here in TOL, and there's gonna be more since they've decided to pay booking fees at the preferred travel agency of the airport and pay for 5 days of parking (parking is contracted out here). I'd love to know how much this experiment cost, and if anyone will be held accountable for this mess.
Ridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 832 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13786 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 19): wouldn't be suprised if PANYNJ even regulates busses and taxis into the airport... many airports only let specific taxis, for example, pick up rides at airports on specific days to "spread the love".
Its interesting in SLC, you cannot flag a cab down on the street. ALL cabs are dispatched through a dispatch owned by the city.
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1854 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13308 times:
Quoting Toltommy (Reply 20): There's been a lot of taxpayer money wasted on the set up of this cluster here in TOL, and there's gonna be more since they've decided to pay booking fees at the preferred travel agency of the airport and pay for 5 days of parking (parking is contracted out here). I'd love to know how much this experiment cost, and if anyone will be held accountable for this mess.
Yep, just like the the same CF with Direct Air and the cancellation of MYR. More wasted money by the Port going after dreams. I was actually starting to see billboards and more advertising pop up around town. Was happy about that.
No one will be held accountable - just look at the condition of the place and the record for the past 5 years. In fact, I bet the consultant will get a bonus because they will say they have more ammo to go to other airlines...blah blah blah. Would be nice if they actually hired an Airports Director....
They should do Toledo a favor and stay away - at least TMA got off of the ground (who's baby was that also???).
2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 5794 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12776 times:
I am quite suprised JetAmerica has quit it's booking, not!
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by." John Masefield Sea-Fever
Pilotntrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12318 times:
You know what, why don't you people grow up!!!!! You may not like the idea or the concept of Jet America, but a lot of hard working, very knowledgable people are suffering from this. Why don't you bozos do some research on the harrasment they have been getting from certain carriers based in Newark or the political storm they encountered with the FAA. You don't like the idea or concept so be it, but lay off the typical A.NET arm chair QB responses.
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25 Toltommy: Hate to say it, but I'm not surprised.... Until the Olympics came to town, you could hardly buy a drink in Utah....
26 TwinOtter4Ever: Pretty sure JetAmerica was founded by the same guy as SkyBus....Only one 737-800...Gotta wonder why people would still invest with as wheeler dealer
27 Toltommy: oooooohhhhhhhhhh........ BRING IT ON Really? Who is suffering? Name them. In fact, tell us your connection to this thing, would ya? Are you a JA empl
28 BMI727: It's a bad concept. Why should I like it? I don't doubt their work ethic, but the red flags were going up a while ago. Nothing about JetAmerica has e
29 ThegreatRDU: That's what we do here....harassment? If you claim that you will serve a city but you don't even have slots at the airport but go ahead and sell tick
30 Jkudall: That law was changed several years ago. You can indeed hail a cab in SLC.
31 Enilria: Winner by knock-out and still undefeated...the FAA and DOT. They win all rounds. I wonder if the EWR thing is simply an excuse for shutting down. The
32 JA: LOL. The FAA says that if you want to land at EWR once, you need a discretionary slot. If you want to land at the same time regularly, you need a reg
33 SHUPirate1: What carriers are based in Newark? The only one I can think of would be CasperAir, and I don't think the Friendly Ghost is starting his own airline..
34 BMI727: I'm pretty sure that CO has some pull with administrators in Newark, being the biggest carrier in NYC and all. No that's the beauty of it. People wil
35 Wedgetail737: I kind of wished the new Jet America kept the spirit of the old Jet America...although probably with the 737-800's and not the Maddogs. Because the le
36 Nkops: Why don't you just tell us, and save us the time!! The only carrier based in EWR is CO, and I really don't see CO giving a crap about JA..... but I c
37 Flyinryan99: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...cle?AID=/20090718/NEWS16/907180371 from the article: I don't think any of this money was from the grant however
38 Readytotaxi: From this side of the pond we have not heard of them. Can someone give a BRIEF history what is all about? TIA
39 JA: So since they never flew, the airport eats it unless someone else steps in.
40 TOLtommy: TOL was never a hub. A hub implies connections. JetAmerica was simply point to point. TOL was to be a base or focus city, similar to how Ryanair does
41 FWAERJ: FWA, just 80 or so miles down US 24, has the opposite way of thinking. They treat their existing carriers well, and welcome new carriers, too. I've t
42 JA: I don't know. Maybe a more sane business plan gets it done. I can tell you that the skepticism was already pegged on high well before JetAmerica surf
43 KarlB737: The way I see it is to establish just one route and get that one right. Get all the kinks out of that flight until it works smooth. If there was somet
44 F9fan: Well, this is the biggest surprise since the sun rose this morning. Weren't they talking about doing TOL-LAN/SBN? Seriously? If that is true, did they
45 AirframeAS: Correction: A.net 2; Loser Wannabe airline 0. (Don't forget SkyBus.....) I don't know if we should count Indy Air in this tally or not....
46 BMI727: Like slots? I don't think that they need to worry about that anymore. You're right. I called the SkyBus and ExpressJet failures too, but I wasn't on
47 FlyPNS1: If that was their business plan, they are even dumber than advertised. There's no way the SCASD grant would have provided enough funds to keep TOL-EW
48 FWAERJ: As you can see from the video in the link below, even the news director of WTVG-TV Toledo (the ABC owned-and-operated station there) got burnt by JetA
49 Ouboy79: Umm No. TOL-EWR, MSP and MLB were the only routes out of there. They were looking at other destinations such as MDW...but never SBN. EWR was the only
50 Ouboy79: It would have gone over as well as the intra-Indiana joke of airline service the state funded. Unfortunately this isn't the 80s anymore where you hav
51 Toltommy: No, they were not. Those 3 cities were never connected by this "airline". That's why they never were planning or selling it. I'm so glad they were sp
52 JoseKMLB: Don't forget LAN that was going to be one of our routes from MLB. EWR-MLB TOL-MLB LAN-MLB
53 Ouboy79: I know. The response was focused on the markets that were brought up, I wasn't ignoring you folks up there.
54 JA: The funny thing is that Skybus's failure put certain airports on the map (PGD). I think the airports involved might be able to use JetAmerica's failur
55 JetBlueGuy2006: That is sorta what I was thinking. Start a regional airline based in Michigan (like LAN)...codeshare with DL or another established carrier, and have
56 KcrwFlyer: fringes of DTW's catchment = city of Toledo. From what I've heard, good luck getting them to support something local... And keep in mind that those p
57 JA: You don't need a codeshare. Pro-rate flying is not cheap. An unnamed EAS carrier indicated in their proposal that access to a certain network carrier
58 FlyPNS1: Do you think DL would allow you to offer SkyMiles on a carrier that is potentially undermining its own business? Even if DL allowed it, how much do y
59 Toltommy: Thats 200 seats each way per day. JetAmerica couldn't fill 180 on one plane at cut rate fares. Might be a shuttle, but that shuttle is still 2 hours
60 JA: Let's spin that question around: Would DL like to make $0.022 per mile for doing nothing (in essence)? How much does DL make in profit on a unit basi
61 JA: Allegedly, this is the knock on TOL. I am not local, so I don't know what advertising strategies they are using. However, I will say that JetAmerica'
62 Humberside: Direct Air seem to be keeping going
63 Toltommy: It didn't result in as much interest as they thought. The Port spent $119k on promotion and advertising. Radio ads, TV sponsorships, plus the amount
64 FWAERJ: And as mentioned before, some of those ads that tthe Port of Toledo bought were in the FWA media market, hoping to draw passengers from that area and
65 TOLtommy: Hey FWAERJ - What kind of ads got run in the FWA market? TV? Radio? Print? Billboards?
66 FWAERJ: JetAmerica ran a lot of TV ads and a few online ads in the FWA market for their TOL-EWR/MLB/MSP vaporflights, and there might have been a newspaper a
67 FWAERJ: Oh, and here's a screenshot of JetAmerica advertising on fortwayne.com in late June. I knew that this would be a.net gold someday, so I had to keep it
68 TOLtommy: They had billboards here. I know they are still on a promo with Fox36 here, were running cheezy radio ads on the news/talk station. Not sure if they r
70 Toltommy: Well since that's what Miami Air was going to fly, we'll have to give JA props for getting it right! Even if the plane probably never would have been
71 JA: Michael Boyd is brutal except to TOL, whom he chooses to avoid abusing publicly. His JetAmerica eulogy: http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm His
72 Ouboy79: First thing you should learn when getting into business, don't publicly attack potential or current clients. TOL's 100K mistake is obviously connecte
73 JA: It depends on how you attack them. How do you think Joe Biden became VP? Boyd makes a name for himself with his candor. JetAmerica was a disaster fro
74 Flyinryan99: Because others voted for him According to this article it's going to be around $150,000. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...cle?AID=/20090721/NEW
75 Toltommy: So the Port wanted reimbursed from the SCASD grant? I'll have to admit that is a surprise. I figured the grant could only be used to subsidize the los
76 Enilria: If the business plan was simply to chase subsidy money then why were they flying stuff like TOL-MSP? Who was paying for that? Little about the whole
77 JA: $100,000 could be used for marketing. The other $400,000 is a revenue guarantee. The SCASD was paying for that. How? You "cross subsidize".
78 Toltommy: Not for TOL-MSP. The SCASD could be used for service to NYC only. So they knew then at $200k, they'd only see half back, and only if it flew. It's am
79 Flyinryan99: At least the SCASD grant will not be wasted then. I'd rather see them give the money back instead of flying it fruitlessly which will not garner any p
80 FWAERJ: Sorry to bring a ghost out of the grave, but according to the Greensboro News-Record, it looks like JetAmerica was "in talks" with GSO about starting
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