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OKC Airport Master Plan Revision/Update  
User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 33
Posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

In today's OCAT (Oklahoma City Airport Trust) 7/22/09 meeting, among other things, they have approved an amendment to OKC's Master Plan File. Scope is 20 years from now.

This is a long PDF file (50MB) and I have only read a few pages.
http://okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/jlw...xkn155/63183607222009011921694.PDF

Key features:


  • 3 Parallel Runways (New runway built west of 17R/35L, 17R/35L will become 17C/35C)

  • East and South Concourses Built making a T-shaped terminal

  • 17L/35R and current 17R/35L will be extended from 9,802ft to 12,000ft, will maintain 150ft width

  • Current 13/31 extended to 10,000ft

  • Property east of Portland Ave. is marked as Aviation use.

  • Taxiways H1, G, and H2 are currently being extended to the fence of Portland Ave. for the above listed use

  • Property west of the new west runway and south of the FAA center marked for aviation use

  • Terminal Ramp extended to account for new South pointing concourse




  • Problem is, OKC will probably never see the kind of demand to account for this expansion, but I am glad to see what the plans are.


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    User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6318 times:



    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Thread starter):
    Problem is, OKC will probably never see the kind of demand to account for this expansion, but I am glad to see what the plans are.

    Are you sure something isn't going on that we don't know about??  scratchchin 



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    User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6315 times:

    You should see HSV's master plan...

    5x parallel all 12,600 ft



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    User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6275 times:



    Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
    Are you sure something isn't going on that we don't know about??

    Probably several things, such as figuring out where they'll get the money; how they'll acquire the property; how they'll get the traffic into the airport to make the expansion worthwhile; etc.

    Has TUL announced similar plans? This sounds like OKC trying to outdo TUL.



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    User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6273 times:



    Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
    Are you sure something isn't going on that we don't know about??

    No.....

    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Thread starter):

    Problem is, OKC will probably never see the kind of demand to account for this expansion, but I am glad to see what the plans are.

    Absolutely right....

    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Thread starter):
    3 Parallel Runways (New runway built west of 17R/35L, 17R/35L will become 17C/35C)

    ooh man 20 years from now I still don't think this is necessary

    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Thread starter):
    East and South Concourses Built making a T-shaped terminal

    get serious....I mean really



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    User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6254 times:



    Quoting Contrails (Reply 3):
    Has TUL announced similar plans? This sounds like OKC trying to outdo TUL.

    Oklahoma City is bigger than the Tulsa area and we've already outdone them in the sense that we have a brand new/modern airport at our disposal.

    Jetmatt777, would the T shaped terminal extend south from about where you come out of security near the WN gates?

    Seems like a TON of capacity. I still don't know what we are going to do with the east terminal once it's finished.

    UAL


    User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 33
    Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6226 times:



    Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):

    I don't know what your attitude is about. It is a plan, not a construction contract. This plan is designed to show HOW expansion will be made IF demand warrants. This isn't saying they are laying down the pavement now, or they will in 20 years. This means, in the next 20 years, if demand warrants, the airport knows what to do to handle it.

    Quoting UAL747 (Reply 5):
    Jetmatt777, would the T shaped terminal extend south from about where you come out of security near the WN gates?

    It will come out in the gap between WN and DL gates.

    Quoting UAL747 (Reply 5):
    Seems like a TON of capacity. I still don't know what we are going to do with the east terminal once it's finished.

    You also have to remember it hasn't even begun to be built yet. They are still drawing the plans and funds, which are scheduled to be done in February of 2010. So, by the time it gets built, the economy and therefore pax demand MAY be on an upswing.

    Quoting Contrails (Reply 3):
    Has TUL announced similar plans? This sounds like OKC trying to outdo TUL.

    Well, OKC is built with expansion in mind. If I remember correctly, Over 8,000 acres are inside the fence, half of which are currently used, and we have flat farm land on virtually all sides. Can't say the same about TUL, it is locked in by buildings and terrain. Most of these projects aren't committed yet, besides the new 9-gate east concourse and light infrastructure improvements. The South Concourse isn't in any current design plans.

    For the record, the new west runway will initially be 7,500x150, with it's main goal to service business jets, G/A, and military ops. If demand warrants from the commercial industry, it will be expanded to a final length of 9,500x150.



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    User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6150 times:



    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 6):
    For the record, the new west runway will initially be 7,500x150, with it's main goal to service business jets, G/A, and military ops. If demand warrants from the commercial industry, it will be expanded to a final length of 9,500x150.

    I'd think that Wiley Post is the preferred business and G/A airport in the city. There used to be Expressway Airpark which we also used, but it's shut down.

    They have been doing a TON of military traffic in and out of OKC lately. Lot's of KC-135's and AWACS....also been seeing groups of fighter jets.

    UAL


    User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1303 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6146 times:



    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 7):
    They have been doing a TON of military traffic in and out of OKC lately. Lot's of KC-135's and AWACS....also been seeing groups of fighter jets.

    E-3 fly transition (touch n goes) at KOKC from KTIK, as it is needed for quals. Clinton-Sherman is another popular airport for transition away from KTIK.



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    User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1884 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6137 times:



    Quoting Contrails (Reply 3):
    This sounds like OKC trying to outdo TUL.

    OKC is ALWAYS trying to outdo TUL. But we also have more flight options than TUL.

    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 7):
    Lot's of KC-135's and AWACS....also been seeing groups of fighter jets.

    Yep...done transition there lots of times, especially later in the evening when TIK is on quiet hours.


    User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2858 posts, RR: 30
    Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

    It's a total shame, really. Cities like Oklahoma City have beautiful airport facilities and ample room to grow, but there just isn't enough demand to support a substantial increase in flights and/or even a small a transit hub (UA's SAT focus city comes to mind). Even so, we have seen UA successfully introduce n/s flights to LAX and IAD, an excellent recent gain for OKC. Maybe next we could see WN add MDW, BNA, or MCO flights. With the NW/DL merger, seeing as how NW maintains mainline to MEM, whilst DL mainline is all gone, maybe DL mainline can return to ATL. Perhaps AirTran could set up shop with flights to Atlanta and/or Orlando. All wishful thinking, but hey, who would have ever thought Oklahoma City would steal an NBA franchise from an iconic global city?  Wink


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    User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1884 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6085 times:



    Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 10):
    With the NW/DL merger, seeing as how NW maintains mainline to MEM, whilst DL mainline is all gone, maybe DL mainline can return to ATL. Perhaps AirTran could set up shop with flights to Atlanta and/or Orlando. All wishful thinking, but hey, who would have ever thought Oklahoma City would steal an NBA franchise from an iconic global city? Wink

    Well, OKC is getting upgraded to ATL to all CR7's starting in the fall. We're getting mainline back to MEM on a MASSIVE upgrade from a CR2 to a D95 on the first flight of the day.

    And you don't know how irritated I am that FL hasn't moved into OKC yet...


    User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 33
    Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6080 times:



    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 7):
    I'd think that Wiley Post is the preferred business and G/A airport in the city. There used to be Expressway Airpark which we also used, but it's shut down.

    PWA is only good for those who live in N. OKC. With the south side building rapidly, it is a pain to drive to PWA, and is a pain to drive to OUN.

    OKC is currently building a 8,500 sq. foot GenAv terminal near the AAR hangars. It will probably have tie downs for transient traffic, but no where for storage unless you can buy a piece of land on the airport and build yourself a hangar.



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    User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
    Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6044 times:



    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 6):
    I don't know what your attitude is about. It is a plan, not a construction contract. This plan is designed to show HOW expansion will be made IF demand warrants. This isn't saying they are laying down the pavement now, or they will in 20 years. This means, in the next 20 years, if demand warrants, the airport knows what to do to handle it.

    It's because they are from RDU. Probably the most overserved market in the country. Seriously though, the attitude was a bit overdone partner.

    Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 10):
    Maybe next we could see WN add MDW, BNA,

    I would love to see some BNA-OKC flights!! Certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings at all!



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    User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
    Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6018 times:



    Quoting Contrails (Reply 3):
    how they'll acquire the property

    Its already going on the existing foot print of the airport which offers plenty of room for this expansion.

    Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 4):
    ooh man 20 years from now I still don't think this is necessary

    Like others said, the new runway is going to be geared towards general and military aviation. It will replace the current 18/36 which is part of a taxiway that the military uses from time to time.

    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 7):
    I'd think that Wiley Post is the preferred business and G/A airport in the city. There used to be Expressway Airpark which we also used, but it's shut down.

    Wiley Post has a lot of upgrades coming as well I believe. Didn't read that part of the report. Downtown Airpark is being redeveloped into a residential area with boat docks, canals, a ferris wheel, some shops and I believe a lot of park/recreation areas.

    Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):
    And you don't know how irritated I am that FL hasn't moved into OKC yet...

    I wonder if WRWA or the Airport Trust has even thought about talking to AirTran.


    User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6010 times:



    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Thread starter):
    Problem is, OKC will probably never see the kind of demand to account for this expansion, but I am glad to see what the plans are.

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but I would imagine it would make a really good domestic hub for someone being that OKC is the direct centre of the USA. I don't know why somebody (B6,FL, hell maybe even AS) haven't looked at this incredible opportunity?



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    User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 33
    Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5992 times:



    Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 15):
    Forgive me if I am wrong, but I would imagine it would make a really good domestic hub for someone being that OKC is the direct centre of the USA. I don't know why somebody (B6,FL, hell maybe even AS) haven't looked at this incredible opportunity?

    That's what I really want the Trust to get this approved and begin building the new 9 gate concourse ASAP. By the time it is done, we may be able to catch the economy in it's rebound, if it does, and we have 11 gates (New Concourse + 2 empty gates now) that are sitting empty, someone would snatch them up if they could make a small focus city or mini (emphasis on mini) hub work.



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    User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5983 times:



    Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 14):
    Wiley Post has a lot of upgrades coming as well I believe. Didn't read that part of the report. Downtown Airpark is being redeveloped into a residential area with boat docks, canals, a ferris wheel, some shops and I believe a lot of park/recreation areas.

    Any news on when construction is going to start on the Devon Building? I thought the finish date was going to be around 2013, but that's cutting it pretty close for an 80 story building that hasn't even had a ground breaking yet. Anyway, yeah, I forget about Downtown Airpark. When did it shut down? I can see it from my window and I've flown out of it a few times with my dad when I was a kid.

    Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 15):
    Forgive me if I am wrong, but I would imagine it would make a really good domestic hub for someone being that OKC is the direct centre of the USA. I don't know why somebody (B6,FL, hell maybe even AS) haven't looked at this incredible opportunity?

    I have always wondered why it isn't used as some sort of hub, or hasn't been looked at at least. The airport plans would make it bigger than DAL I believe, and it's one of the nicest smaller airports in the US. I think with the coming growth of the City of Oklahoma City and surrounding areas, someone might move in, but it won't be a legacy, something new, or LCC.

    UAL


    User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
    Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5974 times:



    Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 15):
    Forgive me if I am wrong, but I would imagine it would make a really good domestic hub for someone being that OKC is the direct centre of the USA. I don't know why somebody (B6,FL, hell maybe even AS) haven't looked at this incredible opportunity?

    Location is good, but the O&D isn't there yet. The area is continuing fairly decent double digit population growth and has a strong forward thinking leadership group in charge. As the city continues to improve services (new mass transit system being one) and the economy continues to grow, the population will eventually follow that can support any focus city operation. Also if your follow any local message boards, a good number of folks still continue to drive to ICT, DFW, TUL, etc for lower fares. it would be interesting to see the impact of FL or B6 on the market.

    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 17):
    Any news on when construction is going to start on the Devon Building? I thought the finish date was going to be around 2013, but that's cutting it pretty close for an 80 story building that hasn't even had a ground breaking yet.

    Devon Tower will be 54-stories but will go up to 925 ft...so those are going to be some decent sized floors. Ground breaking on the first part of the project starts this fall. At least it is fully paid for already.

    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 17):
    Anyway, yeah, I forget about Downtown Airpark. When did it shut down? I can see it from my window and I've flown out of it a few times with my dad when I was a kid.

    I think it has been closed for a couple years now if I remember right. This the developer for The Waterfront project at the old Airpark. http://www.humphreysco.com/#/projects/the-waterfront/


    User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5959 times:



    Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 18):

    In my opinion, I think the O&D numbers would climb once someone moves in and makes a go of it. I think it would also make a fantastic hub even if O&D numbers don't climb a whole lot, especially on an east to west connection base, but I'm no beancounter, just have a little bit of vision.(sarcasm)



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    User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1884 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

    The only things OKC has going for it as a hub/focus city operation for any airline are the centralized location and the decent weather year round. Sure we get the occasional ice storm once every winter and are world famous for our monster thunderstorms (and associated hail/tornadoes), but it's rare that they affect OKC ops. Other than that, the O&D numbers are gonna have to skyrocket for any airline to give us a serious look.

    User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5914 times:



    Quoting Ual747 (Reply 17):
    The airport plans would make it bigger than DAL I believe, and it's one of the nicest smaller airports in the US

    It'll be nice when the new terminal is finished.  Wink

    If ExpressJet's branded operations were still around, I wonder how that'd be working out for OKC? I bet OKC would still have SAN, ONT, SMF, ABQ, SAT, and AUS. Maybe we would have seen the addition of COS, MSY, RDU, and SDF. Although, ExpressJet probably would have needed to allow for connections to make that work out well.



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    User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
    Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

    OKC has always came across to me as a good airport and the city has always fascinated me. I may need to make a trip back down there to do some exploring and photo work!!! Would love to capture the new tower once it starts going up and the airport!!! Danny Fritsche (sp??) is from there and is a terrific photographer!


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    User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 33
    Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5855 times:



    Quoting Lexy (Reply 22):
    Danny Fritsche (sp??) is from there and is a terrific photographer!

    Yeah, he is definitely a good photographer, but if I remember correctly, he is in TUL.  Smile

    Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 14):
    I wonder if WRWA or the Airport Trust has even thought about talking to AirTran.

    In the OCAT files, there have been several files marked "Confidential" over the past 4-5 meetings. Whether or not this has anything to do with new air service or a behind the scenes deal with an airline or company is beyond me. But something is being held secret, for the time being at least.

    All of the sudden, OKC has invested a lot of money and time to construction projects in the past year:

  • Taxiway outlets built on H1, H2, and G east of H

  • New Parking Garage

  • New General Aviation Terminal

  • PAPI lights on 13/31

  • Approval of east concourse construction and funds awarded: Pending total cost and design which will be completed FEB2010



  • OKC is normally pretty conservative when it comes to spending money on airports. I believe something is going on, to all the sudden decide to build 9 new gates, lead-ins to a new east-side taxiway system, and a new parking garage. Why would we build 9 new gates if we knew no one would use them?



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    User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1884 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5835 times:



    Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 23):

    # PAPI lights on 13/31

    THANK GOD! I cannot tell you how much I've wished for those to be there during VFR approaches when I'm doing transition work.


    25 Ual747 : Considering that TUL is a relic and OKC is not, I'd say so. I hope, before I die, we have OKC-LHR service! HA. That would be fantastic! I'm 29, so th
    26 Contrails : Good luck. Don't give up on your dreams.
    27 Ual747 : HAHA! Maybe my dreams shouldn't be so lofty. How about regular widebody service from OKC. UAL
    28 AWACSooner : The link in the OP doesn't work...can someone post a valid link please?
    29 SANFan : Exactly! The weather in OKC is no worse than most other hubs and that doesn't seem to be a big factor anyway when airlines select hubs. I would bet a
    30 Sancho99504 : I think B6 could do wonders immediately with its operations if they started a hub type operation at OKC, especially with travel times east to west al
    31 AWACSooner : Great on paper...but if someone like B6 was to hub here, it would rely almost solely on connecting traffic.
    32 Sancho99504 : I don't mean to sound rude, but don't most hubs rely on connecting traffic? I know a few of them have a huge O&D market to fall back on, but indeed i
    33 AWACSooner : Sancho, you are correct, but these hub airports are mostly around 25-40% O/D traffic with the rest connecting. Even though the OKC metro area has mor
    34 Post contains links Jetmatt777 : http://okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/r4r...vxjjie/63183407252009010526366.PDF If that doesn't work, then go to www.okc.gov On the Left Side, hit "Meeting
    35 Post contains links Ouboy79 : " target=_blank>www.okc.gov More direct: http://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/meeting...BLISHED_MEETINGS&ftr=0&docid=16749
    36 Ual747 : Looks like OKC will be getting moving walkways and is in talks with United for a 2nd daily LAX service and possible SFO service. I'm wondering why LAX
    37 AWACSooner : OKC actually HAD 2 daily n/s to LAX for awhile there, but they lost one a little over a year ago due to the economic downturn. SFO would be nice...bu
    38 Okie : Most of the migration towards California stopped many a year ago and the family relationship connection is separated by several generations now. Not
    39 SANFan : Not the least bit surprising; I'd guess people are leaving the Golden State in great numbers these days, and going everywhere in the U.S. But, as has
    40 AWACSooner : God what I wouldn't give to be back there living through that right now...freaking deployments!
    41 Sancho99504 : LOL, I love a good winter storm, but I hate the ice. Makes it very hard to keep a lightly loaded 53ft trailer directly behind you. Where are you depl
    42 Ual747 : I think he's making a reference to the mass exodus of Oklahomans during the Dust Bowl. Steinbeck wrote a book called "The Grapes of Wrath" which is p
    43 AWACSooner : Can't say...at least not til after I get back home. It's that MAPS program that really reinvigorated the Bricktown area.
    44 Post contains links and images Ouboy79 : Where are these tornado filled summers (actually should be springs) at? Its been pretty boring here for those that look forward to chase season. I ha
    45 Super80DFW : OKC had a 600am and a 700pm departure to LAX IIRC. The 600am departure seems to be the smartest to me for earlier connections, and the NRT flight. Wh
    46 AWACSooner : I know...there hasn't been a decent one in that area since my freshman year at OU back in 2001-2. That's gonna be a huge IF. I doubt it'll happen for
    47 Jetmatt777 : You're telling me. I haven't had a chase since last season.
    48 Ouboy79 : This was my 2nd season off since things have just been so dead. Even has gone as far to get rid of the mobile internet card. I wonder if the scanner
    49 AWACSooner : I hadn't gone on a chase in over five years (due to the rigorous tasks of finishing up my degree...then subsequently going into the USAF)...I finally
    50 Ual747 : Sorry, I did not read correctly. It was an approval for funds to have the existing moving walkways serviced as well as the elevators. My bad.... UAL
    51 Jetmatt777 : I believe they will add two more elevators and another moving walkway that will connect the tunnel to the new parking garage set to open later this y
    52 AWACSooner : Wow...an Oklahoma construction project actually done on time! Oh thank God...cause those elevators are old enough to be registered on the list of nat
    53 Super80DFW : Does the Master Plan include space for an airline club or two? Better to have the space for one when/if an airline wants to build one than not to.
    54 SLCUT2777 : It would be nice if DL could offer at least one mainline (MD-90, 738, A320, A319) flight to their SLC hub. I'm just not sure CRJ service via OO will g
    55 Jetmatt777 : When they began construction it was scheduled for July 19 2009 or something along those lines. September is the new scheduled date. The Master Plan d
    56 AWACSooner : CVG's always been on CR2's. The occasional CR7 and CR9 has been thrown into the mix lately (and a few ER4's), but I expect OKC to lose all CVG servic
    57 Ual747 : Flew this back in 1999 and it was a 737-200. Just FYI . From reading the minutes of the meetings, the planners seem to be worried about WN after the
    58 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : This seems rediculously over ambitious for OKC personally. Does anyone have O&D information for OKC? I can't even see it being a small hub for an LCC.
    59 AWACSooner : Oh ok...I've lived in Norman on and off since 2001...and the figures I put out were what I can remember since then. Why would they be worried about O
    60 Ual747 : Because several flights go through OKC with other ending destinations because of the Wright Amendment. They are worried that some of our destinations
    61 Super80DFW : That is partially wrong, and partially right. The demand for an OKC-MIA flight is there, but AA/MQ don't have the right planes to operate it. The ER4
    62 AWACSooner : That is true, as I had to fly to DFW and MIA to get to where I'm currently deployed to. Really? Like where? MCI, STL and HOU are already covered from
    63 Ouboy79 : Yeah like others said, CVG use to actually be mainline. It started out at 2 73Ss in the morning - 7 and 10am...it then saw upgrades to M88s as well.
    64 BeakerLTN : ahh.. memories of OKC.. spent 2 months out there a while back working at the FAA centre. Had a fantastic time sitting in my room at the embassy suites
    65 AWACSooner : At least someone gets a thrill out of it...it becomes incredibly boring for us really quick. But we've got to keep our currencies up. Please tell me
    66 Ouboy79 : Speaking of which, do you guys really have to buzz my house in East Norman so low? :-P Granted, at least you aren't as loud as the B52s when they com
    67 Jetmatt777 : Depends what you define small as. I enjoy it, I live a few miles SE of OKC, so in south flow you guys begin crosswind to downwind turns over my house
    68 AWACSooner : Hey...my wife loves it when I buzz our house in NE Norman...except when we're coming in late at night.
    69 BeakerLTN : Oh I certainly did! - and would have had the Mountain Oysters if they still did them! On asking for them, the waiter sat down beside me, put his arm
    70 AWACSooner : We used to have the plain-jane 707's...but we got rid of em back around 2001. Besides, it's an entirely different kind of flying once you attach a fl
    71 ERJ170 : Overserved? really? interesting.. I would not have thought it but it would be interesting to know what other people think. I personally think more se
    72 Slcdeltarumd11 : I can only see all of this as raising prices for airlines at the airport and actually hurting the service they already have or else the taxpayers will
    73 Lexy : Well, considering the OP wasn't asking anything about this I would rather that question be posed in thread of its own. Wouldn't you agree?
    74 Jetmatt777 : Question 1: We get UA: 733,735,A319,A320, occasional UA 752;Rgnl: CRJ, ERJ F9: A318,A319,DH8D CO:737,735; Rgnl: ERJ WN: 733,735,737 AA: M80;Rgnl: ERJ
    75 AWACSooner : Hmmm, based upon what I was reading, it sounds like they want to move ahead with the new eastern 9-gate concourse in anticipation of the eventual eco
    76 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : To answer my question it looks like the largest scheduled passenger commercial plane to regularly land in OKC is the A320???? This seems like a prett
    77 Post contains images Jetmatt777 : No, the 9 gate concourse is in the short term plans, being built by 2012-13. It is a committed project. We aren't really a regional airport either. W
    78 AWACSooner : Shhhh....no one cares, remember? OKC is NEVER supposed to be ambitious and plan for the future. We're supposed to have our projects wait until the pr
    79 AWACSooner : I know of the occasional 752 that UA sends from DEN...but the next largest mainline jets I've seen from UA are 733's and 319's. I have never seen a r
    80 Jetmatt777 : Normally comes in on the same weeks as the 752. We might get the 752 a few days a week in the summer, and on the other days it's a babybus or A320. B
    81 AWACSooner : Yah, cause right now the 5x flights we have to DEN each day are 2 CR7, 2 733 and 1 319. ORD is 4 CR7. LAX and IAD are each 1 CR7.
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