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How Are AA's New Routes Out Of DFW Doing? (MGM, TL  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Was just curious to see how the new AAEagle routes are doing out of DFW. They started BRO, TLH, and MGM. One other one escapes me, was it ROS? Just curious if anyone knows how they are doing after a month. Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

I think ROW might have been what you meant. I know these codes get confusing...  Confused


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5441 times:
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They started SAF. Santa Fe,NM


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User currently offlineFlight209 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

I'm personally curious about DFW-LCH.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Tallahassee is doing very well. A second daily will be added in two weeks.


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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5345 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 1):
I think ROW might have been what you meant. I know these codes get confusing

ahh yes Roswell was what I was thinking. Thank you for the clarification

Quoting Flight209 (Reply 3):
I'm personally curious about DFW-LCH.

Lake Charles, knew there was another one I was forgettting

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Tallahassee is doing very well. A second daily will be added in two weeks

good to hear, always thought they could do well on that route


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

I was pleased t o see TLH started up- pleased personally, for we have regular family obligations there, and pleased for Tallahassee, which is persistently underserved (in my eyes).

Just in time, AA starts it up, when my wife needed to go there, but the fare was very high. Instead, she ended up flying out on Northwest, whose new service out of DAL made connecting in Memphis a wash (more or less), because of the considerable extra time burden of dealing with DFW.

Of course, the flight home had she, son and me in a Beechcraft Bonanza, which was in all respects a more pleasant affair.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

I do know that SAF is doing very well.


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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

To clarify, the new domestic flights from DFW are SAF, BRO, MGM, LCH, TLH, MHK (MHK doesn't start until August though). As someone pointed out already, both SAF and TLH are doing very well. I don't know about the other 3 cities, but I can say that the loads to LCH haven't been looking great, the loads to MGM have been good, and the loads to BRO are somewhere in between (of course, this is not an indicator of financial success). As for ROW, that was started a while ago and has been doing well. LAX-ROW is getting added in August 4 times weekly to supplement DFW-ROW.

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

They started BRO, do they also fly to HRL?


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 8):
I don't know about the other 3 cities, but I can say that the loads to LCH haven't been looking great, the loads to MGM have been good

I'm not surprised that LCH would be weak for AA; CO is the established carrier in the market and offers a lot more frequency to IAH. BRO will be tough for them for the same reasons, as well as WN's presence up the road at HRL. MGM and TLH were markets that were long served by Delta from DFW; I think AA should have added those cities from DFW soon after Delta closed their DFW hub.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Loads won't tell us much to any six of these markets. They are high-fare, limited competition markets that can do well with low loads.


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4853 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Loads won't tell us much to any six of these markets. They are high-fare, limited competition markets that can do well with low loads.

SAF, however, faces competition with ABQ, especially considering Southwest's ops there. Loads for AA's DFW-SAF flights are looking good in both directions though.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4775 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
I'm not surprised that LCH would be weak for AA; CO is the established carrier in the market and offers a lot more frequency to IAH.

Yes thats true, but CO was also the established in IAH-TLH and they couldnt make it work. Yet, so far so good for AA flying DFW-TLH. I dont think AA is trying to tear away LCH or BRO from CO, but there is definately a market for flights to those cities from DFW. I have no doubt AA can make those work. LCH is off to a slow start, but to my knowledge, its the only one of the new markets that is.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4672 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
SAF, however, faces competition with ABQ, especially considering Southwest's ops there.

To an extent yes, to an extent no.

SAF does compete with ABQ to the extent that, up until now, for the most part, the vast majority of the traffic generated to and from SAF went to ABQ because it was the closest major airport.

However, SAF also generates some of its own traffic that will now no longer go to ABQ at all, and the opportunity now to fly nonstop to SAF will stimulate traffic that previously did not exist. And that is all traffic that Southwest can never capture.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

AA seems to really be successful in the Gulf Coast region from DFW (they have GPT, MOB, PNS, VPS on now TLH). PNS even has had one flight upgraded to CR7. Does anyone think they might consider adding a couple flights to PFN (Panama City FL) to DFW, especially now since with the DL/NW merger there will virtually be no compeition there (I think US srved it for a while to CLT but am thinking that got pulled).

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4626 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
SAF, however, faces competition with ABQ, especially considering Southwest's ops there. Loads for AA's DFW-SAF flights are looking good in both directions though.

But if you look at a tarrif display, the base fares are quite a bit higher from DFW-SAF than from DFW-ABQ.

Even if its hard to believe that its a success, look at what AA is doing with SAF as proof. They are adding a LAX flight and I believe there is a second DFW flight on the way.



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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4599 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
But if you look at a tarrif display, the base fares are quite a bit higher from DFW-SAF than from DFW-ABQ.

Even if its hard to believe that its a success, look at what AA is doing with SAF as proof. They are adding a LAX flight and I believe there is a second DFW flight on the way.

I was looking through some random reservations on this route for various days and there appear to be a unusually high amount of passengers booked on KUP, YUP, and full Y fares on this route (naturally, the KUP and YUP fares are connecting to/from somewhere else through DFW). Granted, I looked at a relatively small sample size, but still, I think that's a really intersting statistic, if true for the larger sample size as well.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 9):
They started BRO, do they also fly to HRL?

Nope.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4398 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 8):
LAX-ROW is getting added in August 4 times weekly to supplement DFW-ROW.

I was not aware of that. I can see the demand that could justify DFW-ROW, but what market is driving LAX-ROW? It was my understanding that the City of Roswell/Chaves County was subsidizing the DFW route, are they doing the same for LAX?



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6694 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4389 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 15):
PNS even has had one flight upgraded to CR7. Does anyone think they might consider adding a couple flights to PFN (Panama City FL) to DFW, especially now since with the DL/NW merger there will virtually be no compeition there (I think US srved it for a while to CLT but am thinking that got pulled).

AA has done well, but I'm doubtful on PFN. It's a small market and very leisure oriented. Even DL never flew PFN-DFW on a regular basis. US gave PFN a try and quickly bailed.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4368 times:



Quoting Ssides (Reply 18):
It was my understanding that the City of Roswell/Chaves County was subsidizing the DFW route, are they doing the same for LAX?

I dont think so. This flight is preforming well of its own accord. If it was a revenue guarantee, I dont think AA would be increasing frequency.



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4306 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 9):
They started BRO, do they also fly to HRL?

HRL is served by CO and WN: however, AA also serves MFE in the valley.


User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 446 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4261 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 21):

IIRC AAEagle used to serve HRL some years ago using the ATR72, probably in 2001-2002 beacuse I remember flying HRL-IAH with COExpress in the ATR42 and there was an Eagle ATR72 parked next to us in HRL.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

I wonder, could AA eventually start a DFW-LRU route? Las Cruces is the second largest city in New Mexico after all. Although the distance from Las Cruces to El Paso is a little shorter than the distance from Albuquerque to Santa Fe, keep in mind that Albuquerque and Santa Fe are now connected by the Rail Runner, while there is no rail link between El Paso and Las Cruces.

One downside of such route though would be that there is far less tourist traffic into Las Cruces than there is into Santa Fe.



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4284 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4248 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 21):
HRL is served by CO and WN: however, AA also serves MFE in the valley.

AA used to serve it with AT7's from DFW but cut the service years ago. Remember it from the flight schedules in the 1990s.

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25 MAH4546 : Definitely not around 2001/2002 if you saw an ATR. All ATRs were at Miami and San Juan in that time frame.
26 HAJFlyer : Given the proximity to ELP and the substantial number of carriers and destinations to chose from there I seriously doubt that this is a viable propos
27 MFEJourno : Kind of a slow time for them to start BRO. Haven't heard anything about the loads so far, but if they stick with it a while I think they'll do well in
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