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Did Lufthansa Ever Serve Honolulu?  
User currently offlineTheengineer From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12236 times:

Did LH ever have scheduled flights to Honolulu? I know they did one or some demonstration flights there when they first introduced the A340 but I'm not sure about scheduled flights.

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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12216 times:

I seem to recall they may have had a very brief code-sharing arrangement on Air New Zealand's AKL-HNL-LAX-FRA service. There was at least one Lufthansa timetable I saw in the early 90's with Honolulu marked as a destination (well before *Alliance).

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11733 times:

This was discussed days ago in another thread:

Sabena BRU-HNL Flight (by AlexEU Jul 8 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11516 times:

Lufthansa Cargo did M1F landings to HNL with the round-the-world freighters.


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User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6437 times:



Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
This was discussed days ago in another thread:

Sabena BRU-HNL Flight (by AlexEU Jul 8 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Soren

Welcome back, the eternal Europe-Hawaii threads!

Any Demand For A Europe To HNL Non-stop Service? 2005
When Will We See Europe - HNL Non-stop Service? 2007

Clearly there is huge freemium demand judging by how often these threads pop out on A.net!


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Hawaii is not a cheap resort destination AND there are multiple islands. It does pretty well from spots within 7 hours fly time or US pax not wanting to go out of the US. But flying from Europe when there are so many other tropical resorts that are both cheaper & nicer. It is hard to imagine 300 persons a day wanting to come from Europe to HNL at fares that make it work.

User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

300 people from EMEA region per day - maybe not. 300 people from EMEA per week - certainly.

In fact in 2007 there were about 300 Europeans in Hawaii on average on any given day if my calculations are correct (108000 visitors total/365 days) with average stay of almost two weeks: http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/visitor-stats/dims/2007-dim-detail.pdf

That was also the year I've been to Hawaii, however we were happy to make stop-over in NYC.

However it must be noted that International visitors to Hawaii has seen the worst fall of all this May - minus 18% YoY: http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/visitor-stats/tourism/2009/may09.swf

more interesting stats here: http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/visitor-stats/

[Edited 2009-07-20 11:50:30]

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

I would think that as stated above there are closer resorts in the Caribbean and the Mediterranean that are more cost effective, not to mention the Middle East. I have been after my cousins to come to LIH for a visit, but they find it cost prohibitive. Anyways they would come in August when I am in Muskoka where they visit me.


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User currently offlineSevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5290 times:



Quoting Borism (Reply 4):
Welcome back, the eternal Europe-Hawaii threads!

Any Demand For A Europe To HNL Non-stop Service? 2005
When Will We See Europe - HNL Non-stop Service? 2007

Clearly there is huge freemium demand judging by how often these threads pop out on A.net!

To be fair, if you read the OP's question, he is asking if there ever has been, not Why not or will there ever be....

I'll try and at least partially answer the question. I don't believe LH has operated sevices to HNL, unless it was as part of RTW flights back in the days of B707's and L-1049's.

I wonder if Condor has ever operated charters. I have a hunch that they have but thats all it is

However, I know that HA served FRA for a while with DC8's. I think during the 80's.

Regards



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6822 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Like he said, LH flew cargo M11s to HNL, but they never had scheduled passenger flights around the world. Somebody said they had (in the 1990s?) a "scheduled charter" to HNL, which I guess means a flight that never appeared in the timetable?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4725 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 9):
Like he said, LH flew cargo M11s to HNL, but they never had scheduled passenger flights around the world. Somebody said they had (in the 1990s?) a "scheduled charter" to HNL, which I guess means a flight that never appeared in the timetable?

I believe there was at least one A340-200 demonstration flight FRA-HNL unsing a LH 342 to promote the A340's range in the very early days' of A340 service, but it wasn't a scheduled operation.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3657 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3421 times:
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The LH demonstration flight was on Nov. 21, 1992. This is from the Hawaii State Library's Hawaii Newspaper Index:

Publisher: HONOLULU STAR-BULLETIN
Date: 1993 10 19
Page: A3
Title: GERMAN AIRLINE, LUFTHANSA, TO ADD EXTRA FLIGHT FROM FRANKFURT TO HON IN NOV '94

So, did LH fly to HNL regularly after the demonstration flight in 1992? They must have, otherwise this article would not have said "add extra flight" almost a year later. As I have said before, this was a charter operation and IIRC was a 2x weekly flight.


User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Check out this graph from Star Bulletin: http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/06/22/business/art1d.jpg

It shows almost twofold rise in visitors to HI from Germany 1991-1993, but those numbers fell off a cliff since then.

Visitors from UK have been on a steady decline as well, but still a significant number.

More here: http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/06/22/business/index1.html


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