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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12334 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18068 times:
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Welcome to the 60th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #59 New Zealand Aviation Thread #59 (by 777ER Jun 28 2009 in Civil Aviation)#1 , we learnt and discussed:

- Ansett New Zealands 1997 timetable
- Pacific Blue about to announce more domestic services?
- The now usual JQ problems
- NZ reduces its PVG services
- PacBlue gets 180 ETOPS granted
- A very sleek B763 with winglets arrived back
- HLZ and Tauranga join forces to help DJs HLZ services
- Possible VA and NZ services if NZ buys VA

I would just like to finish this summary of thread #59 with this photo (Thanks to TG992 for providing the photo)

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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17967 times:

The ZK-ZQ_ series of registrations reserved earlier this year appear to be for QF's JetConnect 737-800's due in service from Oct 09. I had wondered if DJ reserved these as they followed the VH-ZP_ Embraer 190 regos.

PA515


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17939 times:



Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
I would just like to finish this summary of thread #59 with this photo

IMHO, QF will have a bigger slice of the New Zealand domestic market if they pull JQ out and put their 73H in. I was searching on the CX website, departing WLG to HKG, they used to offer QF domestic flights as part of the package. Now, NZ's domestic flights are offered by CX to connect to CX's AKL-HKG services, as well as NZ's TT connecting flights to CX's AUS-HKG services.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17826 times:
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Virgin on the ridiculous - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2606960/Virgin-on-the-ridiculous/

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17798 times:

If AirNZ are even half interested in any sort of equity in VirginBlue, we hope they will have time to do a full due diligence, with ability to walk away if it does not look good. If VirginBlue can find any airline in the world who might be interested - perhaps they could look at Lufthansa or Aeroflot or Republic, as those airlines seem to have been in a buying mood recently.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17700 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Virgin on the ridiculous

I love this quote

Quote:
Delta is the major player in the Skyways Team alliance



User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17676 times:
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Are any NZ staff able to say what wine is served in Y+?

User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17611 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 1):
The ZK-ZQ_ series of registrations reserved earlier this year appear to be for QF's JetConnect 737-800's due in service from Oct 09. I had wondered if DJ reserved these as they followed the VH-ZP_ Embraer 190 regos.

PA515

Yes that's correct. ZQA and ZQB due into service in September, with ZQC due in October.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZA320 From New Zealand, joined May 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17595 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 5):
I love this quote

This is my favorite from the article

Quote:
Like virtually any other airline, Virgin could do with extra capital, in its case to stem losses being suffered on its Atlantic routes being flown by its new international carrier V Australia, launched this year.




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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17568 times:



Quoting NZA320 (Reply 8):

Well I was watching something on BBC World yesterday and they couldn't spell Qantas either.. You'd expect better from the leading news channels! At least they do fly over some ocean..

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 7):
Yes that's correct. ZQA and ZQB due into service in September, with ZQC due in October.

Are these transfers from the QF mainstream domestic which are going in for a retrofit before being registered?



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17531 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 7):
Yes that's correct. ZQA and ZQB due into service in September, with ZQC due in October.

Are these transfers from the QF mainstream domestic which are going in for a retrofit before being registered?

I'm certain I read somewhere the B738s are arriving direct from Boeing


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17519 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):

That in itself would definitely be a change! Why can't they go back to operating JQ's flights with brand new 738s too..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17474 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Virgin on the ridiculous

It is really sad that uninformed scaremongering based on the Ansett debacle is preventing Air New Zealand from exploring a very viable takeover.

Ansett was a high-cost basket-case with an antique fleet.

Virgin Blue and V Australia have modern fleets, a very healthy 32% market share in Australia and a very low cost base. Moreover, their key international expansion markets (West Coast USA and London via Hong Kong) are a very close fit. Best of all, they are about as cheap an acquisition as they'll ever be.

I'd love to see Air New Zealand take control of Virgin Blue, while leaving it 100% autonomous in the Australian market.


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17244 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
Are these transfers from the QF mainstream domestic which are going in for a retrofit before being registered?



Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
I'm certain I read somewhere the B738s are arriving direct from Boeing

I'm with 777ER, pretty sure they are new builds from Boeing. ZQC is due November, not October. Reading error on my part.

NZ1


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16976 times:



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Aviation Week released last week the results of its Top-Performing Companies (TPC) study of the global airline industry.

Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa and Malaysia Airlines were found as the top three major legacy carriers for 2009 whilst Air Arabia topped the low-cost/niche carrier category.

Other carriers included in the top ten major legacy airlines list included Turk Hava Yollari AO at fourth place, followed by Qantas Airways, LAN Airlines S.A., Air New Zealand Ltd., Aer Lingus Group PLC, Iberia Lineas Aereas de Espana S.A. and Finnair Oyj respectively.
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http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=94887&nav=130



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16734 times:
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Search launched as plane disappears - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2660...earch-launched-as-plane-disappears

Man charged after stones throwen at Helicopter - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-after-stones-thrown-at-helicopter

Visitor arrivals down 5% - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...2613078/Visitor-arrivals-down-5pc/


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16683 times:

New Zealand and Canada have signed off on a new open skies treaty that grants carriers from both countries 5th Freedom rights. I wonder what kind of possibilities we may see? Could we see AC operate YVR-AKL-SYD or YVR-AKL-MEL and NZ AKL-YVR-LHR or AKL-YVR-FRA.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16638 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 16):

The latter seem more like what NZ have been planning. I'm not sure if AC would want to compete against NZ on the AKL-YVR but you never know.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16624 times:

According to Air Transport World .."fair use "quote

Rex Regional Express sold its 1.8% stake in Brisbane-based Virgin Blue. The regional confirmed yesterday to The Australian that its Singaporean investors have "completely exited" from their investment in Blue. Rumors have surrounded Blue for the past three months, with it being linking it to a variety of Middle East airlines and Air New Zealand. Emirates and ANZ have denied interest.


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16541 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 16):
New Zealand and Canada have signed off on a new open skies treaty that grants carriers from both countries 5th Freedom rights. I wonder what kind of possibilities we may see? Could we see AC operate YVR-AKL-SYD or YVR-AKL-MEL and NZ AKL-YVR-LHR or AKL-YVR-FRA.

Perhaps NZ would operate the SYD-LAX-YYZ routh that AC was denied???
Or AKL-HNL-YYZ perhaps???



What?
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16462 times:



Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 19):
Perhaps NZ would operate the SYD-LAX-YYZ routh that AC was denied???
Or AKL-HNL-YYZ perhaps???

Good question,don't know if that's permitted in the new bilateral though.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16434 times:
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Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 19):
Perhaps NZ would operate the SYD-LAX-YYZ routh that AC was denied???
Or AKL-HNL-YYZ perhaps???

doubtful that the Australians would permit it - dont forget the ACCC a few months ago stomped all over plans for greater AC/NZ co-operation ex Australia .
Also , as another poster has already pointed out , I dont think this is within the terms of the new bilateral - at least from the NZ side .



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16333 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 19):
Perhaps NZ would operate the SYD-LAX-YYZ routh that AC was denied???
Or AKL-HNL-YYZ perhaps???



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
doubtful that the Australians would permit it - dont forget the ACCC a few months ago stomped all over plans for greater AC/NZ co-operation ex Australia .
Also , as another poster has already pointed out , I dont think this is within the terms of the new bilateral - at least from the NZ side .

Actually (and John Macilree can refute this) I have previously put forward a very eloquent (he says modestly) way of maximising revenue to and from Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

In the first instance, I'd hub the following services at Honolulu in the near future:

NZ9/10 AKL-HNL-YYZ (763)
NZ XXX SYD-HNL (763)

Air Canada would be a full codeshare partner, and their passengers would probably love to find themselves on an NZ-operated plane from Toronto to Honolulu.

I'd also give serious consideration to the following routes using the 777-200LR options:

SYD-HNL-LHR (77L)
BNE-HNL (788)
AKL-HNL (788)

This is less than 1,000 miles longer than flying Emirates to London, but has the advantage of allowing a third daily to London from Auckland which departs and arrives in the morning instead of at night, allowing much better onward connections at both ends. Passengers are used to taking 24-28 hours between Australia and LHR due to long connection times in Asia, and if this was timed well enough the passenger's trip would be no longer than on EK or SQ.

Honolulu used to be major port for Air NZ when aircraft had shorter legs, and I'd love to see its geographical location be made better use of.

Lastly, I'd have a fourth daily to London, as follows:

NZ 83/84 AKL-YVR (788, daily)
NZ183/184 AKL-MEL-YVR (788, daily)
NZ83/84 YVR-LHR (773, daily)

This would effectively provide one-stop daily services from both Auckland and Melbourne to London via Vancouver.

I'd also add
NZ 131/132 AKL-BNE-LAX (788, five times weekly)

The London services would then be as follows:
NZ1/2 AKL and BNE-LAX-LHR (789, daily)
NZ9/10 AKL and SYD-HNL-LHR (788, four times weekly)
NZ38/39 AKL-HKG-LHR (788, five times weekly)
NZ83/84 AKL and MEL-YVR-LHR (788/773, daily)

This would allow Air NZ to be a major player in the one-stop Australia-UK market as well as its existing markets, because it would have one-stops from AKL, BNE, SYD and MEL to London.

The advantage of this model is that there is insufficient volume in the New Zealand market for multiple dailies to London via four different ports, or for services to Toronto via Honolulu. But Kiwi passengers would benefit from the choice that combining the Australian and New Zealand markets gives, because all of a sudden they would have daily services to Vancouver, Toronto and Honolulu which their own little market couldn't justify alone.

[Edited 2009-07-22 00:14:11]

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16221 times:

Saw the 767 with wingtips at SYD tonight - Looks GREAT!

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16202 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 22):
Actually (and John Macilree can refute this) I have previously put forward a very eloquent (he says modestly) way of maximising revenue to and from Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

I like your thinking , and in a theoretical free market world it would be interesting to see how it panned out ......but I dont think that the Aussies will go for it ( remember that the ACCC already hit AC/NZ over the head with a bloody big hammer when they submitted proposals for co-operation between Australia and Canada - and that was for something far less far-reaching than you are proposing )

There is also the point that the way I read the revised agreement NZ has unlimited rights from New Zealand to Canada and fifth freedom rights beyond - it does not , so far as I can see , grant NZ rights from Australia to Canada even if the ACCC were to do a backflip .

I am , of course , open to correction if I have misinterpreted the new agreement .



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25 Post contains links Macilree : The Canadian news release contains a little more detail as to what is in the new New Zealand-Canada Air Transport Agreement (ATA) that was signed last
26 777ER : Why would the ACCC reject NZ operating SYD-LAX-YYZ as NZ can operate any route from Australia?
27 Kiwiandrew : I did not mean that they would reject operating the route on their own , I meant that they would probably reject NZ operating it in close co-operatio
28 SunriseValley : I would expect this whole issue to be clarified when a new Aus. Canada ATA is negotiated. It is supposed to have been in the "works" for quite some t
29 DavidByrne : The principle is great, but I can't help thinking that HKG is a better hub for East Coast Australia to get to LHR - and other European ports. By all
30 Pilotdude09 : Also to add to your list, i think AKL-PER-LHR would be a good route since alot of expats from NZ and the UK live in Perth and Air NZ could be the fir
31 9252fly : Not much discussion as to how AC may utilize the changes in the bilateral. I still see the possibility of them changing the routing of their non-stop
32 SunriseValley : Not a bad idea ! JFK is a pretty useful cargo point. It has been said that QF run the LAX-JFK sector for the cargo. I believe though that the schedul
33 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ claims collusion - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...ta/2665605/Air-NZ-claims-collusion New hotel planned for Auckland Airport - http://ww
34 Koruman : I would have agreed until recently, but in the last few months it has become very clear that AKL-LAX-LHR is a higher volume and higher yield route th
35 DavidByrne : My query on that is whether that would be covered by the NZ-Canada bilateral. I don't know which of the "freedoms" that would invoke, but it didn't s
36 Post contains links DavidByrne : Seems like DJ may not find it as easy as they had planned to make money TT out of HLZ. Good luck to them, but it's clear that they're disappointed wi
37 Koruman : This would be easily dealt with: the airline is free to fly SYD-HNL or SYD-LAX or any other Australia-USA route it feels like, and that would in theo
38 DavidByrne : OK, that works, yes. I've always shied away from the AKL-HNL-YYZ suggestion because I thought AC might not welcome such flights on "their patch", Sta
39 Axio : If there is a market at all...
40 SunriseValley : CP tried it for years but never made money out of it. The route did not last long after AC absorbed CP. HNL is a popular destination from western Can
41 Kiwiandrew : QF also tried it briefly after CP was acquired by AC . IIRC they operated a 767 3x weekly SYD-HNL-YYZ and 4 x weekly SYD-HNL-YVR . The YYZ service la
42 Vhqpa : I booked a NZ flight from CHC-HKK the other day expecting it to be a Beech 1900D sector but when I went to the seat selection screen to my surprise it
43 NZ107 : NZ are short of B1900Ds and wet lease the J32 from Air National but this single plane operates some of the routes the B1900D usually does (as you can
44 Vhqpa : thanks for clearing that up
45 Koruman : With respect, you guys are TOTALLY missing the point. There is no suggestion that there is a goldmine of passengers waiting to fly Toronto to Honolul
46 KiwiRob : I can't see anyone in NZ wanting to fly to HNL or onwards to LHR via any destination in Australia.
47 SunriseValley : No doubt if the same transiting arrangements as for AKL-LHR at LAX could be put in place in HNL. Before 9/11 it was simply sufficient to have a secur
48 DavidByrne : You assume that US stopovers are higher-yielding on flights to LHR than HKG stopovers (your explanation for the downgrade of NZ's AKL-HKG-LHR service
49 Post contains links 777ER : Tainui to build airport hotel - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...9066/Tainui-to-build-airport-hotel
50 HLZCPH : TV3 news last night had an article about an Air NZ A320 being damaged by a cargo loader yesterday as it was preparing for it's flight to Melbourne. It
51 NZ1 : Aircraft was OJH. The "damage", was bugger all, just a wing to body fairing that was replaced overnight. The aircraft left CHC and flew a normal serv
52 Post contains links NZ107 : I've finally finished my recent TR series on NZ/JQ/DJ domestic (2x trips AKL-WLG-AKL) according to how I experienced it. Feel free to comment! NZ Dome
53 HLZCPH : Thanks, I should've known it was probably not a big deal. TV3 must have been short on news that night!
54 Post contains links 777ER : Qantas flight looses cabin pressure while departing Auckland - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2674...ckland-after-losing-cabin-pressure Air NZ squeez
55 NZ107 : Jetconnect need those 738s fast by the sound of things! One thing to have gotten rid of the 733s.. The 734s sound like something else! On an aside -
56 777ER : The B733/4s are being replaced 1 by 1 with B738s. Hopefully the B738s will arrive in time before its too late to salvage whats left of QFs smashed re
57 NZ107 : I've lost track of how many 733/4s they have remaining.. Are you telling me they've still got 733s in service? JTP, JTQ, JTR and JTS are the 734s I a
58 CHCalfonzo : JNN and JND have been flying regularly, mainly out of WLG I believe. JNB and JNC are also still listed on the CAA register but I haven't seen them ar
59 777ER : According to QF web-site they still have 3x B733s in service. AKL-BNE, AKL-MEL and WLG-MEL has B733s
60 Post contains images 777ER : I saw -JNO today and it can be seen from the road that runs past the Antartic Centre, USAF, RNZAF and ANZES hangers. It certainly looks like its in a
61 NZ107 : Right, thanks. I think JNB is sitting next to the Airworks hangar but I am lead to believe that it's sitting there as a spare at the moment as it men
62 DJ738 : For anyone who is interested, today, July 25, would have been Ansett New Zealand's 22nd birthday. First flight: July 25 1987.
63 CHCalfonzo : Jetconnects schedule requires 6 aircraft, so 4 734 + 2 733 and 1 spare 733. For the upcoming week their schedule shows 734/733 - AKL-BNE-AKL-BNE-AKL
64 Post contains images CHCalfonzo : Incidently, today was ZK-FRE "FREddies" last day flying for NZ apparently. It landed at CHC around 14.30 and was over at No.1 hangar later on in the
65 777ER : I noticed it being parked up close to the fence beside the road outside ANZES just before 3pm. I remember NZ1 saying a while back that FRE was having
66 RichardJF : Buying DJ would be a disasterous idea for NZ but acqiring 50% of PB and tipping NZ's non Auckland Trans Tasman routes into the venture is the way to g
67 CHCalfonzo : Im sure I just saw it parked at gate 18, might be in service for another day or two.
68 RichardJF : I've pointed out far a more lucrative direction for NZ. Everything comes down to what the electorate will accept. Which makes it very interesting.
69 777ER : Would be nice to see the 'holidays' scheme applied to some other aircraft like a Q300, A320, B763 etc
70 777ER : The QF aircraft involved in yesterdays loss of cabin pressure while operating AKL-BNE was a B734
71 ZK-NBT : ZK-JTS Its going to an operator in Brazil. Yes I think that is correct, I happened to be at AKL when someone said it was its last flight, then a whil
72 Post contains links 777ER : Big hopes for new plane alert system - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2675...g-hopes-for-new-plane-alert-system
73 Knid : Is this the one the Erceg family is working on?
74 AerorobNZ : JTS screwed up all the schedules the day before the incident because it had issues as well... well in actual fact that's the jetconnect reality for m
75 Post contains links Mariner : Virgin Blue CEO Godfrey is to leave: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,28124,25840349-23349,00.html It all sounds very amicable (of course)
76 ANstar : He has been hinting for the last 6 months he will be retiring. I seriously doubt he will be departing before their 10th birthday next year in August.
77 Mariner : Yes, I understand that, and yes, he has said he will stay until they find a replacement. I still find the timing - interesting - because having start
78 Xiaotung : IMPROVED TRANSIT FOR TRAVEL VIA SHANGHAI TO UK/EUROPE Air New Zealand is pleased to announce effective immediately passengers travelling via Shanghai
79 NZ1 : They still fly 3 x 733's. These are being retired/sold over the next few months. 2 aircraft in Sept/Oct and the last in November. Being replaced with
80 NZ107 : Thanks again, NZ1! Eek, they're going to have an inconsistent service for the next few years by the look of things.. I'm sure there will be some pass
81 Xiaotung : I stand corrected. My source in China told me these 4 airlines are the only ones at PVG who are using the thru check-in facility at the moment. Pax c
82 NZ1 : Not my quote Xiaotung. NZ1
83 Xiaotung : Sorry, don't know how that happened.
84 Cchan : It is better than being consistently late, let's hope.
85 PA515 : Webjet will have acquired 17 733's since Nov 07. Line Numbers as below. 1462 (23830) -33A PR-WJK 1538 (23922) -3YO PR-WJD 1728 (24452) -322 PR-WJG 18
86 RichardJF : Just as I suspected others think HA's got good prospects too. Could easily see them in YVR and AKL with a few more 767. I can see them operating more
87 Koruman : Not so long ago TN operated SYD-PPT-JFK with the new 343. It didn't work.
88 Danfearn77 : I hope you dont mind me dropping this question in. Which airport is the closest to the Franz Josef and Fox glaciers? And do they have services to AKL
89 NZ107 : The closest airports to the area: Hokitika ~100km (operated by B1900D from CHC), Wanaka ~160km (operated by B1900D from CHC). Queenstown, about 200km
90 Danfearn77 : Thats a fantastic help thanks very much! And extremely speedy response too!
91 NZ107 : No probs! I just made an edit to that - ZQN is slightly further away but there are many many more services into ZQN. 733s and AT7s mainly fly into he
92 Danfearn77 : No honestly thats a great help. Basically im now going to fly AKL-ZQN and do a few days down there, put my life in danger etc! Then drive up to the g
93 NZ107 : Better not be.. I want a hot and sunny Christmas, thank you! The week of Christmas is the busiest time of the year at Auckland airport. That week is
94 Danfearn77 : Nick, great help thanks very much. I wont go clogging up this thread with any more of my questions but its greatly appreciated and has fully answered
95 DavidByrne : Just noticed that NZ's Mon/Fri WSZ-CHC nonstop services that are just starting up seem to cease as of 18 December. Can't think why they wouldn't have
96 DavidByrne : Seems that the Pacific Islands thread has been archived: I note that FJ is going to operate one of its two HNL services via APW, restoring the link th
97 ETA Unknown : TN SYD-PPT-JFK didn't work because TN was trying to predominantly fill the flight with JFK-PPT pax- a route that is just too far for quick getaway. Ku
98 DavidByrne : HA also has feed from no fewer than ten other western cities into HNL. Right now, it's like a hub with only a couple of flights on the "far" side - S
99 767ER : The connections ex SYD at HNL are just terrible for onward connections. I looked at flying HA between SYD and LAX but the connections at HNL didn't m
100 Alangirvan : There was an explanation about the HA schedules in a recent issue of Australian Aviation - they chose to have lunch time departures from HNL to SYD, w
101 DavidByrne : Hadn't looked at that. My point was more hypothetical - if HA wanted to, it could time flights so that they were able to be a signficant player in th
102 NZ107 : Don't worry about clogging this thread up - you're probably not likely to get a reply if you start a thread in the polls and preferences forum. And y
103 NZ1 : Theres a new schedule due to be published soon showing permanent flights. Not at work at the moment so I can't look it up, but it was emailed to me y
104 Post contains links 777ER : Weak economy hits Wellington Airport - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...ak-economy-hits-Wellington-Airport
105 PA515 : Regarding CHC-OAM. The changes permit the HKK-CHC 1900D to do the Mon & Fri CHC-WSZ-CHC flts while the OAM-CHC J32 does HKK-CHC in lieu of the 1900D
106 NZ107 : In that case then, have/did NZ thought/think about WLG-OAM? Sounds as though that route would have potential... To the extent of somewhat filling a 1
107 HLZCPH : Yes, we experienced day one of this last Tuesday morning, when we arrived in PVG on LX from ZRH. Every counter agent, police check, customs offical h
108 RichardJF : exactly what I think. As it stands all the competition is coming to SYD-LAX but its logical to see HA in MEL which is much more relevant to NZ.
109 NZ747 : Anyone know (NZ1...) whats the latest with ZK-NBS at Roswell? Has the parting out and scrapping started or is it still in one piece? Pics? Cheers
110 RichardJF : Compared to busy hub airports airlines are awful businesses.
111 NZ1 : No idea sorry. I'll see what I can find out. NZ1
112 ETA Unknown : MEL-HNL has been the kiss of death for every airline that has operated the route- don't hold your breath on HA! Jetstar couldn't make it work, but the
113 Mariner : To my knowledge, no US airline has ever tried it. The point is not MEL-HNL - it is MEL-US. mariner
114 777ER : CO tried MEL-HNL a decade ago
115 Mariner : Interesting, I was not aware of that. A decade ago, I was traveling quite regularly between the US and Oz/NZ, especially to Melbourne. I'm very surpr
116 PA515 : Reply 105 should have read: One of the reasons for the early morning OAM-CHC (not CHC-OAM) I don't know if they considered OAM-WLG. The NZ Press Rele
117 NZ107 : With all that J32 stuff aside, is the fleet utilisation of the B1900D so high that it doesn't warrant a new flight between WLG-OAM? ie if the J32 is
118 Post contains links Mariner : I've done some checking and the best I can find is that they were flying MEL-HNL from about 1983, but I can't find anything later than 1991. These ma
119 777ER : I suppose you could say CO were flying the MEL-HNL route during the 'Golden years'
120 Nzrich : I think the reason it goes to CHC and not WLG is that it can then service 3 cities with a quick transit stop and connect to nearly everywhere else on
121 AerorobNZ : CO was a DC10-30 & maybe even the 741/742. I can't recall the exact details but I think that there was something along the lines of HNL-AKL-MEL-HNL or
122 Mariner : That's true. And since Continental flew it for so long (apparently with a small hiatus) it adds to the idea that it might be a route for Hawaiian to
123 Post contains links BNE : Friday 31 July 2009: Low fare airline Pacific Blue today announced it was adding a new destination to its New Zealand domestic network, with weekend f
124 Post contains links FlyPacificBlue : Yes indeed, such exciting news! Here's the press release http://www.flypacificblue.com/AboutU.../NewsandPressReleases/P_009379.htm
125 RichardJF : Airports are complete monopolies and yet the govt allows them to be privately owned suggesting they may allow NZ to own at least part of an airport. C
126 PA515 : The 18 1900D's are fully utilised in the mornings and evenings and recently the late morning WLG-ROT-WLG Q300 flight was replaced with a 1900D. There
127 DavidByrne : Interesting little snippet. Effectively, NZ's morning WAG-WLG flight actually operates TUO-WAG-WLG on Mondays (and the reverse on Friday evenings). E
128 TG992 : Does the nonstop WRE-WLG still operate? A couple of years ago it was daily with a BEH. Spending 15 minutes on those things freaks me out enough, let
129 Alangirvan : When CO first started into MEL, they had various routings, including one that was LAX-HNL-MEL-SYD and return. The flights that went AKL-MEL were much
130 DavidByrne : Back in the 1980s, I used to use CO regularly between LGW and AKL or SYD and return - maybe three times a year (because it was CHEAP!). My favourite
131 777ER : NZ2191 departs WRE at 6.35am and arrives at 8.10am
132 NZ107 : Is their GPS technology (the one that is similar to RNP) going to be ready in time? Can't wait for it to go daily and beyond. Wow, thanks for that su
133 Alangirvan : The CO 747s were interesting as well. In late 1983 Qantas did a trade in of 4 747-200s, when they ordered 3 747-300s and 6 767-200ERs. Boeing sold th
134 TG992 : I've HEARD a rumour that CO had to base their own engineer in AKL when the DC10 was operating, because Air NZ engineers refused to sign them off becau
135 PA515 : TUO-WAG is more than just a positioning flight as the early morning TUO-WLG and evening WLG-TUO flights have been dropped. There is a Friday evening
136 Koruman : I wholeheartedly endorse what has been written in this thread about the renewed potential of Honolulu as a hub, but I see this as an opportunity for A
137 Vfw614 : Just wondering what airports other than AKL,WLG and CHC have seen domestic jet services by Air New Zealand / NAC in the past? I guess ZQW and ROT have
138 NZ107 : I think you were meaning ZQN - Queenstown. No, it wasn't upgraded for a long time to the condition it's in now. I think quite a lot of airports handl
139 DavidByrne : Yes, I think that the complete list would be HLZ, ROT, PMR, DUD, ZQN and IVC. In the back of my mind, I wonder whether NPE might have had 732 service
140 Alangirvan : Only trouble is that the authorities at HNL hardly go out of their way to make transit passengers feel welcome. This played a big part in AC's decisi
141 RichardJF : Both banking and fonterra are examples of where the govt allows things that theoretically shouldn't be allowed so there are precedents for NZ. It's li
142 Koruman : I'd like to take this opportunity to pass on my congratulations to Sir Ralph Norris! I had nothing but admiration for him during his tenure as Air NZ
143 RichardJF : It's likely those things can be changed pretty quickly should it suit HA. For NZ the reality is DL/V Australia and HA will further marginalise NZ's l
144 Koruman : Richard, I have to dispute this assertion. Air New Zealand makes significant profits even now on its long-haul passenger services to London (via Los
145 PA515 : I don't agree with 'fatally unviable' but certainly adversely affected. To soften the blow retime the PER flights to connect to/from North America. A
146 Cchan : There is probably not much need to codeshare with SA. SA markets AKL-PER-JNB (NZ/SA aircrafts) on its website along with AKL-SYD-JNB (QF metal on SYD
147 RichardJF : Koruman Under my scenario NZ would have 77W based in AKL to serve AKL-YVR, LAX.... SFO. 4 787 based in Southern Europe. 4 787 based at WLG to serve HN
148 SunriseValley : This assumes major capital expenditures on runways at WLG ? Right ? I can understand the HND/HKG service via New Zealand but through WLG ? Your scena
149 RichardJF : Sunrise Wellington city council gets cash for it's WIAL shareholding which it would dearly love to do if it was politically possible. WCC and Wellingt
150 RichardJF : In this approach NZ and Infratil make a ton of money off retail at the airport and at each attraction. The reason why AIAL makes so much off retail is
151 PA515 : Effective 26 Aug 09 NZ's response to DJ's Mo-Fr AKL 1500-1650 DUD 1735-1915 AKL (and Sun) flight. NZ's DUD 2050-2230 AKL is replaced by Mo-Th DUD 1800
152 777ER : Just read the latest Amail from NZ which announces some new changes for Y+ pax. Y+ pax can now check-in the same allowance as J pax and receive priori
153 CHCalfonzo : What makes you think councils will be able to charge people to drive into the CBD and then funnel the money into what is an extremely risky, outlandi
154 Koruman : Richard, I like Marlborough and I don't much like Rotorua. But, unfortunately, Asian tourists basically only come to see Rotorua and Queenstown. I kn
155 SunriseValley : The problem would be that there is no long range 190 seater on the horizon so far as I know. I understand why you talk of a 787-7 which could be in t
156 SunriseValley : Richard.. To complete the picture, how would you deploy these?
157 Dddale : Does anyone know if there has been any further word on the 737-300 replacement?
158 777ER : I believe London charge vehicles to enter the CBD. Wellington City Council/Wellington Regional Council are actually planning on doing this also as a
159 Post contains links Alangirvan : http://peanuts.aero/low_cost_airline...ent&task=view&id=29187&newsId=2385 this is from the peanuts newsletter - it is a release about Jetstar using SM
160 RichardJF : NZ can take its Japanese / Chinese tourists and drop them off wherever it suits them completely changing New Zealands tourism landscape. 2 flights per
161 RichardJF : When you have a visit to a farm or vineyard or what ever attraction you can have souvenir shops attached to each venue. So people are spending at each
162 NZ1 : Options are still being evaluated with a decision due by the board around the end of this year/early next year. NZ1
163 Post contains links NZ107 : I think there's a typo in your post.. Something from the The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...n-text-boarding-20090805-e99d.html
164 Alangirvan : Typo apparently made by Bruce Buchanan. "Jetstar has already introduced the ability for passengers to not only Web-Check for their flight three days i
165 Aerokiwi : Does anyone have an idea on what advance booking are like for NZ's AKL-Japan servcies in October? there was talk of potential cuts and all figures out
166 RichardJF : You'd probably have a purpose built international terminal south of the existing NZ pier at Wellington.
167 767er : I was talking to an NZ FSM 2 months ago and he said loads to Japan were 'tragic'. Remember NZ code share with JAL who pay for a certain number of sea
168 TG992 : Demand has been rebounding a bit and as a result the NZ-Japan schedules for this year have been 'set'. No further cuts according to route planning dep
169 RichardJF : NZ needs latin american routes to do any good to Asia.
170 Aerokiwi : Interesting. I ask because fares for the route are obscenely high. $2,100 for a return AKL-TYO in October is absolutely ridiculous (this is a 10 hour
171 Koruman : Well, I'd bought a ticket to KIX for the week after next and suddenly it's re-routed via NRT. It looks like KIX is now the third failed Japanese rout
172 SunriseValley : But a Visa free transfer at AKL would be attractive for many Asians and South Americans. I don't believe they would get this in the U.S. Timewise it
173 QF45 : I am interested to know why Air NZ has given up on this market in its own right. Was it simply not a money making region? Was it due to SQ, TG having
174 TG992 : NZ to fly ROT - SYD from 12 December.
175 DavidByrne : I think that the real "Asian" market from New Zealand was always in reality a transit market to Europe, rather than an Asian terminator market. Carri
176 DJ738 : I find this strange and surprising. Considering NZ conceded they were unable to make HLZ - trans tasman work, I can't see why they'd think ROT will b
177 DavidByrne : And where did that come from . . . ? Right out of left field in my view - was there any hint whatsoever? The NZ booking engine shows SYD-ROT NZ978 09
178 DavidByrne : Actually, when I think about NZ operating ROT-SYD, it may not be such a silly idea. There are some 200,000-plus Australian visitors to ROT per year, s
179 Aerokiwi : Oddly, I believe NZ doesn't even codeshare with these airlines. You can't even book to singapore through the Air NZ website.
180 Mariner : I think it is a pretty good idea. It may be a better idea than HLZ-SYD. But I wish they had a few A319's in the fleet for routes like this. mariner
181 QF45 : I like this idea a lot whether it's commercially viable I guess thats another debate. Are we spoilt for choice in regards to flights to the region wh
182 DavidByrne : I think it is a better idea than HLZ-SYD, in that there's a market of 4 million to tap for a SYD-ROT connection instead of a market of around 400,000
183 Mariner : I'm really not familiar with the casm of the E190. I know that JetBlue has said it has a higher CASM than the A320, and I assume that would apply to
184 Pewpew320 : Or AKL - MNL - KIX? Perhaps that'd boost the dismal loads to flights to Japan? however, IIRC JAL books seats on NZ services to Japan so a stopover in
185 Kiwiandrew : indeed it has - short answer , yield , yield , yield - there is not much traffic between New Zealand and the Phillipines ( somebody provided the stat
186 TG992 : Apparently yesterday's A380 EK SYD-AKL service had 89 pax on board. Ouch. By NZ estimates the empty seats Emirates has flown between Australia and New
187 NZ107 : Interesting move I must say. I really wonder if those business seats will sell consistently. I also wonder how much it'd cost someone (I'd presume RO
188 ETA Unknown : MNL is very thingy these days about beyond traffic rights in order to protect PAL.
189 Post contains links 777ER : How to hell are NZ going to make this work if they couldn't make HLZ work. ROT is only 1 hour by car. IMHO I'm viewing this as a way to tell DJ to ge
190 Kiwiandrew : I think DavidByrne made a very good point ( see below ) SYD-ROT is aimed at inbound while HLZ-SYD was aimed at outbound - very different markets . I
191 Post contains links Mariner : As do others: http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times.../Sydney-Rotorua-flights-taking-off "Mr Wilson said the move, which would cash in on Rotorua's co
192 NZ107 : IMO NZ should be aiming to get more international connections through SYD for such routes to work. If they could link up with TG and possibly other a
193 Mariner : I agree completely. At some point, the issue of feed in Australia has to be addressed, either through code share or their own operations. Since the g
194 Nzrich : Personally i can see ROT performing well its a popular destination that is not an hours drive away from AKL .. That was HLZ's big drawback and it will
195 777ER : Yes I agree ROT would be fantastic, but HLZ AND ROT both serving the Waikato is a bad move (unless both DJ and NZ were operating the routes with E190
196 Alangirvan : There are several reasons why ROT might do better for NZ than HLZ for DJ. Timing of flights - the flights are nicely timed for people from other centr
197 QF45 : I assume on days of operation for the ROT flights customs and MAF teams would come down from Auckland?
198 SunriseValley : Perhaps from HLZ ?
199 777ER : From the looks of the timings of NZs new flight it would be eeasier for MAF and Customs to come from HLZ after seeing off and before DJs flights
200 DavidByrne : I don't think it was a practical option then, because of runway length constraints at ROT. I believe that extensions have just been completed, litera
201 Post contains links DavidByrne : Interesting little snippet from the Rotorua Daily Post of 8 May 2006: The whole article: http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/lo...posed-to-runway-extens
202 NZ107 : And also good in the fact that it won't take too many numbers away from AKL either. In terms of what? Are you thinking oversupply? They offer differe
203 777ER : Yes I know ROT serves a different market as I've already mentioned. DJs timing doesn't work for many Waikato-Bay of Plenty residents and DJ will suff
204 Post contains links NZ107 : But they'll still need feed from other places in Australia/Asia. That's where DJ has a tiny bit of an advantage - they can get feeds in from anywhere
205 ANstar : Which would be bad for the regional centres of both Hamilton and Rotorua. I wonder how much more hate their would be for NZ driving out competition a
206 SunriseValley : NZ cannot be all things to all people. I am sure they know that but the populace that only buys when there is a fire sale price does not. No carrier
207 777ER : I guess NZ could say is that they were simply trying 2 see if ROT can handle TT routes and they couldn't sustain routes like HLZ couldn't sustrain NZ
208 DavidByrne : I think that we should watch carefully to see what both DJ and NZ do before coming to conclusions on the HLZ/ROT competition. As I said many replies a
209 HLZCPH : I don't think a lot of us here "hate Air New Zealand". DJ 's flight timings are similar to what we had with AirNZ/SJ. Starting ROT is a "knee jerk" r
210 Post contains links DavidByrne : Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 209): Starting ROT is a "knee jerk" reaction to DJ starting at HLZ. I absolutely disagree - and if it was, it would be an extrem
211 Post contains links QF175 : 1. Jetconnect's first 737-800, ZK-ZQA is due for delivery in the coming weeks and will make its debut on Auckland - Brisbane on 01SEP (will operate AK
212 ZKOJH : Air NZ extra Norfolk Is flight in Oct 09 As per GDS timetable display on 03AUG09, Air New Zealand is operating 2nd weekly flight on the Aucklnad - Nor
213 DavidByrne : I was in Palmerston North last week, and my taxi driver (always a good source of the local scuttlebutt) told me that PMR was very much hoping to be t
214 Alangirvan : This must be a chance for Oamaru and Gore to become international gateways
215 DJ738 : Don't forget Kaikoura's grass strip. Then their locals won't have to travel to Christchurch for those early morning departures to Australia.
216 DavidByrne : Remember REALDEAL and "her" promises of imminent "big news" on the TT front for IVC?
217 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ Strikes Back At Pacific Blue 15357 flights in the month.. Wow.
218 CHCalfonzo : Kaikoura has a 10 x 700m sealed runway, maybe a once monthly King Air via Kaitaia and Lord Howe Island? =) Won't be seeing Jetstar reporting their OT
219 NZ107 : Been like that a few times when I've flicked over to the AKL website. Guess they'll be OFFERING a lot of $50 vouchers.. I wonder how many have gone t
220 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #61 is here New Zealand Aviation Thread #61 (by 777ER Aug 10 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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