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Ryanair To Cut Stansted Capacity By 40%  
User currently offlineBA1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Just seen this on the BBC. Looks like Ryanair are feeling the pinch as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8160923.stm


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27241 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7393 times:

FR keep blaming the tax but its the state of the economy the fact that people are travelling less and alot are taking the one or two week traditional package holidays and extra mini trips which FR rely on are not a priority anymore. Alot are not even going away this year. FR will just have to tighten their belts like everyone else. I wonder if they really need anymore A/C !

Big blow to STN though.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

Running multiple small bases has paid of well for them. These 16 aircraft could create 2 to 3 more new bases. I do not assume they put the aircraft into the desert, but keep them flying, just not over night in Stansted but on small fileds where parking is cheap.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

The real reason is that many British based pilots joined a union called BALPA, which will run a vote shortly to get itself recognised to represent at least the UK based pilots in Ryanair. O´Leary hates unions and refuses to negotiate with them, so he is transfering flights to other bases, using non-British pilots to undermine union.
For the unions there exists the problem that unions are still organised (by law) on a national base, while companies like FR operate internationally, thus duiividing the workforce.
O´Leary has long threatened that if the British pilots vote in a union, he will close the bases there, sack the pilots and operate from outside the UK (not basing aircraft there anymore, but just flying in from abroad).
The pilots on the other hand have the problem that FR got lots of pilot cadets, who actually pay for the privilege of flying a plane. The regular F/Os get minimum flight hours and lose money, while the actual flying is done by cadets and a captain.
The cadets hope for a regular contract after finishing their line training, but often get refused, so that the company can give their job to another fresh, paying cadet.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=09&month=jul&story=gen-en-210709

User currently offlineGawzu From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Last winter FR operated 28 a/c out of STN. This latest news indicates this winter will see 24 a/c out of STN.

That may well be equate to a 40% reduction on this year's summer based fleet but its not exactly the most useful comparison...


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

FR stated they'd be cutting back at STN a long time ago.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Alot are not even going away this year.

FR reduced its average fare from around €44 to about €34 to help keep people flying. And FR carried a decent amount more people because of it, and it anticipates carrying an extra 7m people by the end of this FY for a total of 67m people. So, people are indeed still flying. In fact, people will often cut back elsewhere to still have their holiday. Of course, not everyone will decide to go abroad or away as often.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
FR will just have to tighten their belts like everyone else.

A while back they embarked on a cost reduction programme to reduce costs by 5%, while concurrently increasing the price of certain ancillary components.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7243 times:



Quoting Gawzu (Reply 5):
Last winter FR operated 28 a/c out of STN. This latest news indicates this winter will see 24 a/c out of STN.

That may well be equate to a 40% reduction on this year's summer based fleet but its not exactly the most useful comparison...

as per the poster above, they reduced capacity last winter so why is it news this year?



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7221 times:



Quoting By188b (Reply 7):
as per the poster above, they reduced capacity last winter so why is it news this year?

Slow news day? Scare mongering?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGawzu From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7191 times:



Quoting By188b (Reply 7):
as per the poster above, they reduced capacity last winter so why is it news this year?

My point precisely!


User currently offlineSbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

I know the APD is an unfair tax and should be scrapped but why is Ryanair so up in arms about it when they charge all sorts of "extras" themselves (i know you can avoid the majority of them). Is because they did not think to introduce it themselves??  sarcastic 


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Hmm. If I cast my mind back a whole year, I can still remember exactly the same things being said then.


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User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

First PIK, now STN....where next...?

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6847 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Hmm. If I cast my mind back a whole year, I can still remember exactly the same things being said then.

So, where is the crisis? The aircraft are placed elsewhere with a lot of local propaganda, "Ryanair - your local Megacarrier at Little Backyard", the unions get weakend, and next year the same game. Maybe with standing seats :lol:


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

But if you consider all Ryanair flights from all 3 London airports LGW, LTN and STN for winter 09/10, I'd be surprised if the total wasn't much difference to Winter 08/09.

User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

I used to fly Ryanair regularly but have just been more and more put off by their indirect penny pinching and blatant profiteering - they're just more trouble than it's worth now. I'll now travel by any means other than Ryanair no matter what the saving would have been.

Anyway, the point I'm getting at, you'll never hear it if this is the reason people are leaving Ryanair, instead excuses of the economy or airline taxes will always be touted when it could be that Ryanair simply offers a product that no-one can be bothered with anymore.

[Edited 2009-07-21 05:36:14]


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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6601 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 14):
I'd be surprised if the total wasn't much difference to Winter 08/09.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
FR stated they'd be cutting back at STN a long time ago

So looking at it from a different perspective, do you think that MD11Engineer in post no.3 has actually got the real reason correct or, do you think it is nothing more than seasonal cut backs?

I think that MD11Engineers post is a quite interesting angle if not informative.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

Unless you are in a top position within FR and are in-tune with what's going on, it'll always be mere speculation.

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
when it could be that Ryanair simply offers a product that no-one can be bothered with anymore.

Such comments amuse me. I suppose that's why they're to carry an extra 7m passengers this FY?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePlaneWasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Isn't STN a bit too good for FR? Usually their airports are a lot further away from the city centers.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6400 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
they're to carry an extra 7m passengers this FY

BUT how many of those are returning customers?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6166 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 19):
BUT how many of those are returning customers?

Quite clearly FR will carry people for the first time and have plenty of returning customers. It would be unable to survive were it not for repeat customers. After all, I, for example, have flown FR over 100 times. And I am convinced that the stuff that is ordinarily spouted on A.net is not reflective of the overwhelming majority of FR passengers and their experiences.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6132 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
Such comments amuse me. I suppose that's why they're to carry an extra 7m passengers this FY?

I suggest this is more growth from new routes.. They're hardly going to cut capacity by 40% frmo STN if they're doing that well. I think many of their core customers - and I counted myself as one fo them for a long, long time - are simply getting fed up of them.

and richardw? - you wouldn't be the same richardw of MSE fame?



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User currently offlineMinty33 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6120 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
The pilots on the other hand have the problem that FR got lots of pilot cadets, who actually pay for the privilege of flying a plane. The regular F/Os get minimum flight hours and lose money, while the actual flying is done by cadets and a captain.
The cadets hope for a regular contract after finishing their line training, but often get refused, so that the company can give their job to another fresh, paying cadet.

Sorry MD11Engineer, this is not quite the case.There have been NO Cadets in the company for nearly six months, and this year there is only something like 150 or so Cadets being taken on. On average F/O's are getting about 60 - 70 hours flying per month, which is paying quite well. Cadets generally have a safety pilot on board for their first couple of weeks, and of course the safety pilot is a fully qualified F/O (being paid as such), and the cadet DOES get paid, albeit a basic wage. The cadet pays for their type rating, which also covers your line training. It is true that you are not guaranteed a job at the end of your line training, it is incorrect to say that they often get refused. If you make it through line training (most do) you will get a contract at the end of it, and as much as some people would dearly love to believe, they dont fire these cadets in order to hire fresh young cadets who pay! If they did this, how they hell would they crew all the new aircraft that arrive, nearly weekly at this stage, as its 5 F/O's on average per aircraft, thats about 1,000 F/Os just to keep the current fleet flying.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6111 times:



Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
indirect penny pinching and blatant profiteering

What, because they used to be a charity, right?

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 15):
they're just more trouble than it's worth now

Explain 'trouble'. I fly them very regularly out of necessity. Where is the 'trouble'? They are still by a country mile the cheapest. The only 'trouble' you will get is if you're not paying attention to rules and requirements.



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User currently offlineGc2 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

As others have said Ryanair did this last year, and cited the same reasons. Its a bit of publicity and a dig at BAA. I'm getting deja vu!

25 Richardw : No, never been to Manston - Kent International Airport.
26 Babybus : Nope. STN is very far from London (we call it Cambridge airport). It might as well be BHX or MME. I'm getting bored of Ryanair. A good airline but to
27 BeakerLTN : Just to point out - I don't wish to hijack this as a ryanair bashing thread - there's enough of those already! I have travelled FR many, many times t
28 RussianJet : Been there, done that. However, most of the time I pay a maximum of £40, take one small bag, and know what I'm getting. I still fail to see the 'tro
29 Post contains links Pe@rson : FR is one of the very few airlines that is up-front about fees: it puts a link to an easy-to-read-and-understand table of them in many key places on
30 BeakerLTN : " target=_blank>http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/faqs....ARGES FR are very clear about their fees and I don't disagree with you - it winds me up when pe
31 Rdwootty : More to the point is that they would hve reduced the capacity anyway because it has been a poor year and forward bookings are bad as well. No good bla
32 MD11Engineer : Well, I just followed tzhe discussion on PPRUNE.org
33 MillwallSean : Ryanair is opening new bases and receiving more planes. An increase in passengers are thus to b expected and doesn't say much. Its more rhetoric than
34 Post contains links Pe@rson : Probably doesn't answer your question, but it's a good article: http://www.anna.aero/2009/07/17/ital...months-spanish-flights-up-over-20/
35 BeakerLTN : But this is exactly my point, and one that never gets looked at. If someone critisises Ryanair it is immediately because they've obviously not read t
36 AirNZ : Yep exactly, and because it's Ryanair on this board.......funny how when it's other airlines the usual suspects claim it as 'genius' and the 'sensibl
37 Pe@rson : Why is it appalling? On the contrary, based on my extensive use of FR, I have found it to be one of the very few airlines to deliver exactly what it
38 BeakerLTN : The reason why I few with them so much, like many people was that they flew useful routes - STN to CIA in my case, I'm only a few miles from STN ( al
39 Pe@rson : Then: Complaining about their fares and whatnot and then suggesting they charge more. Hmm. This conversation is quite fun, but it's just goes around
40 Post contains images BeakerLTN : I know, it does go around and around.. but yes, that is exactly what I'm saying, it goes back to my point from before that I wished they'd charge a r
41 Pe@rson : Sounds good! I'm only up the motorway an hour or so from Luton.
42 NEMA : Hmmm, ive often thought about the opportunity of meeting Pe@rson and his FR buddy AirNZ especially (in Pe@rsons case) with EMA being my local airport
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