Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 8253 times:
As always this is a comparison to what was for sale the prior week and not the prior year. Seasonal changes are gradually implemented in the selling schedule.
Some examples of how to read this:
JFK-CUN 2>1 NOV, JAN means that service was reduced from 2 roundtrips to 1 roundtrip for November and January, but not December.
MCO-SJU 4.5>5.5 NOV- means service increased by 1 roundtrip through infinity or at least the next several months.
Also, please keep in mind that more and more flights don't operate daily (even weekdays) so I often round the number of departures based upon a week or a month.
Please excuse the capitalization.
Big spot cancel programs were loaded this week for most U.S. airlines making September look like swiss cheese. Many flights don't operate on random days.
NW
HDN-MSP 2/WK>1 DEC- REVERSES PRIOR CHANGE
MSP-SGF RESUME 0>1 NOV- REVERSES PRIOR CHANGE, SERVICE NOW SUSPENDED FROM MID-AUG UNTIL NOV
UA
THE FOLLOWING CHANGES ARE LOADED FROM OCT-DEC, BUT THEY MAY BE PERMANENT AFTER THE NEXT 2010 SKED UPDATE
BDL-IAD 5>4
DEN-DTW 2>3
BHM-DEN 2>1
BIS-DEN 4>3
BOS-ORD 9>10
BWI-ORD 6>5
LAX-ORD 9>11
MDT-ORD 5>4
PDX-ORD 5>4
SYR-ORD 5>6
YEG-ORD 3>2
YVR-ORD 4>3
ORD-ICT 4>5
DEN-GRR 2>1
DEN-LAX 10>8
DEN-MIA 0>1 START DATE MOVED UP FROM DEC
DEN-MSO 4>3
DEN-PSC 2>3
DEN-PSP 4>3
DEN-TPA 2>1
DEN-XNA 3>2
GRB-ORD 2>1
IAD-MCO 4>5
IAD-MSY 2>3
IAD-PIT 5>4
SFO-BFL 2>3
SFO-PHX 4>5
SFO-PSP 2>3
SFO-NRT 2>1 OCT-
SFO-LHR 2>1 OCT-
ORD-MEX CXLD; SEASONAL XMAS SERVICE ELIMINATED
IAD-YHZ CXLD 1>0 OCT-
IAD-PEK CXLD 1>0 OCT- SUPPOSEDLY SEASONAL
IAD-DME 1>4/WK OCT-
IAD-GIG CXLD; NOW ONLY OPERATES AT XMAS WAS DUE TO START DAILY IN OCT
WP
ITO-OGG CXLD 1>0 AUG-
YX
DCA-MKE 5>4 SEP- SLOT MOVED TO REP?
LAX-MKE 1>2 OCT-
Amwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 8205 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): UA
THE FOLLOWING CHANGES ARE LOADED FROM OCT-DEC, BUT THEY MAY BE PERMANENT AFTER THE NEXT 2010 SKED UPDATE
BDL-IAD 5>4
DEN-DTW 2>3
BHM-DEN 2>1
BIS-DEN 4>3
BOS-ORD 9>10
BWI-ORD 6>5
LAX-ORD 9>11
MDT-ORD 5>4
PDX-ORD 5>4
SYR-ORD 5>6
YEG-ORD 3>2
YVR-ORD 4>3
ORD-ICT 4>5
DEN-GRR 2>1
DEN-LAX 10>8
DEN-MIA 0>1 START DATE MOVED UP FROM DEC
DEN-MSO 4>3
DEN-PSC 2>3
DEN-PSP 4>3
DEN-TPA 2>1
DEN-XNA 3>2
GRB-ORD 2>1
IAD-MCO 4>5
IAD-MSY 2>3
IAD-PIT 5>4
SFO-BFL 2>3
SFO-PHX 4>5
SFO-PSP 2>3
SFO-NRT 2>1 OCT-
SFO-LHR 2>1 OCT-
ORD-MEX CXLD; SEASONAL XMAS SERVICE ELIMINATED
IAD-YHZ CXLD 1>0 OCT-
IAD-PEK CXLD 1>0 OCT- SUPPOSEDLY SEASONAL
IAD-DME 1>4/WK OCT-
IAD-GIG CXLD; NOW ONLY OPERATES AT XMAS WAS DUE TO START DAILY IN OCT
Stapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 270 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7767 times:
Enilria, thanks again for posting these changes. I appreciate seeing the weekly changes!
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7714 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): DL
RDU-SLC CXLD 1>0 DEC- PREVIOUSLY RESUMED AFTER FALL CXL
Well, that bites. RDU has only been getting cuts.. no additions. When will this trend turn around? Hopefully it will be reversed next week and just be the normal oneor two month seasonal cut..
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7642 times:
One thing I havent seen in these updates is UA's decimation of their MHT schedule. MHT-ORD goes from 1x 320 1x 319 and a CR7 down to 2x CR7, not even 3x like PWM has.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7491 times:
Northwest is cutting MLI to MSP from 4 > 2, and MEM to MLI from 2 > 1. It's odd to see MLI - MSP get cut to only two flights a day, as this route has been a mainstay at MLI for a long time.
Might have something to do with all the capacity DL's throwing between MLI and ATL against Air Tran.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15714 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7367 times:
DeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 278 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7326 times:
Quoting Stapleton (Reply 2): Enilria, thanks again for posting these changes. I appreciate seeing the weekly changes!
Yes - we all appreciate your efforts putting this together every week.
THANK YOU
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6888 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): Name an airport that has been adding anything.
IND, BNA, FLL, MKE, CHS, AVL, etc... just saying.. not a single addition in all this turmoil.. but, it is what it is..
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6653 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7): DL also halved ATLTLV from daily to 4 weekly
I know ATL-TLV hasn't always been daily. Isn't this just a seasonal reduction, especially now that JFK-TLV has been upguaged in capacity?
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4529 posts, RR: 28 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6577 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11): That's shocking! I thought that would be a money maker for them.
Codeshare on US' CLT-GIG perhaps? I don't know, though. Perhaps it's just the added NE-GIG competition.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4): When will this trend turn around?
When the economy changes. Judging from the capacity guidance in the conference calls this week there are going to be more cuts.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5): One thing I havent seen in these updates is UA's decimation of their MHT schedule.
I usually don't show all frequency changes because it is voluminous. I did this week because there weren't that many other things and I had the time. The MHT cut was loaded a few weeks ago.
The middle of the country has been making out very poorly over the last two years, although I would argue that WN reductions are at the crux of that. IND/BNA/STL/MCI/CMH have all been getting cut to fund WN's adventures in hubs.
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11): Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-GIG CXLD; NOW ONLY OPERATES AT XMAS WAS DUE TO START DAILY IN OCT
That's shocking!
I'm not that shocked. The local market is very small (although high yield) and the connectivity from IAD north is mostly props. Did it connect to Europe? Absent Europe I can see it being poor. Anybody have the time to grab the T100 load factors from bts.gov?
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6179 times:
Yikes! Yet another cutback for OAK. To think OAK was once considered a prominent focus city for B6, and now its down to a handful of flights from BOS, JFK, IAD, and LGB. I was kind of hoping B6 might start ORD-OAK service to fill in the void left by UA, but I certainly wouldn't count on that! Guess East Bay folks might as well plan on making 2 or 3 stops just to reach the East Coast via WN....
Surprising. I would think this type of route would be doing well for them. So much for the Caribbean being a gold mine?
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): DL
RDU-SLC CXLD 1>0 DEC- PREVIOUSLY RESUMED AFTER FALL CXL
I realize that a link to SLC presents a myriad of connecting opportunities to reach the West Coast, but I just don't see how this flight ever made sense. I can't imagine there being much O&D to support this flight, the West is still within easy reach via DFW....
No doubt a result of continuing WN expansion?
With UAX flying the DEN-DTW route these days (pitiful IMO) and F9 cutting back as well, perhaps its time for WN to enter this market.
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): MSP-SGF RESUME 0>1 NOV- REVERSES PRIOR CHANGE, SERVICE NOW SUSPENDED FROM MID-AUG UNTIL NOV
Sun Country's new MSP-Branson service must be killing this flight.
What ever happened to the daily year-round UA and AA ORD-MEX flights?? Are MX and AM that much better than their American counterparts? Surely folks flying BOS/LGA/PHL/DCA/DTW-MEX via ORD would rather seamlessly connect on the same airline than schlep over from T1/T3 to T5????
I've always thought American Eagle (with its ATR-72s) presents far too much capacity for the secondary Bahamian markets; i.e. anything beyond FPO/NAS.
They do need something smaller to serve secondary markets not only in the Bahamas but other nearby islands (Grand Turk and Cayman Brac) and intra-Florida. I always though that 3M would be better as an AA partner with their SoFla operations, but 3M seems happy with CO.
MIA-GGT was operated basically for the Four Seasons. This indicates the contract has been lost. I wonder if maybe UP or 3M was willing to make a better deal? I guess we'll see if one of them launches MIA-GGT this November.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15714 posts, RR: 48 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 13): I know ATL-TLV hasn't always been daily. Isn't this just a seasonal reduction, especially now that JFK-TLV has been upguaged in capacity?
JFKTLV is still a 767, and ATLTLV has been daily for at least a 12-16 months.
C010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 21 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6009 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 16): I'm not that shocked. The local market is very small (although high yield) and the connectivity from IAD north is mostly props. Did it connect to Europe? Absent Europe I can see it being poor. Anybody have the time to grab the T100 load factors from bts.gov?
The traffic from Brazil to Europe through the US is almost non-existent. UA was succesful in the route until last season, because it relied on the repressed demand at GIG. With 25 new weekly nonstop flights between GIG and the US starting this December, UA wouldn't be able to compete, since their service is not remembered by the public as consistent, since it is not year-around. In order to become competitive, UA would have to make the service year-around, but that would require more investments and efforts from UA to promote all three daily flights, since the end the of the tag-on flight to GIG make the loads and yields out of GRU erode.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1885 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5962 times:
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2784 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5830 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 17): Surprising. I would think this type of route would be doing well for them. So much for the Caribbean being a gold mine?
You read that wrong. BOS-SJU will see a gain in capacity, with 2x this upcoming January as opposed to 1x last year.
JetBluefan1
Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
Bhmguy From United States of America, joined May 2009, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5815 times:
BHM lost their IAD link and now a flight to Denver....Not looking too good
Yea loads on IAD arent great at all..never have been.
DEN however has good loads and is only a temporary cut---happens every year. It has already been put back into inventory around mid-No or 1 Dec.
CIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1990 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5769 times:
Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6): Northwest is cutting MLI to MSP from 4 > 2, and MEM to MLI from 2 > 1. It's odd to see MLI - MSP get cut to only two flights a day, as this route has been a mainstay at MLI for a long time.
Might have something to do with all the capacity DL's throwing between MLI and ATL against Air Tran.
I noticed that too, which is really odd. MSP-MLI has been around a long time, and cutting it to two seems kind of deep. I was surprised a little at MEM too, I thought I had heard a while back they had been thinking of adding a 3rd flight there. This is really going to hurt on westbound connections, MSP and MEM are really the only logical connecting points for westbound traffic for DL out of MLI. I am sure they will try to route connections over ATL and DTW but who would want to do that? ATL will be at 5x CR7 and DTW I think will have 4x daily. Is there really that much eastbound traffic out of MLI on DL?
UA will be down to a single daily flight out of GRB?!?!?!?!?
wow I saw that too. Is it really worth it for UA to maintain 1 flight a day there? I think the proximity of Appleton's airport seems ot hurt GRB some (they lost the "old" DL and G4 to Appleton). Wonder if UA is next?
25 Cubsrule: I doubt Branson tourists were ever the bread and butter of MSP-SGF (or SGF-anywhere, for that matter). All numbers are southbound only January 2008 A
26 Enilria: If B6 ever goes through with their threat to move everything from LGB to LAX, it will be very interesting because the intra-Cali stuff would be under
27 Cubsrule: The difference with OALs is pretty stark, especially when UA offers similar connecting options and has more of a local market than DL.
28 SurfandSnow: I don't think B6 would ever actually go through with that - they have found a nice little niche for themselves in Long Beach that is completely shiel
30 Enilria: Your overall comment is probably correct, but I do believe that currently B6 is losing money in LGB. I credit that to 4 factors: 1) Fuel is still not
31 Mariner: For Frontier? It is more likely to be a seasonal drop-off. mariner
32 Evan767: Well, I am certain that ATL-TLV has not operated on certain days in the past.
33 MAH4546: It has been daily since launch, outside of few one-off pre-planned cancellations which Delta (and others) do during extremely slow months.
34 PSU.DTW.SCE: Keep in mind that NW/DL is 4x on DTW-DEN F9 had at one time as many as 4x on DTW-DEN but is going down to 2x UA typically has had 2x DTW-DEN, used to
35 Acey559: They told us about that at work a few days ago. For as much as I love DL, I think what they're doing is a little ridiculous. They're gutting importan
36 Planespotting: Yeah they do, and they're not going to do it in the Quad Cities by shrinking what has probably been the second most-flown route out (MLI-MSP ... I be
37 Acey559: Because of the economy all of the flights have been down from years past, but I was honestly really surprised to see how many O & D pax there are bet
38 Planespotting: No kidding - by my rought/quick calculations, NW/DL has a total of 850 seats leaving MLI everyday. Ditch Memphis, keep MSP, DTW and ATL and send one
39 CIDflyer: I couldn't agree with you more. Does MLI really need all that capacity to ATL? The CID flight to ATL was doing well from all accounts I heard. I know
40 Enilria: If you look above somebody said that F9 cut frequency in the market because of WN. My response was that WN is not much of a factor in the market. I t
41 MAH4546: AA has apparently not canceled Miami-George Town. It was loaded back into Sabre this evening.[Edited 2009-07-25 22:48:46]
42 Yeogeo: Surely this is a typo?! UA curently offers 5 CRJ's in each direction if I'm not mistaken. Personally, the loss of the CO flights to Cleveland was mor
43 MSYPI7185: Glad to see MSY is gaining yet another flight. Slowly but surely were are getting there. MD
44 MSYtristar: We have some upgrades and a couple of new flights in store for the fall. Nothing earth shattering, but better than nothing. DL/NW: * DTW goes to 2X d
45 Enilria: Odd? It's looks like a typo on UA's part. Some of the UA flights have the operator listed as "A296". The remaining flights are listed as "YV", Mesa.
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