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DL To Charge Add Fee To Bag Checking Fee  
User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 635 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10899 times:

According to our employee website, pax who puchase tickets on/before Jul 15 for travel on/before Aug 4 will be subject to the same 15$ and 25$ bag fees for 1st & 2nd checked bags as well as a 5$ surcharge per bag. So bags checked at the airport will be 20$ & 30$ respectively.
I am fed up with hearing about these "fees" and "surcharges". When will this madness end? I hope nobody else follows DL on this.

Tchau

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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10857 times:



Quoting CVG2LGA (Thread starter):
I am fed up with hearing about these "fees" and "surcharges". When will this madness end? I hope nobody else follows DL on this.

DL is actually just matching US and UA who have already announced this initiative.


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10853 times:

The "madness" will never end. Why stop adding fees when the flying public is clearly not upset enough about them to change their flying habits?

[Edited 2009-07-20 10:31:42]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10824 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 2):
Why stop adding fees when the flying public is clearly not upset enough about them to change their flight habits?

 checkmark  If consumers put their money where their mouth was, there'd be no extra fees.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10775 times:

I''ve long said that if everyone is charging, where are you to use your money by voting with your wallet?

Everyone cannot pile on WN and air travel must continue.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10653 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
I''ve long said that if everyone is charging, where are you to use your money by voting with your wallet?

Everyone cannot pile on WN and air travel must continue.

If WN was printing money and hiking fares I'd agree, but they're not. People didn't flock to carriers that weren't charging extra and they certainly aren't flocking to WN.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10643 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
Everyone cannot pile on WN and air travel must continue.

Indeed- they don't even fly to Alaska, otherwise, I'd be voting with my credit card.

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 2):
Why stop adding fees when the flying public is clearly not upset enough about them to change their flying habits?

You speak as though passenger numbers aren't at all time worsts. Wait a week until the carriers start announcing their second quarter result- then you'll see just how happy people are to fly. In fact, I think UA or someone already did (was it AA?) and the numbers were abysmal.
The carriers need to STIMULATE demand, since it isn't really there, rather than CHARGE A FEE FOR CHARGING THE BAGGAGE FEE.

This really is stupid, and poor business.


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10602 times:

I'm curious as to why the Obama adminstration and Congress isn't looking into this. You would think that if the administration got new rules for credit card companies, they would be willing to tackle the airlines and stop them from nickel-and-diming everyone.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10581 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
The carriers need to STIMULATE demand, since it isn't really there,

They need to stimulate demand that isn't there Yeah sure. Brilliant.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10584 times:

If consumers paid the actual cost it takes to transport them, airlines wouldn't need to be adding incremental fees left and right.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Take Amtrak. 3 checked bags free, up to 50lbs each. Sure it takes longer, but you avoid the annoyance of the airports, and you actually get to see the country.

Oh okay, personal rant over, back to topic.

Not surprising, but obviously disappointing. But like some have said, don't blame DL for starting this one. Still, it's pretty sad they they went along.

The line between LCC and legacy carrier in terms of extra fees is getting blurred even further.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10538 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):

You speak as though passenger numbers aren't at all time worsts

But it isn't because of luggage fees, it is because of the economy in general. What the poster was getting at, I reckon, is changing habits by going to airlines that do not charge bag fees. Sure, travel numbers are low, but it isn't because bag fees are being charged (at least, very little of it is I would imagine).


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21866 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10414 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
If consumers paid the actual cost it takes to transport them, airlines wouldn't need to be adding incremental fees left and right.

If airlines would actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them, then passengers might pay it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10375 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 12):

If airlines would actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them, then passengers might pay it.

That's already been proven false. Ryanair certainly doesn't do that, at least not thru the actual airfare. The lowest fare on Orbitz or wherever is all most pax are worried about. They don't think about total costs.

DL and CO both held off on charging for first bags. When they finally added fees for the first bag, both said that they had expected a shift in market share. Both said that it didn't happen. I'm sure WN wishes that they hadn't boxed themselves into a corner on bag fees now. They'll figure a way out.

This is more about driving check-in to online than anything else. All airlines are looking for ways to reduce the need for face to face contact in the airports. This is another way. Hopefully in the big hubs we will see priority bag drops for those who have prepaid. This should keep things moving.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10331 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 13):
All airlines are looking for ways to reduce the need for face to face contact in the airports.

And yet when Skybus tried it, they were criticized. Maybe they were a pioneer!  duck 


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10334 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
If WN was printing money and hiking fares I'd agree, but they're not. People didn't flock to carriers that weren't charging extra and they certainly aren't flocking to WN.

Ok so let's do a quick analysis. I for sure don't have the timeline but maybe someone can come up with a rough estime.

-Who was the first airline to introduce the second checked bag fee (out of the majors; not talking about the likes of Spirit or G4 that has been doing it for the longest)
-Who was the first airline to intrude first checked bag fee (keeping same G4/ Spirit logic)
-How long did it take for others to follow
-Now this ridiculous fee

Was there truly "enough time" for passengers "to vote with their wallet/ feet" as many suggest. My suggestion would be not near enough. Key is to jump on the bandwagon as soon as possible if that's your game as to not loose out on possible revenue-and in the initiating airline's case-to hope others will follow as soon as possible as to not loose potential customers.

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
If airlines would actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them, then passengers might pay it.

-Mir

Bingo! Sure it's illegal but if ALL airlines grew some and actually raised fares enough across the board, i'm sure we won't see such an outcry. I mean, same can be said for bag fees, right? Everyone is saying "oh, if people would just vote with their wallet, yet if all are charging, I still stand that there is nowhere to go." Same can be said with fares. Airline X raises fares by $15 but airline Y, and Z doesn't; expect them to retract in comming weeks. Airline X raises fares and so does Y, and Z then you may be on to something. This is the case with bag fees. Everyone is following airline X.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10300 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 12):

If airlines would actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them, then passengers might pay it.

-Mir

Until the likes of WN, B6 and VX go out of business (which won't ever happen), "airlines will never be able to actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them."



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8590 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10281 times:
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I'm not that keen on it, but at the end of the day, even if DL are or were making money (not sure), if other carriers are charging checked bag fees, why not join the party and potentially make even more money!?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10231 times:

I used to think PeoplExpress was crazy for charging $3.00 for checked bags, now it looks like a great deal.

Btw..

CO Chase card holders do not pay for their first checked bag.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10177 times:



Quoting CVG2LGA (Thread starter):
According to our employee website, pax who puchase tickets on/before Jul 15 for travel on/before Aug 4 will be subject to the same 15$ and 25$ bag fees for 1st & 2nd checked bags as well as a 5$ surcharge per bag. So bags checked at the airport will be 20$ & 30$ respectively.
I am fed up with hearing about these "fees" and "surcharges". When will this madness end? I hope nobody else follows DL on this.

The "madness" will end when passengers start paying for the true cost of their tickets. These surcharges and fees exist because the airlines are trying to make a profit. God forbid you have to pay more than $199 for your roundtrip transcon flight.

I might agree with you if the airlines were reporting record profits and still charging these fees, but that simply isn't the case. They need to make money somehow and trying to raise ticket prices never works so they are left with fees to make ends meet.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7665 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10121 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):
Until the likes of WN, B6 and VX go out of business (which won't ever happen), "airlines will never be able to actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them."

WN is the largest carrier of domestic pax in the USA, why would you want them to go out of business, you have some LCC you want to take their place??? WN has been profitable for many years, indeed longer than some folks first heard the word hedges. They made money before the headges, during the hedges, and will be making adjustment to ensure their profitability, I'm confident in them than the others.

Another reason why some may say pax are not voicing their complaints with their wallet, WN is already the largest, so what we need to see is how much larger they have gotton, figures should be out shortly.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10107 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
I'm curious as to why the Obama adminstration and Congress isn't looking into this. You would think that if the administration got new rules for credit card companies, they would be willing to tackle the airlines and stop them from nickel-and-diming everyone.

Huh? Explain to me why the US govt should be dictating to private business's what they can/should charge for their products. Are you saying you'd happily agree to the same govt setting prices for all other goods you buy? You're talking absolute nonsense.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):

Until the likes of WN, B6 and VX go out of business (which won't ever happen), "airlines will never be able to actually charge people the cost it takes to transport them."

Absolute nonsense, and a completely nonsensical 'argument'. There's nothing to stop any airline charging as much as they want, or feel they have to. If those other than the three you mention have a higher cost base, then that's their problem and no-one else's. Why should others have to 'match' them? But then again, goodness, the 'legacies must never be blamed for the mess they themselves created!

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Sure it's illegal but if ALL airlines grew some and actually raised fares enough across the board, i'm sure we won't see such an outcry

Nothing illegal whatsoever about any airline raising prices to any level they desire. It's only illegal if it's collusion between them. But you have to remember, US airlines are more concerned with 'market share' than competing on their service and whatever they are good at. They'd rather lose money hand over fist than lose the fallacy of market share.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
If consumers paid the actual cost it takes to transport them

Okay, so who offers the fares for any given airline? From your 'arguments' I clearly assume that you would never think of purchasing a 'low' fare offered by your favourite airline.......you obviously would insist on paying more, right?
Yeah, sure!


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10099 times:
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The airlines from a customer service stand point have it backwards. They raise fees because they can't make any money, and screw the customer over. Thus the customer spends less with them and a few jump ship to WN. Now if they actually took care of the customer, they'd be happy to come back and spend their money with them more often. Now of course this is in a perfect world, but in theory it looks nice.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10024 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Sure it's illegal but if ALL airlines grew some and actually raised fares enough across the board, i'm sure we won't see such an outcry

You'd have to either enforce high fares or most carriers would have to intentionally be uncompetitive to the point of non-existence. I'm pretty sure their shareholders and employees would rather not go that route.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 20):
WN is already the largest, so what we need to see is how much larger they have gotton

They've been shrinking and losing money, all whilst their competitors are charging all sorts of extra fees. They also have zero pre-deregulation overhead.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):
Now if they actually took care of the customer, they'd be happy to come back and spend their money with them more often.

That sounds nice, and it'd be nice if that were even half true. But it is total crap.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9993 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):

Most customers have absolutely zero loyalty whatsoever to any airline. They simply log onto expedia and find the cheapest ticket they possbily can. Passengers will connect through several cities and spend a few extra hours travelling just to save $5-10 over the shorter or direct flight. There is pretty much no way you can build brand loyalty in the airline industry, passengers simply won't pay for it, which is why every airline experience is essentially the same.


25 PSA727 : I have no problems with the baggage fees at all. I rarely check a bag, nor am I one of those people who try to bring all this excess luggage on board
26 FlyASAGuy2005 : I don't think he was implying that he WANTS the likes of Southwest or JetBlue to go under; but that that's probably what will have to happen to see a
27 NorCal : As an airline employee working for a competing legacy, I don't mind WN at all. They pay some of the best wages in the industry to their employees and
28 9252fly : If people understood that airline travel is now seen as a commodity,we wouldn't need to have this pointless tread.
29 AWACSooner : One of the few times I am glad I use my military ID to check in... DL is still my favorite legacy major...but they are slowly rising on my **** list a
30 Avalon2862 : So let me get this straight... They are charging passengers a fee... for charging them a fee? In other words.. it costs you $5 to pay them $15-25? Hmm
31 SW733 : I agree, Southwest isn't always the cheapest. The reason I fly them a lot is flexibility and service, which I feel are very important, plus the fact
32 Rampart : As if it were a voluntary action, "tipping" an airline the extra amount they really deserve. PLEASE! It isn't the customer's fault! I think it's basi
33 Jetmatt777 : PLEASE do not give them any more ideas. The market will decide if these fees are worth it. If you don't want to pay the fee, fly someone else or driv
34 AirframeAS : Ehhhhh......huh? Ah...see below.... Soon, it will cost you .50 cents to take that $5 from you. Seriously...what is this $5 for anyway? Those airlines
35 Coolfish1103 : That's your decision not to take advantage of it, don't add it onto everyone else. At the current state of most airlines, none of them really stands
36 FlyASAGuy2005 : The argument about "subsidizing" other passengers is getting pretty old. How long have we been able to check bags on an a/c and it didnt cost you any
37 Airbazar : Really? I suppose that's why airlines are deeply discounting fares these days and reducing capacity. The economy my ass! Sure in part yes, but a lot
38 Kalvado : I would say that wouldn't happen while airlines are in business of increasing their market share, rather than making money. Customer wants frequency!
39 PGNCS : When consumers are willing to pay higher ticket prices like they used to when all amenities were included. Extremely well put. Thank you. Where did h
40 Post contains links PHLBOS : IIRC, UA was the first back in Feb. 2008. Most other carriers followed within 4 months. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.
41 AirframeAS : I thought it was AA that started this whole thing.....
42 MaverickM11 : Transatlantic/pacific? NK might be worried about drive traffic, but network carriers aren't sweating losing people to driving on short segments. DL d
43 0NEWAIR0 : Maybe it's because they can't afford to fly despite the "deeply discounted fares?" The economy is most certainly like your ass for the present time a
44 LHCVG : [quote=0NEWAIR0,reply=2]The "madness" will never end. Why stop adding fees when the flying public is clearly not upset enough about them to change the
45 N867DA : Flying has become such a garbage experience except for take-off and the hour before landing. If airlines charged according to their cost, I would defi
46 Ual777 : That is laughable. The airlines are taking 20% unit revenue hits which on revenue of 10 billion is $2 BILLION dollars off the top. Of course they are
47 Par13del : Yes but is their percentage of pax flying growing? WN has always had a lower load factor as frequency is their core, if pax are walking with their wa
48 Lufti5525 : If you need to go ATL-MAI, DL will laugh all the way to the bank. But, if you want to go ATL-LHW, ATL-FRA etc, you can laugh all the way to the bank.
49 Cubsrule : I think Orbitz is one of the reasons that WN can afford to not charge fees. They don't compete on price in the same way that all of the carriers that
50 NorCal : When WalMart or Nordstrom has a sale the customers also buy other merchandise that isn't on sale and it generates repeat customers. Airline fare wars
51 Airbazar : US network carriers like DL/AA/US/NW are predomintaly domestic carriers. The majority of their business is domestic and that is exactly where they ar
52 LuiePL : I agree completely. At first, when these fee's starting popping up, I was mad at the airlines. Now however, I see it as a way for the passenger to ge
53 Toltommy : Because the Socialist administration in DC is following the blueprint of the Socialist administration in London. Air travel is a luxury that must be
54 Airlinespotter : Many, many a.netters once said "If this airline wants to charge their customers fees for checking their bags, I would skip this airline because this i
55 2175301 : Let the airlines charge all the fees they want; just require them to provide an upfront number for comparison. I think that they should list as the ba
56 FrmrCAPCADET : Walmart sells very little on the basis of 'loss leader', or groceries on the basis of the weekly sales price. So near as I can tell, their niche is m
57 C767P : At the airport…does this mean you can pay the bag fee if you check in online and avoid this BS $5 fee?
58 MSPNWA : I have to shake my head when I read things about voting with our wallets. The airline industry isn't exactly the competitive market like your local di
59 PSA727 : It is the truth whether you like it or not. You know how much I used to pay for a R/T ticket to the West Coast 15 years ago? $198. You know what I pa
60 MSYPI7185 : WN has started charging fees. The airline unions have no such benefits, never did. WN is/was the most heavily unionized and highest paid of all US ai
61 Iflykpdx : I am also tired of hearing this argument. For people who aren't living in major cities with lots of options, there is really no choice most of the ti
62 Joeycapps : I thought that the whole point of having the bag fee's was to combat rising fuel costs? I dont think that fuel costs are a problem now at $65 (+/-) bb
63 YULWinterSkies : Furthermore, the said cities are not exactly cheap to get to. Forget about your $198 r/t transcon... But still don't forget about your baggage fee! I
64 FlyASAGuy2005 : My point. Poeple are still going to fly. I want to say that it's short of a necesseity in many cases. AMEN!! This, again, si my point. Fewer choices
65 GSPSPOT : Honest, all-fees-&-taxes-included pricing. It shouldn't take an act of Congress to bring sanity to airfare pricing. Even if "the market" doesn't seem
66 ATAflyer : WELL SAID, PSA727, I totally agree.
67 Par13del : How many of us fell for that line, and how many of us defended the airlines by saying it was a good thing. We did have arguments as to why heavier pa
68 SkyHigh777 : I'm a bit confused and seemingly irritated as to the logic behind all the madness that is the airline industry. Here's a good example: In April of 200
69 Baw716 : Unfortunately, fees are here to stay folks, so you best get used to it... This whole entire mess about fees has more to do with the lack of attention
70 Hohd : I have the opposite experience. Most people I meet would still rather fly. Driving more than 1000 miles also costs money, meals, hotels plus the wear
71 Toltommy : Really, doesn't seem to help AC financially.... Last I heard, they are back to one foot in the grave. That being said, I like the transparency of AC'
72 Josh32121 : Yes! The fee only applies if you check in at the airport. It's a fee for the kiosk (or in-person) transaction at the airport--not the service of tran
73 Khobar : Uh huh... Absolutely correct. Well, that is what happens every day. Do you need that Big Mac? What about that fancy car? Or any other consumable. Peo
74 DeltaCTO : Excellent Post!! AC's model does seem very fair: Not only do you pay for what you want, you can prepay, and you can even deduct some of the charges y
75 Yodobashi : I have a couple of questions I'd like answered, purely out of interest: What is the purpose of the baggage fee? I'm assuming it is to cover the additi
76 MSNDC9 : The problem is their putting it in the overhead bin. LOL
77 Chrisair : They have? What fees are they charging, excluding the third bag fee (which was put in place back in 2007, I believe)? For myself, and many business t
78 GSPSPOT : I like your attitude, but unfortunately, there aren't many REAL alternatives to air travel in most of the US. Will taxpayers/lawmakers EVER allow us
79 UN_B732 : This all reminds me of when Delta said.. I don't recall the exact wording, that they were a "premium carrier" and would never charge a first bag fee,
80 Dispatchguy : May all the carriers go the way of the dodo bird, and out of business. They are ALL weak, worthless, and incompetent. Not the front line folks, for th
81 PHLBOS : I've either done that or used an alternate airport (BWI). I've known a few others that have done the same as well. True real-world, real-life story:
82 AT : Well the public doesn't have a choice a lot of the time... Often times flying is a necessity.
83 PSU.DTW.SCE : For all the Arm-chair CEOs out there coming up with crack-pot ideas, saying they should price the actual cost, the economy doesn't matter, etc.....jus
84 FrmrCAPCADET : Reality injection: Airlines continue to be unprofitable, in spite of reducing capacity, lower wages, lower gas prices etc. Ticket sales is going down
85 MAH4546 : I applaud this move. It encourages purchasing in advance, and then people start to freak out, "oh no, but what if I'm not able to put everything into
86 MogandoCI : For starters, many don't have a WN choice. Say NYC. WN flies to LGA from what? 3 places? So for all practical purposes, I'll be doing a 1-stop flight
87 Stealth777 : I agree with this move. I haven't looked at Delta's baggae fee but I have looked at UA's. All they are trying to do is speed up the check-in process.
88 MAH4546 : It was neither. Spirit started it all in 2007.
89 NorCal : The airlines didn't have a choice because passengers will go through all kinds of pain to save a few bucks on a flight. When all you can compete on i
90 0NEWAIR0 : With well over 60% (most likely more...I haven't checked the numbers recently so I'm being conservative) of air travel being "leisure travel" I hardl
91 FrmrCAPCADET : While it is not sole cause the additional hassle flying these last 10 years has hurth the industry. And unfortunately airlines are having to deal wit
92 AirNZ : Can you explain that to me a bit more, because you've completely lost me????? To get to somewhere a considerable distance away please explain how 'bu
93 0NEWAIR0 : I think that's the whole point. When you're on "business" travel you are going somewhere because 1) your boss is telling you too or 2) You need to ma
94 NorCal : It has everything to do with Expedia because places like Expedia put all of that information in one place. It would be like taking said car dealers a
95 Khobar : That is true - but when you do an actual comparison you find most airlines are already within a few $$$ of each other. Now anyone who wants to click
96 ExFATboy : No, they're not "charging a fee to charge a fee." What they're doing is saying "if you pay at the airport, it's $x, if you pay in advance on the inte
97 CV880 : And since the check-in kiosks accept credit cards for excess baggage payments during check-in, why nickel and dime the pax with this advance payment
98 Cubsrule : I like what AC does, as it's almost impossible to find a fare class that doesn't meet my needs. That said, I do think it can be hard for the infreque
99 Josh32121 : Kiosks cost money, too (equipment, maintenance, etc.). If they shift that activity outside the airport to the passenger's personal computer in great
100 FrmrCAPCADET : And what about the sanity of those who offer such an unreasonable fare?
101 PHLBOS : My earlier replies were in reference to FlyASAGuy's post (see below) which was focusing on when NETWORK/legacy carriers started enacting the baggage
102 PSU.DTW.SCE : Similar to the auto industry, the airline industry has a lot of fixed costs and it is difficult to rapidly adjust capacity (translating to costs) to
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