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When Will SQ Retire Their 747s?  
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10992 times:

We're planning to go to the Philippines next year from JFK, and I am interested going on SQ. But the bringdown is I dont like their 747 product. So when will SQ retire their 747s and what wiil be the replacement.


It's a cultural thing.
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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

At the moment the plan is to retire all the remaining B744's in the SQ fleet by the end of 2009.
I haven't seen any firm timetable with regards exact dates, but given the drop in air travel and the lack of need to replace aircraft for aircraft - I would assume the end of October when the Winter timetable (Southern Hemisphere summer timetable) goes into effect.

At the moment the B777 is replacing the B744 on the routes that don't need the A380 capacity, and given the lack of JFK being mentioned anywhere around these forums for the SQ product - I'd guess the B777 will replace the current B744 on that route.

A few people within SQ who post on these forums may add further details - but if your planning on traveling in 2010 with SQ - it won't be on a B744!

Pilot21

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[Edited 2009-07-18 10:06:44]


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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Definitely gone by the end of FY09/10 ending on 31 March 2010 but they will most likely be withdrawn before that.

User currently offlineFilAmAirlines From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10868 times:

I think SQ uses 744s on most of their North American routes (sans the all J class routes, which is an Airbus 340-500 and IIRC, SFO-ICN-SIN). Why do you dislike the 744 product of SQ? I personally want to fly SQ to the Philippines. I've flow CX to MNL and they're wonderful. However, I've always wanted to experience the acclaimed great service of SQ.


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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10795 times:



Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 3):
Why do you dislike the 744 product of SQ?

I dont really like the size of the PTVs on economy class in SQ 747s, I prefer those on its 777s and A380s.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10783 times:

When is SQ planning to change the 744 coming to JFK?

User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

I know exactly where you're coming from, the 744 is seriously dated now in Y and the experience on the 77W and A380 is far superior.

User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10634 times:



Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 6):
the 744 is seriously dated

I agree, the tvs are too small and the seats are bad compared to the newer seats.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10630 times:



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
it won't be on a B744!

Yes! I've been on the 77W many times but SQ has a superior product in their 77W!



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10602 times:



Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
But the bringdown is I dont like their 747 product. So when will SQ retire their 747s and what wiil be the replacement.

This is probably the first time I encountered anyone asking when will the B747 retire, and say good riddance to them! Big grin Just about everyone else asked the same question because they are all planning to take the last few flights for pure nostalgia!



It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10502 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 9):

True, but I can see his point. The newer product with new ptv and 1.5" wider seat would make a big difference in Y.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10461 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 9):
asking when will the B747 retire

Well, personally I love the 747. But SQ's product is really outdated. J and F class are excellent but Y is another story. Although you get the same SQ service, the product is really old. SQ's Y product in the 77W is nice, its newer and more inviting.

BTW, What airline is the best airline to choose?? I'm going to Manila. So far, CI is the cheapest but again they have an outdated 744 product.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10432 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 9):
This is probably the first time I encountered anyone asking when will the B747 retire, and say good riddance to them!  Just about everyone else asked the same question because they are all planning to take the last few flights for pure nostalgia!

I have always felt that way, the 744 is beautiful, but for Y class travelling pax, they are terrible!

I had bad experiences with CX on the 744's, and lots of my family who flies SQ says their 744 products are the worst compared to all of their other a/c

Nitin



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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10355 times:



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 12):
had bad experiences with CX on the 744's

the new Y class product or the old one?



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

Don't the 772ER have the same product as the 744, and are there any retirement plans for them as well?


757/777-A340/A380, Love them.
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10311 times:



Quoting Basefly (Reply 14):
Don't the 772ER have the same product as the 744

No, the 772 has the old seats in Y and J, with the small tvs. The 744 has the new product in all classes. BTW, Cathay has 772 not 772ER.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 13):
and are there any retirement plans for them as well?

Yes, according to wikipedia they will be phased out. My guess would be that they will be retired after CX's A330 orders will be in service to replace them.



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

disregard my last reply, I thought you were talking about CX.

Quoting Basefly (Reply 14):
Don't the 772ER have the same product as the 744

No, the 772ER has a different product in both Y and J



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10253 times:



Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 16):
disregard my last reply, I thought you were talking about CX.

I could see why  Smile

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 16):
No, the 772ER has a different product in both Y and J

I always thought the Spacebeds in 744 J was the same as those in the 772ER?

And what would replace the 772ER, As far as i know it has no F, and the 77W has, and there does not (especially these days) seem to be a market out of places like CPH for an F product.



757/777-A340/A380, Love them.
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10224 times:



Quoting Basefly (Reply 17):
always thought the Spacebeds in 744 J was the same as those in the 772ER?

Some of SQ's 772ER are fitted with spacebeds but most of them are fitted with the regional J class. Sorry I didn't mention this before...



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10120 times:
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The SQ 744's have an older F and J class, not the Suites the A380 and J class on the A380 and tne 77W's. The 77W are replacing many 744's in the SQ network.

User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Does anyone knows, what will be SQ's next city for the A380?


It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9968 times:
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Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 20):
Does anyone knows, what will be SQ's next city for the A380?

Well it flies to HKG and NRT already, to Sydney and Melbourne (soon)too. LHR & CDG are also seeing it so, America awaits. SQ has 7 or 8 A380 now, the next destinations have to be FRA and JFK or SFO. SFO was rumored to be among the first cities in the spring of 2008 but those plans never happened and SQ1/2 is seeing the 77W with the new J seats.


User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9815 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 21):
the next destinations have to be FRA and JFK or SFO

Isn't JFK have low loads on JFK-FRA-SIN route?



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

I thought they are leaving in 2011/2012? Read on the news that they still have 2 years to go.

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

Current SQ routes:

9? 747-400s (9 according to SQ's site)
SIN-NRT-LAX (2 aircraft)
SIN-FRA-JFK (3 aircraft)
SIN-MEL (1 aircraft)
SIN-SYD (1 aircraft)

8 A380 +11
SIN-LHR (2 aircraft)
SIN-SYD (1 aircraft)
SIN-NRT (1 aircraft)
SIN-LHR (2 aircraft)
SIN-CDG (2 aircraft)

19 777-300ER
SIN-HKG-SFO
SIN-ICN-SFO
SIN-MEL
SIN-SYD
SIN-SYD
SIN-AKL
SIN-HKG (4x weekly)
SIN-PEK
SIN-BOM
SIN-DEL
SIN-ZRH
SIN-ZRH
SIN-FRA
SIN-LHR
SIN-MXP-BCN
SIN-DME-IAH (4x weekly)

15 777-200ER (replacement 787/A350, will stay in the fleet for now)

8 A330-300 +11 (replacing 777-200ERs currently used on medium haul)

31 777-200ER (medium haul, being replaced by A330-300s)

12 777-300 (11? being refitting with 77W style interiors. Can someone explain why only 11 and not all 12 are being refitted?)

My predictions for refitted 777-300 destinations (all current 77W routes):

SIN-MEL
SIN-SYD
SIN-SYD
SIN-AKL
SIN-HKG (4x weekly)
SIN-PEK
SIN-BOM
SIN-DEL

My predictions for remaining A380 routes:
SIN-NRT-LAX
SIN-FRA-JFK? (if not, then 3 planes need to be on some other route, and I can't think of another. Zurich maybe?)
SIN-MEL
SIN-SYD


25 Nicholaschee : Not anymore. Only 7 are being refurbished now. Nope. None are 77W routes. SQ231/232 SIN-SYD (744->73A) SQ219/220 SIN-SYD (744->73A) SQ454/453 SIN-DXB
26 American 767 : The passenger 744's will be retired by next year, but I strongly believe that the freighter 744's will continue to fly for several more years. Has SQ
27 N104UA : If you are planing on flying in J you could always take the A345 EWR-SIN and then to MNL and you will not be on a 744
28 JetBlue777 : Nah, I'm not flying on J. I'm 14 and I dont think my mom is going to spend $20,000 for the whole family! Flying on J and F is my dream, I gotta get a
29 MSPNWA : It will be strange to think of SQ and not envision a passenger 747. It's iconic. I always find it interesting when I see a picture of one of the many
30 Max Q : A great shame, nothing replaces the Queen of the skies or ever will, regardless of the 'size of the ptv's' unbelievable...
31 Post contains links Xtra1 : Slightly off topic...and this may have been posted before. There is an interesting documentary abut the 19 hour, all J class, SQ flight, non-stop, SIN
32 Afterburner : Believe it. The queen has to give up her throne. Most aviation enthusiasts. including myself, love Boeing 747. When I was a child, I was very happy w
33 Babybus : I think this honourable title was already taken by Concorde. If the 744 is a queen it is well past time to abdicate before it dies on the job. SQ has
34 Basefly : Well SQ might be getting rid of them, but lets not forget the 748.... The buyers will be flying them for many years to come.
35 Na : So true. The A380 is better for eco-pax, but the 744 is not worse than a 77W at least. I hope that SQ will replace the 744 on the FRA route with A380
36 Afterburner : Depends on which airline. With SQ, economy class on 77W is way better than on 744.
37 LeftWing : being phased out as fast as possible...lots of dark blue... blanked out 744 tails visible at Changi ...
38 The777Man : Any idea what they will fly on the SIN-NRT-LAX route, 77W or 380 ? The777Man
39 PresRDC : Yes, these a/c will continue with fly SIA Cargo indefinately.
40 The Coachman : Incorrect. SQ233/234 SIN-SYD vv - B777-300ER per the SQ timetable.
41 Nicholaschee : No. SQ233/234 remains as 77W. No chance in eqpt. Only these flights will see a change in eqpt. SQ231/232 SIN-SYD (744->73A) SQ219/220 SIN-SYD (744->7
42 LAXintl : I'd suspect the 777, as I have not heard a peep about SQ speaking to LAWA about the A380. LAWA currently expects KE to be the next carrier with the A
43 JetBlue777 : I can see your point, the 77W is very loud.
44 Planetime : Quite interesting. Seems like SQ has no intention of bringing the 380 to US. Seems like their priority is OZ and Europe with the 380.
45 Afterburner : What's the different between 773 and 73A? Is it the seat configuration?
46 Nicholaschee : Yes. The 73A is the refurbished 773 of which 7 examples will be introduced progressively over the next 5 months. There are plans under way for the re
47 Afterburner : What about the IFE in 73A?
48 The Coachman : You said that no SYD routes were 77W routes. That is incorrect.
49 Nicholaschee : Refer to reply #24 again. The initial batch of 73As are NOT replacing any of the 77Ws at the moment.
50 Lightsaber : While its sad to see the queen of the skies retired, the economics say its past due. Question, does the 748I have any more interior width? Seriously,
51 413X3 : boy how spoiled we all are now, the 744 as dated. Can't people find anything else to do than play with the IFE?
52 CXB77L : No, it does not. Both the 744 and the 748I has a 6.1 metre cabin width. I agree that SQ's dated Y product in their 744s makes their experience far le
53 Flood : perhaps, but thanks nonetheless - a great vid!
54 The Coachman : I see your reading, however, I believe the poster was unfortunately ambiguous. I read it another way.
55 EBGflyer : I'd suggest going on EK via Dubai. I've met a few americans who prefer that routing and it's only 1 stop.
56 Kappel : Indeed, I have the same feeling with KL. Thankfully they will keep the 744's for a few years to come, but it will be a great shame when they retire t
57 SW733 : I hear it all the time about UA and their 747's to Asia and Australia... Not really....when you are on a 15 hour flight, most people would rather hav
58 JetBlue777 : I was right next to the engine on an EY flight, I believe it was 18A. Anyway, although it was loud I had a great view. The 767 is loud but not as lou
59 Viscount724 : You're flying almost 1/3 further (over 2000 nm) via DXB. It's much shorter via the Pacific on carriers like JL via NRT, KE or OZ via ICN, or CX via H
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