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User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12710 times:

It's been a while since one heard of new routes from Emirates. They used to spit out new destinations... Anyone have any idea on which ones will come next?


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12674 times:

I think NRT is most likely for 2010, with the increase in slots as a result of the runway extension, but other than that, not sure. I think they're in consolidation mode now, as are most carriers.

User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12634 times:

For 2009 it's Durban and Luanda. We've also increased services to India (pretty significantly) and several destinations in South East Asia (such as KUL, CGK and MNL) and will continue to do so through the end of the year. There are still rumors mucking about regarding a couple of potential new routes this year that haven't been announced, we'll see what happens. NRT is slated for 2010. Several routes will see upgrades to the A380 such as SIN, ICN, FCO, CDG and one more of the LHR flights.


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User currently offlineNcfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

There are strong suggestions that MAN will get a 3rd daily soon.

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12353 times:

AMS will get one. The AMS-Asia market and AMS-DXB are huge. For a long time I've been sending my clients to DUS where they can board EK C class for KLM Y fare, and F for a C fare.. And they all kept on using it since then.


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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12308 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 2):
For 2009 it's Durban and Luanda.

Forgive me for not remembering, but wasn't Durban planned and/or announced several years ago and then postponed? Or am I thinking of something completely different?

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
AMS will get one. The AMS-Asia market and AMS-DXB are huge. For a long time I've been sending my clients to DUS where they can board EK C class for KLM Y fare, and F for a C fare.. And they all kept on using it since then.

This was discussed pretty thoroughly not too long ago right here on A.net: EK To AMS - Why Not? (by CV990Coronado Jul 15 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4484289&searchid=4488666&s=EK+AMS#ID4488666

Question:

What new airframes will EK receive in the rest of 2009 and in 2010? Will any existing aircraft leave the fleet?


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12910 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12291 times:
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Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 2):
Several routes will see upgrades to the A380 such as SIN, ICN, FCO, CDG and one more of the LHR flights.

Its a good time to focus on reducing CASM. Thanks for the 'heads up.'

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7514 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12227 times:

I keep wondering about IAD and ORD. Seems like logical next choices for the US.


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12910 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12060 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
I keep wondering about IAD and ORD. Seems like logical next choices for the US.

UA flies those routes already. In this environment, I would guess MIA would be next. However, I would not rush to launch ULH in this low premium environment. We might not see any new routes to the Americas for a few years.  Sad Or until Canada changes the bilateral!  duck   flamed 

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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12036 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 8):

MIA? Seriously? MIA-DXB in the current environment?

UA977 routes ORD-IAD (on an Airbus narrowbody) - DXB (777). So there is no nonstop service ORD-DXB.

If Emirates were to start flying to IAD or ORD, I suspect UA would find its market share on the route plummet due to EK's onboard product alone. And I say this despite the fact that I actually like flying UA.


User currently onlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2858 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11958 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 9):

If Emirates were to start flying to IAD or ORD, I suspect UA would find its market share on the route plummet due to EK's onboard product alone. And I say this despite the fact that I actually like flying UA.

I'm not so sure. US diplomats and other gov't employees will have no choice but to stick with the American option, whilst people headed to Dubai from the likes of Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Seattle, etc. will find it easier to connect on one carrier for their entire journey than switch airlines midway. UA now has a very competitive product internationally, although the 777 (which flies the IAD-DXB route) has yet to be upgraded. Once it is, UA should be up to par, no?



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12910 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11895 times:
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Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 9):
So there is no nonstop service ORD-DXB.

My mistake. Then ORD would be the next logical market.

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7514 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11882 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 8):
UA flies those routes already. In this environment, I would guess MIA would be next. However, I would not rush to launch ULH in this low premium environment. We might not see any new routes to the Americas for a few years. Sad Or until Canada changes the bilateral!

Ive heard from a friend at EK that MIA isnt on the radar yet. It will be a while before we see MIA-DXB.



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11872 times:

I bet this ones could do well:
-Kinshasa
-Antananarivo
-Denpasar/Bali
-Kathmandu
-Ankara


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11789 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 10):
I'm not so sure. US diplomats and other gov't employees will have no choice but to stick with the American option, whilst people headed to Dubai from the likes of Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Seattle, etc. will find it easier to connect on one carrier for their entire journey than switch airlines midway. UA now has a very competitive product internationally, although the 777 (which flies the IAD-DXB route) has yet to be upgraded. Once it is, UA should be up to par, no?

Yes, and no. Generally, I'm the first to agree with A.nutters who point out that foreign carriers aren't bound to defeat U.S. carriers -- because the U.S. carriers' premium product is actually quite good, because of the inherent advantages of the U.S. network carriers' hub-and-spoke route structures, and because of government travelers. All of these are excellent arguments, and you make them well.

But I suspect that in markets such as U.S.A.-DXB, Emirates will always have an advantage. Why? Well, first, government travelers usually aren't exactly high-yield -- at least so far as I can see (because if they were, then UA would be in the best position of any U.S. airline with its IAD hub and DCA ops, given the fact that Washington, D.C. is one of the few "bright" spots in the U.S. economy [and by bright, I mean "less dim"]).

Second, while U.S. passengers are likely to stick with a U.S. carrier because of frequent-flyer program loyalty and connection possibilities, I venture to suggest that the real market isn't so much U.S.A.-DXB as DXB-U.S.A. In other words, I suspect EK would do quite well carrying premium pax from the Gulf, the Subcontinent, and other EK strongholds through DXB to the U.S. Whether or not this traffic flow will dominate over the long term is debatable (and I am happy if you disagree, since I can see both sides of the matter) but for the next five years I suspect there are more high-net-worth individuals and executives in the Gulf, the Subcontinent, and the rest of EK's DXB "catchment area" (speaking in the broad sense, rather than the traditional narrow sense -- points over 1,000 nm that still have a logical flow through DXB/AUH) interested in coming to the U.S., rather than vice versa.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 11):
Then ORD would be the next logical market.

I'm with you.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11421 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11754 times:
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I just see EK trying to consolidate what they have. Of course, with more A380 to come, i believe they will make small changes on their schedules, rather than open new routes right now.


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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11744 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
with more A380 to come, i believe they will make small changes on their schedules

Probably true. Is EK expected to retire/sell/lease out any equipment with the new A380s coming on line?


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11709 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
AMS will get one. The AMS-Asia market and AMS-DXB are huge.

AMS is successful being a connecting hub. I doubt there is a strong O&D market out of AMS. I dont think AMS is logical for EK.......


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11514 times:



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 17):
I doubt there is a strong O&D market out of AMS.

There is a very strong O & D market out of AMS, but not necessarily to DXB or to EK's classic connecting destinations for passengers ex-Europe: in the Subcontinent, southeast Asia, and Australasia.

EK at AMS was discussed in great detail not one week ago right here on A.net: EK To AMS - Why Not? (by CV990Coronado Jul 15 2009 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11430 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
There is a very strong O & D market out of AMS, but not necessarily to DXB or to EK's classic connecting destinations for passengers ex-Europe: in the Subcontinent, southeast Asia, and Australasia.

That is what i meant. O&D for ME/Subcontinent........

On that note, if I may ask, how is the O&D out of AMS for AUS/NZ....?

Is there a bias towards any particular region among the Dutch travellers...? For eg: there is no EK presence in the Iberian peninsula, particulalry due to the fact that majority of the O&D out of there is bound to LatAm or NAm.......


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11215 times:



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 19):
That is what i meant. O&D for ME/Subcontinent........

Sorry, I misunderstood... I thought you meant total O&D market for all destinations.....

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 19):
Is there a bias towards any particular region among the Dutch travellers...?

Although I am not Dutch, I suspect that the three largest O&D markets -- broadly speaking -- from AMS are:

1. North America (for reasons of commerce, and because there are a fair number of people of Dutch birth or ancestry in the northern US and in Canada)

2. The East Indies, particularly Indonesia and Malaysia (as Indonesia was once a Dutch colony)

3. The Caribbean, as Aruba and Curacao remain Dutch colonies

I hope some of the Dutch A.netters can correct and amplify my hypotheses.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9181 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11179 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
Quoting AirIndia (Reply 17):
I doubt there is a strong O&D market out of AMS.

There is a very strong O & D market out of AMS, but not necessarily to DXB or to EK's classic connecting destinations for passengers ex-Europe: in the Subcontinent, southeast Asia, and Australasia.

funny I always meet Dutch people when in DXB. All these artificial islands and many more things there are made with the help of Dutch engineers. KL must do pretty good on the route without competition.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5213 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

I know that this is not strictly related, but Surfandsnow suggested that the American government traffic always goes with the American airlines. As an aside, US Govt traffic to Australia goes with QF, despite the fact that UA is very established on the route and DL have now started up as well.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11090 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
There is a very strong O & D market out of AMS, but not necessarily to DXB or to EK's classic connecting destinations for passengers ex-Europe: in the Subcontinent, southeast Asia, and Australasia.

And the Middle East and Africa. And Dubai itself - a major tourist centre. OK, not about the Dutch, but Dubai is now the second most popular destination for Brits.

I hate stabbing in the dark without forecasting figures and whatnot, but what about Taipei? It might also have decent cargo demand. Not sure, but worth mentioning!



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10393 times:



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
I know that this is not strictly related, but Surfandsnow suggested that the American government traffic always goes with the American airlines. As an aside, US Govt traffic to Australia goes with QF, despite the fact that UA is very established on the route and DL have now started up as well.

Why is that? Isn't that unfair competition? All US airlines are public companies right? Not government owned. Shouldn't tax money be spend on the lowest fare on a certain route?

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25 Gemuser : Not strictly true RyanairGuru. US government traffic USA-Oz/NZ travels on AA (and I'd bet some on UA) not QF. It might be a QF aircraft, but that US
26 Nickofatlanta : I think the Government puts out tenders for US airlines to make bids for their business on certain routes - similar to corporate contracts with airlin
27 Flywrite : NCL was supposed to be upgraded to a 777 in the near future, but I heard recently this has been delayed for the foreseable future. I understand the ro
28 Pe@rson : Not picking a fight or whatever, but how do you know what without inside information? And only certain people within an airline would know route perf
29 Bralo20 : Don't forget the Belgians who actually made the artificual islands
30 Flywrite : It was in an official press release from EK and NCL a while back. I'll post it when I find it.
31 Hardiwv : I agree and think that the opening of NRT will come with the GRU double daily operations. I fully agree with you. As you said, a lot of Netherlands-b
32 SASDC8 : I would love to see EK enter the Scandinavian marked, but realistically I think that it would not be in the next 3 years. IMHO EK will expand and stra
33 Directorguy : Would there be any runway issues? Hmm. Kinshasa might work. DPS-not sure-since it's a low-yield tourist route. KTM has been discussed-there are sever
34 Hardiwv : I think AMS and Scandinavian destinations especially OSL must be seriously under consideration by EK. Rgs,
35 LipeGIG : I don't expect EK to reduce their fleet at this point. But they might consider tags to strength operations. It's difficult to try to predict what EK,
36 Pe@rson : Was previously served but then withdrawn. For your post, I am to book you onto its three-stop service from DXB to CHC via BKK and SYD and make you do
37 MAH4546 : Miami market is one of the strongest internationally right now - alongside Houston and Washington, D.C.. Not saying MIA-DXB is smart to launch right
38 Robbie86 : Don't they do Dubai-Cyprus-Malta? They are also increasing Dubai-Male-Colombo. So no, 1-stops is still a thing of the present.
39 Johruk : So I ask everytime there is a whiff of new routes on EK, as I really hope to see them in BRS at some stage...But I was thinking, do you think that a '
40 Directorguy : You obviously have a handful of 1-stop flights but they're increasingly rare. As recent as the early 1990, most Gulf-Europe flights were 1 stops, or
41 Gkirk : With a 777 yes. The A330 is much better suited for NCL. BRS runway is too short for an A332 goingnonstop to DXB. Can't see it doubling up either. CWL
42 CaliAtenza : I do have to say this about EK traffic ex LAX. Most of the traffic is transiting through DXB is O & D and that too most of it to India. Even on my fli
43 Post contains links and images Legacyins : EK has been flying to IAH for almost two years now Looks Like IAH-DXB Is Going Daily (by LAXdude1023 Sep 24 2007 in Civil Aviation) View Large View M
44 CaliAtenza : oops..strike that then. Then why arent they flying to ORD yet? What other US destinations is EK looking at. I honestly believe Dallas or even Miami (
45 Viscount724 : I'm surprised EK hasn't resurrected earlier plans to serve GVA. It has a lot of high yield traffic. They had announced GVA service 5 or 6 years ago bu
46 SQ_EK_freak : Most probably to compliment the hubbing waves in Dubai. Yes Durban was to begin in 2008 but later delayed. Couple more A380s' with a stream of 777s.
47 SurfandSnow : The whole notion of nonstop vs. one stop/multi-stop flights is an interesting one. For example, flying the JFK-HAM-DXB route presented EK with a uniq
48 SQ_EK_freak : I should also add that I heard about Kinshasa being propositioned (from a Purser I flew with) and apparently security issues made the flight a logisti
49 LH121GLA : I'd like to see the long awaited 2nd daily Glasgow service - although someone on Glasgow Airport Google Groups reckons from an 'official' source that
50 Kaitak : As FlyDubai grows and develops, I'm assuming some current EK routes might be transferred to it, particularly if FZ ends up flying to more EK destinati
51 Directorguy : Good question. I think it's basically marketing, and word-of-mouth. Dubai presented itself as this haven of culture mixed with modernity, sun, low ta
52 Gemuser : Hey! I'll be on that flight (from SYD) to DXB via BKK, then on to VCE. That's a flight that would require 2 stops on just about any airline/flight, (
53 Viscount724 : I wouldn't call a connection as "well served". DXB is much larger hub than AUH and DOH and with the large international community in GVA travelling a
54 Nomorerjs : I've heard the same thing about ORD, given the EY announcement and all but announced QR announcement. EY will tie in with AA and QR with UA at ORD. No
55 BA : BEY, AMM, and DAM have a lot of premium traffic to/from DXB, so I don't see EK withdrawing from them in favor of FZ which is a no-frills low-cost air
56 Pe@rson : Yeah, an O&D-based airline with no official connections. It pretty much targets a different audience to EK, as confirmed by management. Despite what
57 Ankaraflyjet : Ankara definetly will do well for EK but they should continue the flight to a third destination from Ankara "ESB". The likely ones could be Sofia as
58 By738 : I hope you realise that was just someone stirring. That group is renowned for it.
59 Gkirk : Indeed. Just another piece of the regular trolling in those groups...
60 Ncfc99 : I hope they continue some of the one stop flights frm DXB to Australia for a long while to come. Having taken 2 trips from the UK to BNE, one on EK 2
61 Lightsaber : Interesting on the speculation. I wonder. KE has not done well NRT-LAX-GRU. (I'm not certain if the route is going to continue or not. Yes, I'm aware
62 CYXUK : Perhaps YYC, due to oil ties?
63 Directorguy : I'll be honest I'm not very familiar with Switzerland and its demographics etc. But if you think that GVA is a large enough market to accomodate so m
64 Abrelosojos : Ok - someone please educate me on EK's DXB-LAD strategy - perhaps oil industry folks (Hardi?) - but where would pax connect onwards to? Does the rest
65 Lightsaber : The more I think about it, most cities EK could open up profitably are ruled out due to bilateral limits already being excercized at their maximum: Ca
66 Abrelosojos : = What happened? Saludos, A.
67 Directorguy : EK seems to have no operational problems down under, but I wonder if its unlimited, or if EK will eventually have to stop at a certain point. No secr
68 MilesDependent : Logical connections to Russia, China and Far East. Oil companies have engineers and other folk there who need to visit LAD for the oil investment hap
69 Airtropolis : Unfortunately, they cancelled the 3 flights per week that were supposed to be converted to A380 flights back in May, so unless these flights are rein
70 Lightsaber : Not unlimited. Maxes out at 3X flights/day per city to Australia for EK. Not to be taken seriously! Its a Southern California beach city expression t
71 AlexEU : Does Air Canada has a right to start flying to UAE? They could do it with their 77L or 77W. Like other African destinations, it provides good links w
72 LipeGIG : You would see more connections for Chinese people working in general at LAD, civil construction, mining industry. I'm not expecting a huge oil activi
73 Hardiwv : This is correct, KLM is doing very well in AMS-Astana A330 because of oil and financial market among others. As a side note, Astana is the destinatio
74 Danfearn77 : Not forgetting MAN is to be introduced to the A380 soon. It is coming in on 7th September for 'testing' with a view to A380 ops starting in Jan 2010.
75 AlexEU : Another good option would be: -Oslo (oil, connecting pax to Asia, Middle East, Africa and Oceania) -any ideas about Mexico City?
76 SQ_EK_freak : That's odd, as far as I know speaking some A380 crew they all mentioned that Singapore was still a go? I also pondered our lack of presence in Centra
77 Ncfc99 : I believe it is limited to 3x daily for SYD, MEL & PER, BNE is 2x daily. Any flights to other destinations other than the big four cities are unlimit
78 Lightsaber : I could be the one wrong. Note: You are correct on ADL, DRW, CNS, and OOL. The issue with OOL would be the routing (no aircraft in EK's fleet can mak
79 Post contains links Airtropolis : Do see this link at the airline route blogspot: http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...s-new-asian-reductions-for-09.html perhaps it will be reinstat
80 Yellowtail : LAD is so restricted that anything new service is a hit. But I would suspect there would be one o 2 transfers from IAH
81 LipeGIG : I was telling about how people from Philippines that use to work on platforms and ships. Some of them are not low yield as they got salaries around $
82 Ek-a380 : I thought it was going to Birmingham and not Manchester - has there been a change here
83 Danfearn77 : You managers hey! If i wer EK i would send it on the midday flight to show it off a bit! I dont have a clue though so its just an excuse to do sod al
84 Post contains links Ek-a380 : What date is it going to MAN and is this going to be replace one of the scheduled services which passengers can book on and fly to DXB on similar to
85 David_itl : " target=_blank>www.emirates.com/uk My gut feeling is that it's an Airbus example as I don't think BHX would be too delighted if EK plonked it on EK1
86 Haan : Here is my on what Emirates will do. The only 2 new destinations we now of is Durban and Luanda in October. Tokyo will probably happen in early 2010 d
87 Danfearn77 : I can understand this but if EK want to send it in on a test flight and it fits in the the MAN schedule then there isnt much else they can do about i
88 AirIndia : DXB-BAKU would probably be a return without a layover as it is under 3 hours..........
89 Fox1 : Not exactly dreadful news for EDI though is it. If there is any UK airport crying out for a direct Middle East service surely it's Scotland's #1 and
90 Gkirk : Not happening though.
91 David_itl : "Crying out for a direct Middle East service"? If that was the sole criterion for gaining routes, MAN would have all it's former routes back and a ho
92 Hardiwv : If you read carefully you will not that I wrote "in general" low yields, which explains why no European airline is interested in MNL, except for KLM
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