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EL AL Adding "low Cost Economy Class" To Its Plane  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

EL AL plans to introduce a forth class of service in its aircrafts, below economy. The model of the class is similar to low cost no frills. Pax will need to pay extras for meals, baggage, seat assignment, entertainment.
The first flight to offer the new segregated class will be Rome in August. EL AL is selling seats at $199.
They plan to add NY and far east later, if the european flights become successful.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1101709.html

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6832 times:



Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
They plan to add NY and far east later

They should call it "Tower Class."  duck 



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1672 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6765 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
They should call it "Tower Class."

LOL !

Very, very interesting concept. Airlines have been known to launch LCCs, and when an airline usually adds a 4th cabin, it's usuallly Prem. Econ. What a totally original idea.
The best part is El Al does not have to refit any of its planes (for some weird reason I initially thought they would).
I wonder on what type of route will this be a success. Probably routes where this is a threat from a incument LCC. Not so sure about NYC, LAX etc. since El Al seems to be doing pretty well in all cabins. Adding this would just dilute yields really.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

Wow, while other airlines adding Y+ class to their product list, LY adding Y-. Big grin

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

Guess this will help counter the arrival of European LCCs into Israel!


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2249 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

Just thinking out loud: what about adding a real Y+ (better seats, FF program, etc.) and keeping all Y in LCC concept?


2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

Sounds like a dangerous descending slope... with no brakes and a big hole at the bootom. Next what? Flying in a cargo box in the belly? Sure some pax wouldn't care.


When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineGosheto From Bulgaria, joined Jun 2009, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6342 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6):
Flying in a cargo box in the belly?

I know I would  Smile I mean, if safety regulations allowed it, I could not care less for service, meal or a window, as long as I can stretch, read a book (or use my laptop), and use the loo, I would definitely prefer a lie-flat like that to any economy seat  boxedin 


User currently offlineFocus From Israel, joined Feb 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

If there are no actual dividers between Y and Y-, what happens when a Y- passenger:

Spots an empty seat a couple of rows ahead (in Y) and takes it.
Grabs the headset (free of charge in Y) from one of those empty seats.
Visits the galley asking for a drink or a snack.

Implementing the idea may not be easy.

--Focus


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

This makes a lot of sense if the fraction of people who travel on buisness is substantial. These are either allowed to fly J or Y. Y+ makes no sense, since those who only may fly Y cannot fly Y+, so only may move tickets from J to Y+. Y- will be for private trips, competing the LCC. Good model.

User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1672 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5888 times:



Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 5):
Just thinking out loud: what about adding a real Y+ (better seats, FF program, etc.) and keeping all Y in LCC concept?

Adding a Y+ would need LY to reconfigure their airplanes. That would take time, and money, and you could always risk an oversupply of seats.
However, LY's proposed concept does not seem to need a recon. job and LY could always reduce/add the number of seats.
If I understood this correctly, Y- will be a 'soft product' since seats will be no different from regular whY.

Quoting Focus (Reply 8):
If there are no actual dividers between Y and Y-, what happens when a Y- passenger:

Spots an empty seat a couple of rows ahead (in Y) and takes it.
Grabs the headset (free of charge in Y) from one of those empty seats.
Visits the galley asking for a drink or a snack.

Implementing the idea may not be easy.

Hmm. LY could always switch off the IFE in the Y- part of the plane. And pax return the headsets anyway at the end of the flight, right?


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 976 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5723 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6):
Next what? Flying in a cargo box in the belly?

El Al has done humanitarian evacuation/immigration flights in virtually that sort mode, when it was necessary. As always, I wish them luck! "On the wings of eagles..."



"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 11):

You are thinking of Operations Solomon, Moses, and Joshua which was an airlift for Ethopians. The seats on the 747 were removed and people were seated on the floor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Joshua

[Edited 2009-07-21 07:36:53]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

I've always thought this would be a no brainer, at least to try. It's like European regional first class where they have the flexibility to change the front cabin size based on demand just by closing down the middle seats, except in this case they don't have to do anything--just move the Y- people to dedicated rows where they are charged for services.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19584 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

The big question is how they're going to market this.

"Masada Class"?  duck 
"Dead Sea Class?"  rotfl 


User currently offlineQ120 From Canada, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

that... my friend... just made my morning LOL

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6):
Next what? Flying in a cargo box in the belly? Sure some pax wouldn't care.


 rotfl 



However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

I think this is a very interesting venture by LY and one that other carriers will certainly be looking at with interest. I strongly believe that, given the world economic climate at the moment, that airlines need to be very innovative and stir the imagination of the market; people will still want to fly; airlines need to "lower the bar" to accommodate this. I am hoping that our EI will look at something like this; long haul low cost is the wave of the future.

I'm surprised that this is going to be a fourth class with LY; I'd have thought they'd combine F and J and then have Y and Y-.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 2):
The best part is El Al does not have to refit any of its planes (for some weird reason I initially thought they would).
I wonder on what type of route will this be a success

At the moment, I think it's a case of dipping their toe in the water and if it catches on, I think you will be seeing reconfiguration.

I was wondering if they might reconfigure the rear cabins in their 777s to 10 abreast to accommodate this?

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4):
Guess this will help counter the arrival of European LCCs into Israel!

Certainly a likely motive!

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 5):
Just thinking out loud: what about adding a real Y+ (better seats, FF program, etc.) and keeping all Y in LCC concept?

Certainly one possible permutation and I'm sure various different ones (such as that I've mentioned above will be looked at); I suspect that for Y-, they'll want to have the densest possible configuration; after all, pax will be flying on very low fares.

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 6):
Sounds like a dangerous descending slope... with no brakes and a big hole at the bootom. Next what? Flying in a cargo box in the belly? Sure some pax wouldn't care.

As I said, airlines need to be innovative; they need to go out and present a new product and to get the public to fly again; they'll still want to, but many will need the right product to get them to do so and this is what LY is doing - and many other carriers should be looking at doing.

Quoting Focus (Reply 8):
Spots an empty seat a couple of rows ahead (in Y) and takes it.
Grabs the headset (free of charge in Y) from one of those empty seats.
Visits the galley asking for a drink or a snack.

You think that's likely on LY?! I doubt if any pax would be able to move to a different seat without being noticed!


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4968 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 3):
Wow, while other airlines adding Y+ class to their product list, LY adding Y-. Big grin

This tells me they are flying with a bunch of empty seats


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4091 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):
I'm surprised that this is going to be a fourth class with LY; I'd have thought they'd combine F and J and then have Y and Y-.

At EL AL they are constantly thinking of new way to reinvent the cabin. Mostly how to get the most out of investing the least.

The "new" EL AL first class that was introduced almost two years ago, is a Premium Business class they calll First.

So now some of the flights will have ....
Premium Business (they call First) , standard Business (They call Platinum), Economy and low cost economy.


User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

I think Braathens did a similar things years ago and called it Braathens Back?

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