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Boeing Reveals Full Length 747-8  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39585 times:

Boeing reveals full length 747-8

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ing-reveals-full-length-747-8.html

Quote:
Boieng has revealed the first glimpse of the full length of the 76.3m (250ft) fuselage of the 747-8 Freighter.

The new image shows that Boeing has started to join the wing and centre section with the forward and aft fuselage sections.



747-8 is on course and may fly before 787. The article also reports that Boeing has completed a critical design review for the 747-8I.

The great JumboJet legacy continues.....

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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39504 times:

What a beauty of a bird! It's a shame that it won't reamin in the green primer colour it's great!

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39367 times:

wow, looks so good and so loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong


אמא, אני מתגעגע לך
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 781 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39316 times:

So explain to me how it will fly before the 787 when the 787 is already on the runway doing slow taxi tests.


You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39371 times:

Like sliced salmon, can't wait to see it complete..



User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39241 times:

Wow! Could someone please remind us again how many more pax can it handle compared to 744, and is there more than one version? Thanks.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39210 times:



Quoting Cha747 (Reply 3):
So explain to me how it will fly before the 787 when the 787 is already on the runway doing slow taxi tests.

Because the 787 is currently grounded and not allowed to fly due to an issue that may require major fix so it could easily be delayed to the end of the year whilst the 748 appears to be on track currently.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 39135 times:
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Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
Wow! Could someone please remind us again how many more pax can it handle compared to 744, and is there more than one version?

Using a "Boeing Configuration", the 747-8 can seat 51 more people (467 vs. 416). LH is looking to seat 420 in their frames compared to 330 in their 747-400s.

There will be two versions: the passenger and freighter model.

Big version: Width: 580 Height: 386 File size: 59kb
Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental


[Edited 2009-07-21 08:06:43]

User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38949 times:

When is LH expected to get their first 747-8's?

User currently offlineTropical From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38949 times:

When I saw the thread title I thought Boeing was launching a new version with a full length upper deck  Wow!  Big grin

User currently offlineEcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38751 times:

So all freighters get the short "bulb"........the shorter upper deck?
Why?
I mean, I appreciate that weight is often more important than space, but still..........is this favorable for freighters?

Shame, the extended bulb looks so good!

Ecuadorian MD11


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38764 times:
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Ah yes, the 747-900:


Fake by Raydon Designs. Image courtesy of aviation-design.net

Have to admit, that is a sharp-looking plane.  yes 


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38518 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
LH is looking to seat 420 in their frames compared to 330 in their 747-400s.

What is the proposed configuration for their 747-8i?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38408 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 12):
What is the proposed configuration for their 747-8i?

It was 10F / 100C / 410Y. I expect C might be reduced and Y increased. Since F is said to be moving from the upper deck to the nose, I imagine LH will keep it at 10.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 38355 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 12):
What is the proposed configuration for their 747-8i?


It was 10F / 100C / 410Y. I expect C might be reduced and Y increased. Since F is said to be moving from the upper deck to the nose, I imagine LH will keep it at 10.

LH has a seat count of about 330 seats for the 744, so add 30-40 for the 8i.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Luf...nsa/Lufthansa_Boeing_747-400_D.php


User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 319 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 38144 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Have to admit, that is a sharp-looking plane. yes

I was thinking the same thing. Shame we will likely never see it come to life. Oh well, that's what dreams are for.



Don't sweat the little things.
User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 37903 times:

You think a 747-800D will be in the works for Japan's domestic market?


Save the whales...for dinner!!!
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 37826 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
LH has a seat count of about 330 seats for the 744, so add 30-40 for the 8i.

My numbers come from LH presentations and they all point to around 420.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 37822 times:

I wonder, why no 77W freighter? Is it because of the nose-loading capabilities of the 747 that it is still ordered? What would be the savings of ordering new 748's ISO converting existing 744's in todays economic environment with high capital costs, lower fuel costs and less cargo demand?

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4593 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37761 times:
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She sure is nice looking. Let's hope the development goes very smooth and then get the planes to the customers. How much time is anticipated between first delivery of the first B747-8F and the B747-8I to LH?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37752 times:
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Quoting PHKLM (Reply 18):
I wonder, why no 77W freighter?

A 777 freighter based on the 777-300ER would likely have a lower payload weight than the current model based on the 777-200LR due to the higher OEW of the 77W.

Also, a 77W-based freighter would have probably closely-matched the 747-400 freighter in volume and payload, so by basing it on the 777-200LR, there is better market differentiation.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37701 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
My numbers come from LH presentations and they all point to around 420.

I think this points to a less premium config then, which makes sense of course in light of the current economy.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37668 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
LH has a seat count of about 330 seats for the 744

LH seating charts in their website show three different 744 configurations:
16/80/234 (total 330)
16/66/270 (total 352)
16/52/310 (total 378)


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37522 times:

I have my doubts about the 748... Although it is a nice looking bird I think that Boeing are trying to cling on desperately to a flagship that has maybe come to the end of its sales life.

The freighter version doesn't have many orders and the passenger version has only one customer...

I guess we'll see!!



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37283 times:
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Damn that's a looker! I love the 747 and it makes me happy to see work ongoing with the new model!!


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25 Viscount724 : You could have said the same thing for ALL Boeing factory-built freighter versions of other widebody types. The 748F's 78 orders in the 4 years since
26 Racko : I remember my parents showing me pictures of the 747 FAL from a trip they took to the NW USA in the early 70s when I was little...and somehow I'm just
27 Astuteman : They should SO have done this........ Rgds
28 LHPII : Q4 of 2011 due to delay by Boeing 10+100+410 makes 520 not 420 LH will have only 8 F seats in nose section, the same number as on A380s Final configu
29 Stitch : Sorry. Was looking at their A380 seating numbers when I quoted the breakdown, but 420 is what their presentations have shown, without giving a breakd
30 Max Q : The new Queen of the skies, forget boring twins.
31 KELPkid : For two reasons: 1) The upper deck intrudes upon cargo space (you cannot load full-height pallets or containers beneath the upper deck area), and by
32 Jet-lagged : No. There is the Shinkansen which takes not a lot more time on the only market (Tokyo-Osaka) it might make sense any more. But the Shinkansen is more
33 VC10DC10 : Also, the ability to load through the nose (already mentioned by PHKLM), and, I believe, the fact that a twin-engined freighter would have weight lim
34 Racko : Imho it feels quite claustrophobic the nearer you get to the front.
35 TodaReisinger : The upperdeck of the 747-8 will be longer than the one of the 747-100/200? I thought it would be the same....... anyway it looks so elegant.....I'm v
36 Cosmofly : Why the -F is not taking this advantage?
37 KELPkid : For the two reasons I mentioned above, the headroom that it eliminates, and the fact that it does add a lot of uneccesarry weight to a freighter.
38 Caljn : Is there a more beautiful sight in aviation than a rotating 747 ?
39 Eightball : Yes, a rotating 777. Of course, that's just my opinion.
40 Pellegrine : The short upper deck looks a bit reprofiled in comparison of the 744F/747 classic, but I'm guessing this is just the photo.
41 LHPII : ........something close to what swiss did on their A330-300s but even better!
42 Aaron747 : Not much need for such a thing these days - Fukuoka, Sapporo, and seasonally Okinawa are the only markets that can support such high densities from T
43 Viscount724 : LH ordered the first 742F freighter (one only) in March 1969. The next order wasn't until 4 years later, February 1973, when U.S. cargo carrier Seabo
44 Racko : Well if that's true that's very good news. The new seats in the LX A333 are amazing, both J and F.
45 Mal787 : That is one sexy beast looks so much better than the 380. mal787
46 VC10DC10 : Thanks for that wealth of information, Viscount724.
47 Mascmo : So the first one is going to be a freighter type when is the pax one coming out?[Edited 2009-07-21 22:10:56]
48 DL752 : I recently visited The Boeing Factory and let me tell you it was amazing! I saw the 747-8 when it was being put together and now it looks close to com
49 BlueSky1976 : Yes there is: a rotating 777-300ER. Not to mention a rotating Concorde.
50 Tom355uk : IMHO a rotating A346 does the job real nice...definitely better looking than the 744/748 and even the A388
51 Vincewy : Gone are the days where Japan needs large number of VLAs for domestic networks, JL and NH are replacing 744Ds with 777s. Besides aging population and
52 BeakerLTN : So the first-off 748 is a freighter.. has this (the first build being freight, not passenger) ever happened before? - I can't think of any. I've got a
53 Columba : Never will a rotating 777-300ER ever look as graceful and elegant as a 747 Can not wait for the real 747-8I take off, it will be the best looking air
54 Pblanker : I haven't read all of the previous entries so someone may have already commented that this plane is just so much better looking than an A380.
55 BubbaJin : Thats what she said . . . Seriously, it's amazing that it may fly before the 787. I cannot wait to see some internal pictures of this aircraft. Any w
56 Kiwiandrew : Am I correct in thinking that the 747-8 will regain for the 747 the title of worlds longest aircraft ? I think I read somewhere that it will be around
57 Scouseflyer : The only one that I can think of is that of the KC135 and 707 which the tanker plane came first but the 707 ended up being very differant in having a
58 Osteogenesis : Maybe only a landing 747.
59 CCA : Well if it's longer than the 777-300 the A346 and the current A380 which all have cameras, will it have them?
60 KC135TopBoom : Well, Boeing says the B-787 can safely fly now, but wants to fly it in the new configueration. They have also said the "fix" to the wing/body join wi
61 Keesje : I think I've found the a.netter that actually believes what Boeing says in relation to 787 progress I think that might be a bit dissapointing, unless
62 FEDEX35 : What a great looking aircraft,car'nt wait im going on the boeing tour on the 8th sept not long now 6 weeks and counting.
63 KC135TopBoom : Well, if all that is needed is a stronger attachment of the 17 upper stingers to the wing skin and body stringers, that should not be a difficult des
64 Afterburner : Yeah. Forget the boring twins. Give me four-holer with full-length upper deck.
65 Fridgmus : Excuse my ignorance, but would it take a major re-engineering effort to build this "747-900" with the full-length upper deck? If not, I wish Boeing w
66 Columba : When will be the roll-out ? Will be my aviation high light of the year to see the first pictures !
67 DLDTW1962 : It sure does look nice. Can't wait to see it fly into and out of DTW. Do we know which airlines have purchased this beauty besides LH?? Chuck
68 Keesje : Don't ask, pls. Yes, I think specially the 8F will look nice because it's leaner.
69 Airbazar : But the big difference here is that all other widebody freighters also had successful passenger versions to keep the program viable. The 748 doesn't
70 Post contains links and images EPA001 : Quoting Max Q (Reply 30): The new Queen of the skies, forget boring twins. Indeed, behind the King A380 she is the better looking Queen of the Skies.
71 BandA : Same here!
72 Afterburner : If look is more important for cargo airlines, why didn't cargo airlines use Concorde?
73 EcuadorianMD11 : Because Concorde is ugly? A jet fighter wanna be!! Well said, so true! I´m glad this legend lives on.............hope that more airlines will put th
74 Afterburner : Aha! You would rather date Kristie Alley than Megan Fox. I'm afraid with current economic situation it's quite unlikely that airlines will order airc
75 BeakerLTN : Is that really right? - the KC-135 came before the 707?! All those childhood years watching them thunder down the runway* at Mildenhall and I never r
76 EcuadorianMD11 : ?????????? Anyway, moving back to sanity again..........please: Yep, I know.........unfortunately that´s what I´m witnessing too! I just hope......
77 Spacecadet : No chance on the former, debatable on the latter. I don't think I'm alone in thinking the Concorde never really looked its best close to the ground,
78 Pnwtraveler : I always chose just behind door 1 on AC's 747's where the executive first continued in that second small compartment. The ceiling heights there were
79 United787 : Exciting to see the progress of the 748 but does anyone find it a little odd that Boeing decided to do PR before body join, I would think the body joi
80 Ikramerica : LH is hardly a reliable source for information about the 748 in some people's minds. I mean, not only will they never put 420 seats in it (just not p
81 EcuadorianMD11 : Well put! Unfortunately, like mister Ali, the 747 sales seem equally shakey! All good things must come to an end perhaps? I applaud any 747-8 order,
82 ER757 : I don't think it's the 747 per se' - he's stated many times that he loves the 747. I think it's the 747-8i in particular that he has a hard time with
83 Viscount724 : Yes, the KC-135 first flew and went into service more than a year before the 707. KC-135: First flight - August 31, 1956 In service - June 1957 707-1
84 Tdscanuck : At least 4, actually. LH plus assorted VIP's. Yes. First came the Dash 80, which begat the KC-135. Then they wanted something wider than the DC-8 for
85 Post contains links N14AZ : Flightblogger mentioned yesterday on his webpage some rumours about a potential "second" customer (meaning a second non-VIP client): http://www.fligh
86 CCA : After doing a lot of research I managed to find some of the commonalities & differences between the -400 and the -8. -Taxi-map (option) -Global naviga
87 Columba : I have been looking forward for another customer for ages, I hope there is more to this rumor. It is about time !!!!
88 Frigatebird : I've heard some rumors that CX may order a replacement for their oldest 744's this year. But I also believe that the A380 will be the clear favorite
89 Post contains links and images Columba : I am thinking Qatar: They are not pleased with the 787 delay, have A350s on order, have been rumored to be interested in the 747-8I so changing their
90 Flood : All else aside, I don't see Al Baker wanting to make Boeing's day by switching his order to -8's.
91 Columba : If Boeing makes him an offer he can not refuse he might.....
92 Stitch : Arik Air placed an LoI for four 747-8s at Farnborough 2008, along with an order for seven additional 737NGs. However, that LoI has yet to be firmed,
93 JAL : Nice model! I just hope Boeing has better luck with the 747-8 than with the 787!
94 Post contains links Spacecadet : Well, yeah... obviously I was thinking more the Ali of around this era. But that's well in the past now, as is the 747's prime. And to continue the b
95 Caljn : Mike Tyson is spot on. I had the priveledge of witnessing a QF A380 arrive at LAX the other day while driving the south 405 fwy and if that isn't one
96 Pellegrine : Anything to take press away from the Disastreliner 787. I want one. Me too. " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...gger/ Gaud I hope
97 Afterburner : Not a bad idea, if it is OK for them to be pissed-off twice.
98 Buzz100ca : I had the pleasure of seeing the 747-8 Freighter on the Factory Tour last week. At the time the horizontal stabilizer was being installed as well as p
99 Na : High time. It would be the most sought-after order of the year. At least from aviation enthusiasts. I hope for an influential blue chip carrier pavin
100 Ikramerica : Left field is that VS will junk their A380 and 787 orders both. They will instead trade their 15 787 orders for 10+5 748 orders/options, and their 6+6
101 EcuadorianMD11 : Hope you´re right!! Let the legend live on!!! Ecuadorian MD11.
102 Columba : Would be blow for both the 787 and the A380 so nothing the Airbus and Boeing fan boys can be proud off. For me as a 747 fan it would be great seeing
103 Ikramerica : I don't think it's too much of a blow to either. While the A380 needs all the orders it has, the VS order is not pending delivery, as they are findin
104 TaromA380 : Just one tehnical question : how did Boeing solve the engine clearance question ? The new engines are larger than the 744's.
105 Post contains links Zeke : The 330 seat LH configuration will no longer exist soon, they started in March this year removing 2 rows of business seats (14 seats) and replacing t
106 Stitch : The 747-400's inboard nacelles are between .93 and .71 meters off the ground. While Boeing's ACAP has yet to provide clearance data, that appears to
107 Tdscanuck : The 744 also has pylons that put the engines far lower relative to the wing than any other Boeing...they might have redesigned the pylon to be more 7
108 Babybus : I bet the guys at LH are feeling pretty embarrassed about being the only operator of this 'new' aircraft. I'll tell you the truth, I'm having a giggle
109 Ikramerica : I'm pretty sure 737NG engines are closer than that. Same old, same old...
110 Racko : Why would they care? Maintenance is done by LH Technik anyway, the aircraft is probably dead cheap as Boeing was desperate for a blue chip customer,
111 Frigatebird : Plus, they'll have a good value as possible converted freighters as well. Something that can't be said for 77W's or A346's... I wonder if that was al
112 Osteogenesis : Why should they? They will have the correct plane for each type of mission. When the economy picks up and LH can choose between A380, 747-400. 747-80
113 PC12Fan : I have no link to back it up, but I remember a Lufthansa official talking about the -400 and it's lack of fly-by-wire technology. His statement in a
114 Stitch : And yet they continue to doggedly stick by it, even though it will be the only non-Airbus plane in their mainline fleet (currently). Not to mention t
115 ArabAirX : Did LH feel the same when they were the sole customer for the 737? LH knows more than yourself on this 747-8i deal and they're probably giggling at y
116 EcuadorianMD11 : I´d be!! Good buy! Ecuadorian MD11.
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