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US-Brazil Traffic Stats (pax/cargo) Jan/09  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4583 times:
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In a different format, i believe more complete:

Per Load Factor:
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DL GIG-ATL 91.4%
DL ATL-GIG 89.6%
JJ MIA-GIG 87.1%
AA MIA-GIG 87.0%
JJ MCO-GRU 87.0%
DL ATL-GRU 85.9%
JL JFK-GRU 84.8%
CO IAH-GRU-GIG 83.5% (***)
JJ SSA-MIA 83.4%
KE LAX-GRU 82.6%
DL GRU-ATL 82.04%
DL JFK-GRU 82.0%
AA MIA-GRU 81.9%
CO EWR-GRU 81.2%
JJ JFK-GRU 81.1%
CO GIG-GRU-IAH 80.6% (**)
AA GRU-DFW 80.5%
CO IAH-GIG 80.0%
JJ JFK-GIG 79.9%
CO GIG-IAH 79.5%
DL JFK-GRU 79.3%
JJ GRU-JFK 79.2%
JJ GIG-JFK 79.1%
JJ GRU-MCO 78.9%
AA JFK-GRU-GIG 78.8% (*)
AA GIG-MIA 78.6%
AA CNF-MIA 77.6%
JJ GIG-MIA 76.2%
CO GRU-EWR 75.0%
UA ORD-GRU 74.1%
AA DFW-GRU 73.9%
UA GRU-ORD 71.4%
AA GRU-JFK 70.7%
AA GIG-JFK 70.29%
AA REC-MIA 70.26%
UA IAD-GRU 69.3%
UA IAD-GIG 67.7%
JJ MIA-SSA 66.7%
UA GRU-IAD 66.1%
AA GRU-MIA 65.5%
AA JFK-GIG 65.1%
UA GIG-IAD 64.3%
AA MIA-CNF 62.7%
AA MIA-SSA 62.3%
JL GRU-JFK 61.7%
DL FOR-ATL 60.8%
DL ATL-REC 57.2%
KE GRU-LAX 57.0%
JJ MIA-MAO 54.7%
JJ MAO-MIA 51.5%
DL ATL-MAO 36.2%
DL MAO-ATL 34.4%

Charter

GL MAO-MIA 94.2%
GL MIA-MAO 85.5%
X9 MIA-MAO 58.9%
X9 MAO-MIA 53.2%

(*) AA JFK-GRU-GIG: 862 pax to GIG, 5147 to GRU. (see city pairs real numbers)
(**) CO GRU-GIG-IAH: 4407 pax from GRU, 1686 from GIG
(***) CO IAH-GRU-GIG: 4753 pax to GRU, 1544 to GIG

Pax Transported - TOP 35 O&D
=========================

1- AA MIA-GRU .... 22.747
2- AA GRU-MIA ..... 18.600
3- JJ JFK-GRU ....... 10.513
4- JJ GRU-JFK....... 10.266
5- AA MIA-GIG...... 10.093
6- AA GIG-MIA...... 9.124
7- DL ATL-GRU ......8.980
8- DL GRU-ATL...... 8.721
9- DL GIG-ATL ..... 6.824
10- DL ATL-GIG ...6.359
11- AA GRU-DFW ... 6.141
12- JJ MIA-GRU ... 6.070
13- JJ MCO-GRU.... 5.743
14- AA DFW-GRU...5.637
15- JJ GRU-MIA .... 5.543
16- DL JFK-GRU... 5.490
17- JJ MIA-GIG ... 5.354
18- UA IAD-GRU ... 5.242
19- JJ GRU-MCO .... 5.211
20- AA JFK-GRU ... 5.147
21- DL GRU-JFK ... 4.967
22- UA GRU-IAD ... 4.890
23- CO IAH-GRU.... 4.753
23- JJ GIG-MIA..... 4.689
24- CO GRU-IAH... 4.407
25- CO EWR-GRU ... 4.339
26- CO GIG-IAH.... 4.253
27- UA ORD-GRU... 4.170
28- UA GRU-ORD.... 4.151
29- CO GRU-EWR... 4.009
30- AA GRU-JFK....3.972
31- CO IAH-GIG... 3.939
32- AA GIG-JFK ... 3.883
33- UA IAD-GIG ....3.865
34- UA GIG-IAD.... 3.634
35- JJ MIA-MAO ......3.367

Top 20 Cargo Markets - In Total Cargo (Pax operators only)
============================================

1- JJ GRU-MIA... 1.237t
2- AA MIA-GRU...578t
3- JJ MIA-GRU.... 541t
4- AA GRU-MIA... 519t
5- JJ GRU-JFK.... 513t
6- AA DFW-GRU... 461t
7- AA GIG-MIA.... 414t
8- AA MIA-GIG.....389t
9- UA ORD-GRU....380t
10- CO IAH-GIG......372t
11- UA GRU-IAD.....366t
12- AA GRU-JFK....365t
13- AA GRU-DFW...349t
14- UA GIG-IAD.....343t
15- JJ JFK-GRU......332t
16- UA IAD-GRU.....313t
17- DL GRU-ATL.....244t
18- DL GIG-ATL......241t
19- DL ATL-GRU....227t
20- UA IAD-GIG.... 182t


Flights operated (Non Stop/One Stop)
==============================

1- GRU-MIA / MIA-GRU AA - 28/0
2- GRU-JFK / JFK-GRU JJ - 14/0
3- GRU-MIA / MIA-GRU JJ - 13/1
4- GIG-MIA / MIA-GIG AA - 12/0
5- GRU-ATL / ATL-GRU - 10/0
6- # 7/0
7- ATL-MAO - 6
8- ATL-REC-FOR - 4
9- LAX-GRU-LAX, JFK-GIG-JFK (AA/JJ) - 4
10- JL JFK-GRU-JFK - 3

Cargo per flight ( Top 15)
======================

1- GRU-MIA - JJ - 3.2t
2- DFW-GRU - AA - 2.2t
3- ORD-GRU - UA - 1.81t
4- IAH-GIG - CO - 1.77t
5- GRU-IAD - UA - 1.743t
6- GRU-JFK - AA - 1.73t
7- GRU-DFW - AA - 1.66t
8- GIG-IAD - UA - 1.63t
9- IAD-GRU - UA - 1.49t
10- MIA-GRU - JJ - 1.39t
11- GRU-JFK - JJ - 1.32t
12- GIG-MIA - AA - 1.15t
13- GIG-ATL - DL - 1.15t
14- MIA-GIG - AA - 1.08t
15- MIA-CNF - AA - 1.00t

Worst cargo performers (less than 50t):
==============================

JJ
MIA-MAO 12t (daily)
MCO-GRU 19t (daily)
JFK-GIG 21t (4x weekly)


AA
SSA-MIA 27t (daily)
MIA-REC 41t (daily)
CNF-MIA 49t (4x weekly)

DL
ATL-MAO 425kg (6x weekly)
MAO-ATL 12t (6x weekly)
ATL-FOR 837kg (4x weekly)
ATL-REC 239kg (4x weekly)
FOR-ATL 7t (4x weekly)
REC-ATL 204kg (4x weekly)

KE
GRU-LAX 42t (4x weekly)
LAX-GRU 2t (4x weekly)

JAL
GRU-JFK 40t (3x weekly)
JFK-GRU 17t (3x weekly)

TAG information
========================

Route - Nr on Tag

KE GRU-LAX
GRU-LAX - 1440 pax
GRU-ICN - 633 pax
LAX-GRU - 1625 pax
ICN-GRU - 1873 pax

JAL - NRT-JFK-GRU
GRU-JFK - 808 pax
GRU-NRT - 1867 pax
JFK-GRU - 934 pax
NRT-GRU -2554 pax

JJ MIA-SSA-GRU
MIA-SSA - 423 pax
MIA-GRU - 175 pax
SSA-MIA - 406 pax
GRU-MIA -291 pax


AA MIA-REC-SSA
MIA-REC 1982 pax
MIA-SSA 2114 pax
REC-MIA 2395 pax
SSA-MIA 2105 pax

DL ATL-REC-FOR
ATL-FOR 1180 pax
ATL-REC 607 pax
FOR-ATL 1249 pax
REC-ATL 613 pax

CO IAH-GIG/GRU
IAH-GIG 3939 pax
IAH-GRU 4753 pax
GIG-IAH 4253 pax
GRU-IAH 4407 pax

AA JFK-GRU/GIG
JFK-GRU 5147 pax
JFK-GIG 3000 pax
GIG-JFK 3883 pax
GRU-JFK 3972 pax


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4568 times:

Excellent loadfactor performance for AA from REC/SSA and CNF. 70%+ after only a month of operation.


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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4543 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Per Load Factor:
==================

DL GIG-ATL 91.4%
DL ATL-GIG 89.6%
JJ MIA-GIG 87.1%
AA MIA-GIG 87.0%

...AA MIA-GRU 81.9%

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Pax Transported - TOP 35 O&D
=========================

1- AA MIA-GRU .... 22.747
2- AA GRU-MIA ..... 18.600
3- JJ JFK-GRU ....... 10.513
4- JJ GRU-JFK....... 10.266
5- AA MIA-GIG...... 10.093
6- AA GIG-MIA...... 9.124
7- DL ATL-GRU ......8.980
8- DL GRU-ATL...... 8.721
9- DL GIG-ATL ..... 6.824
10- DL ATL-GIG ...6.359
11- AA GRU-DFW ... 6.141
12- JJ MIA-GRU ... 6.070
13- JJ MCO-GRU.... 5.743
14- AA DFW-GRU...5.637
15- JJ GRU-MIA .... 5.543
16- DL JFK-GRU... 5.490
17- JJ MIA-GIG ... 5.354

Hey Lipe, thank you for these stats!! Obrigado!


Delta's load factor looks great ATL-GIG. When the economy improves, that route could see additional frequencies by DL or competitor (JJ ?), with loads that high during these times.


AA MIA-GRU is so well established and far ahead, they really command that route for O&D. In better times, there should be additional frequencies there as well, no?


Saludos,


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4530 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 2):
In better times, there should be additional frequencies there as well, no?

AA will operate 23w year-round starting this winter. That's the most AA has ever operated year-round.



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4499 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
AA will operate 23w year-round starting this winter. That's the most AA has ever operated year-round

More power to them! ...especially in these times. I question if this is a temporary result of a stronger economy in Brasil or actual traffic growth.that can be sustained.

Just imagine what would happen if NK entered that route/market! They could garner very good results.


Rgds,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3708 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4398 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
Just imagine what would happen if NK entered that route/market!

At MAO??? I don't think so.


User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4382 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
At MAO??? I don't think so.

that was referring to the MIA-GRU route.


Rgds,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4379 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):

Excellent loadfactor performance for AA from REC/SSA and CNF. 70%+ after only a month of operation

Wait to see July/09 numbers. I expect to be all over 80%.
We can see that JFK-GIG also has been a stellar performer with just less than two months of sales. 80% on JFK-GIG and 70% on GIG-JFK !

Quoting Alianza (Reply 2):
Delta's load factor looks great ATL-GIG. When the economy improves, that route could see additional frequencies by DL or competitor (JJ ?), with loads that high
during these times.

DL unfortunately is not so smart. They should try to create a JFK-GIG, or just one or two daylight ATL-GIG like January 08. I took the daylight GIG-ATL and ATL-GIG once and both were packed. Plus, yields are very good because all airlines charge a premium during January.
The numbers for GIG flights just show how there's space for more services to the airport. They are just the top 4 load factors.

What surprised me was the load on MCO !

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
AA will operate 23w year-round starting this winter. That's the most AA has ever operated year-round.

Don't AA run more than 23x during the previous IATA winter with a seasonal flight from Dec 19 to Jan 31 ?

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
Just imagine what would happen if NK entered that route/market!

At MAO??? I don't think so.

I don't expect them at all in any place! MAO numbers are the worst.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4020 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4365 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
Just imagine what would happen if NK entered that route/market! They could garner very good results.

How are they doing on MIA-LIM?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4359 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 8):
How are they doing on MIA-LIM?

01/2009
FLL-LIM... 58.15%
LIM-FLL... 76.44%
No cargo



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Spirit announces a few weeks ago they will not pursue any flights to northeast Brazil. Spirit, will, however, launch flights to Chiclayo, Peru early next year.


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User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Great info lipeGIG. Thanks for taking the time to compile it.

What struck me was this: Why is United bothering to fly to Brazil at all anymore?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4327 times:
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Quoting Klkla (Reply 11):
Great info lipeGIG. Thanks for taking the time to compile it.

What struck me was this: Why is United bothering to fly to Brazil at all anymore?

My pleasure Kikla.
UA got good cargo business, but their results with passengers are not so good. Their hubs in terms of traffic to South America are not the best, they do not focus to take care of GIG the way the market deserves with a year-round flight (just need to say that up to November there was no JFK-GIG at all, and this market of 6,000 people could be on UA hands more than with any other carrier).
They should give up 7 frequencies in favor of CO and just use the code-share (now UA code-shares with JJ their routes of out JFK and MIA) . CO could establish a very good route with EWR-GIG.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4302 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Cargo per flight ( Top 15)

You might want to double check your cargo figures.

The tonnage per flight does not correlate with total tonnage per route.

For instance you say United had 380 tons for the month

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
9- UA ORD-GRU....380t

If so the daily average cannot be this.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
3- ORD-GRU - UA - 1.81t

Should be more like 380t / 31 days = 12.258t per flight.


The per flight numbers are woefully under stated.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4286 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
You might want to double check your cargo figures.

You're right, i'm calculating again. I have divided all by 30 days while i should divide by the actual number of flights.

1- GRU-MIA - JJ - 21.3t
2- DFW-GRU - AA - 14.87t
3- ORD-GRU - UA - 12.26t
4- IAH-GIG - CO - 12.0t
5- GRU-IAD - UA - 11.81t
6- GRU-JFK - AA - 11.77t
7- GRU-DFW - AA - 11.26t
8- GIG-IAD - UA - 11.06t
9- IAD-GRU - UA - 10.10t
10- MIA-GRU - JJ - 9.33t
11- GRU-JFK - JJ - 8.27t
12- GIG-MIA - AA - 7.81t
13- GIG-ATL - DL - 7.77t
14- MIA-GIG - AA - 7.34t
15- MIA-CNF - AA - 7.00t



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

 bigthumbsup  Looks much better, and realistic for a passenger widebodies.


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7642 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Thanks again for that Lipe! I always enjoy reading your data.

Glad to see DFW-GRU-DFW is still a superstar prefomer for AA in cargo.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4272 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
They should give up 7 frequencies in favor of CO and just use the code-share (now UA code-shares with JJ their routes of out JFK and MIA)

UA cannot hand the frequencies over to CO. If given up, every airline has the right to ask for them, and both AA and DL surely would ask for those unrestricted frequencies.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4231 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Looks much better, and realistic for a passenger widebodies.

You're right, i should be more carefull about the data when looking to 1t per flight. This is in fact terrible !
Good number in my view are over 10t per flight for a route with 80%+ loads. If less than 70% may be 20t.
But you know better than i about cargo.

By the way and off topic, do you got my e-mail from my corporate account ?

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
Thanks again for that Lipe! I always enjoy reading your data.

My pleasure! And you're right, on a per flight basis DFW is on a good position. Not so good as the previous data just because other flights performs better. But January is when GIG is stronger than any other market, with both ways being very busy.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
UA cannot hand the frequencies over to CO. If given up, every airline has the right to ask for them, and both AA and DL surely would ask for those unrestricted frequencies

I know, and that's why i do not expect UA to give up on such frequencies.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3708 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4214 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 6):
that was referring to the MIA-GRU route

How do you expect NK to fly that route?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Spirit announces a few weeks ago they will not pursue any flights to northeast Brazil. Spirit, will, however, launch flights to Chiclayo, Peru early next year.

Do you have a link to that announcement?


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1774 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

I noticed a few things from the numbers:

-DL was a tale of two stories. They did great to GRU and GIG, but very weak to FOR, REC and MAO. It shows that right now the latter thinner routes need to be run from a stronger O/D place than ATL to be successful.

-Even JJ did not do well on MAO to/from MIA. Were they running an A320 in Jan? Anyone know how often were the two charter operators running that same route, and what channels did they sell seats through?

-Although not bad, AA did the worst of the four airlines running JFK-GRU. It shows that they are weaker than DL and CO in getting NYC metro market O/D volume. Not sure if there was anything else contributing to that.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):

What surprised me was the load on MCO !

Not sure what the pricing was in January, but right now (IATA summer) they are asking for 40-80% more in most cases in Y for the non-stop over one-stop fares to MCO. The differential was likely a lot less in the peak season, and the relative strength of the real and Brazilian economy certainly helped vacation bookings made last year.

Thanks for all those stats LipeGiG.

[Edited 2009-07-19 22:30:02]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3708 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4199 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
-Although not bad, AA did the worst of the four airlines running JFK-GRU. It shows that they are weaker than DL and CO in getting NYC metro market O/D volume.

That's because AA created a seasonal nonstop JFK-GIG.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
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Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
DL was a tale of two stories

True, very good on established markets, but FOR,REC and MAO were new markets to where they begin service on mid-Dec 2008. Too new to ask for more. 60% sounds a good number, MAO for sure is very bad.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
Even JJ did not do well on MAO to/from MIA. Were they running an A320 in Jan? Anyone know how often were the two charter operators running that same route, and what channels did they sell seats through?

No, they were using the 763. The problem at MAO in my view, is the schedule.
The fact they are using the 763 that arives from GIG make the need of a very early departure MIA-MAO, and also, the flight arive too late at MIA making many connections, impossible.
By the time they use the A320 is arives in the afternoon and departs early night, good for connections. Now it become a flight good only for O&D MIA.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
Although not bad, AA did the worst of the four airlines

As explained by Coiote, it's because they begin JFK-GIG. Without JFK-GIG they probably would reach 88-90% loads. And probably that's the reason they will not launch the flight this year, one single flight produces good results for both, but single flights, even with limited JFK-GIG service, erodes loads and probably yields.


Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
Not sure what the pricing was in January, but right now (IATA summer) they are asking for 40-80% more in most cases in Y for the non-stop over one-stop fares to MCO. The differential was likely a lot less in the peak season, and the relative strength of the real and Brazilian economy certainly helped vacation bookings made last year.

The fact is TAM rely on travel operators to fill the flights. But at the same time, they use only one plane, so i believe they can deal with lower yields and this in fact protects the yields on flights to MIA (more) and JFK.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
It shows that they are weaker than DL and CO in getting NYC metro market O/D volume.

No, it doesn't. These aren't O&D load factors. For all we know Delta dumped a lot of cheap fares or took a lot of connections from Boston to fill it up, while AA relied on local O&D. We can't conclude anything.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 20):
-Even JJ did not do well on MAO to/from MIA. Were they running an A320 in Jan?

Its a 763. It should be an A320, but they have a parked 763 at MIA all day, so despite weak loads, its better utilization.

[Edited 2009-07-19 22:50:25]


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11440 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4106 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
Its a 763. It should be an A320, but they have a parked 763 at MIA all day, so despite weak loads, its better utilization.

What mostly surprises me is the lack of cargo on this flight on a route that is in operation for more than a year.
MIA-MAO carried 12t and MAO-MIA just 29t. It's less than 1t each way, per flight.

As a side note, in 1 or 2 days of the previous week, TAM used the A332 on MAO-MIA (as well as on GIG-MIA-GIG) because of 763 problems.



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25 Alianza : If their loads to Lima are not so stellar, why open a lesser known route to Peru, if they can't do better to the Lima market, especially in these tim
26 LipeGIG : LIM is a little more competitive. By adding service to a secondary market, they probably will perform better.
27 MAH4546 : There is nothing wrong with those loads. Furthermore, Lima peaks in the summer.
28 Incitatus : For the same period all other US airlines flying to Peru have average load factors above 80%. It seems NK is not doing well.
29 JJ8080 : Thanks for the numbers, Felipe... Very good! Interesting to see that the return flight MIA-CNF was considerably lower, at around 60%. I wonder if DL w
30 OP3000 : Strangely, NK seems to be pricing their LIM flight rather high (at least currently), and in some cases $100+ higher than AA or LA's nonstops from MIA
31 LipeGIG : I believe the fact the flight is not daily, and the demand in January is bigger on Brazil-US, could explain that. Probably in February we shall see t
32 Incitatus : Can you show any evidence of that? I priced MIA-LIM-MIA out Aug 10 return Aug 20. On aa.com it was almost $775. On Spirit out of FLL it was almost $5
33 OP3000 : Try anytime in September, October or November and you will see what I explained. Last minute bookings may be another story, although I just tried Aug
34 MAH4546 : It is surprisingly true. NK is not the price-leader in this market.
35 MAH4546 : United's IAD-GIG non-stop will only operate for one month this year. mid-December through mid-January.
36 C010T3 : US is probably throwing a big party right now.
37 MAH4546 : Indeed, but I am still am not 100% positive US will actually begin flying to GIG come December.
38 LipeGIG : Probably because they believe to run the IAD-GIG will hurt IAD-GRU-GIG. UA focus on South America is very limited, and for sure, the best they can do
39 WorldTraveler : ...because AA is saturating the market with capacity. People here have criticized DL's capacity management yet they clearly are doing what is necessa
40 C010T3 : Yes, a reason they would have, but only AA would have any ammunition if the rumours of DL shelving frequencies turns out to be true.
41 Incitatus : Like I have written in the past, AA became the 800 lb gorilla in Brazil by taking frequencies that airlines gave up in bad times and turning them int
42 MAH4546 : AA is ready to dump more capacity in Brazil, and I suspect they might be the only airline competing for the 2010 frequencies. Spirit already confirme
43 LipeGIG : But, WT, excuse me , but any new route at this time will be just taking other routes demand. I just can't see additional services right now on a regu
44 LipeGIG : Well they need to be consistent. They just allowed the IATA summer to pass with a limited plane. Mostly GIG-ATL flights are fully and they are losing
45 JJ8080 : Yes, sure! Sorry about that... So I'd say we may see AA going for MIA-BSB before DL goes to ATL-BSB... What other markets could AA be considering? BE
46 Rafabozzolla : I think Delta should concentrate on BSB and drop the others. It would allow Delta not only to offer adequate frequency (daily) but BSB route could wor
47 Jetlanta : The problem with your analysis, and much of the analysis we see involving Brazil on a.net, is that for many of you the Brazilian market is the most i
48 JJ8080 : The problem for DL at BSB is feeding it. As you mentioned, there is a considerable amount of non-leisure traffic between BSB and the US, however ther
49 LipeGIG : Jetaltanta, i know very well the size of the Brazilian network for all airlines and that, there's more important markets. I'm not asking for a top eq
50 OP3000 : Good point about fleet allocation. But as for the premise of the first statement, if you carefully look at the arguments on here most posters argue a
51 Rafabozzolla : Of course MIA is the strongest option, and will always be... But tanking into account that Delta does not fly from MIA, I guess their best shot of ma
52 Hardiwv : Thanks for the info, Lipe. Very interesting numbers, especially considering that the top 10 routes per load factors have such as variety of players: D
53 Incitatus : Jetlanta made a very good point. In Brazil the US flights only book up both ways during July. It gets very busy northbound at the end of August, but
54 MaverickM11 : Even if they concentrate on BSB, the instant AA or JJ starts BSBMIA, DL's route will be totally shot. There simply is no market for ATLSecondary Braz
55 LipeGIG : I agree with him and you, and i'm one here that always advocate about the fact the summer is stronger even for Brazil-Europe. January is a good month
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