LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
With Continental's entry into the Star Alliance, its partnership with Alaska Airlines and American Eagle will terminate October 24th.
Obviously it will now feed United on the West Coast.
Here is the notice;
Effective Oct. 25, 2009, Continental will discontinue our OnePass partnership with Alaska Airlines, Horizon Air and American Eagle Airlines. Changes to mileage earning and redemption are outlined below, as well as how lounge access will be affected.
Mileage Earning
OnePass members can continue to earn miles through Oct. 24, 2009, on flights operated by Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air, as well as Continental code-share flights operated by American Eagle connecting through Los Angeles to or from Fresno, Monterey, San Diego or Santa Barbara.
OnePass Reward Travel
OnePass reward reservations for travel on these carriers must be confirmed and ticketed by Oct. 24, 2009, and are valid one year from the date ticketed.
Lounge Access for Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air
Details regarding continued access for Presidents Club® members and BusinessFirst® customers at select Alaska Airlines Board Room clubs are still being finalized.
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USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7765 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): With Continental's entry into the Star Alliance, its partnership with Alaska Airlines and American Eagle will terminate October 24th.
Any word on the KLM partnership? They've been codesharing/mileage partners for quite some time, even before SkyTeam.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7718 times:
I'd say the CO pax stand to gain from this transition, at least in terms of the breadth of destinations offered by the UA/UAX system. Though, with American Eagle now operating all RJs on its (few) remaining intra-California ops and AS using those comfortable Q-400s, those EMB-120s could be a downgrade from a customer standpoint. Still, CO pax will once again be able to easily reach the likes of RNO, PSP, and BFL (all recently dropped from the CO network).
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Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7521 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2): I'd say the CO pax stand to gain from this transition, at least in terms of the breadth of destinations offered by the UA/UAX system.
I'd also think that it makes the customer experience much better. While I've never connected in LAX on CO (it's always been my O or D), it always seemed like it would be a pain to do the whole "shuttle over to other terminal" or "leave, walk, and recelar security" thing -- since 6/7/8 [CO in 6 and UA in 6, 7, and 8] are all conneced behind security it will make for a much easier connection, IMO.
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DLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1850 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7509 times:
This doesn't at all effect the ground handling AE does for CO in some CO cities does it?
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Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7496 times:
Smart and understandable move on Alaska's part. United can get their customers to just about all the major markets that Alaska/Horizon could - and every one that Eagle could. Since the two are partners now, it is only logical.
The only substantial change this will bring in terms of network reach is a loss of in-network access to some of the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest served by Horizon but not United, and to some of the Alaska State markets served only by Alaska. But, in the scheme of things, the marginal revenue contributions of these markets is not enough to justify maintaining these partnerships with a larger, broader, more fruitful relationship with United as a viable alternative.
Klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7378 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 5): The only substantial change this will bring in terms of network reach is a loss of in-network access to some of the smaller markets in the Pacific Northwest served by Horizon but not United, and to some of the Alaska State markets served only by Alaska.
Wouldn't Alaska's non-stops to Mexico from LAX also be a loss as well or did Continental not code share on those flights?
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 63 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7343 times:
Quoting Klkla (Reply 7): Wouldn't Alaska's non-stops to Mexico from LAX also be a loss as well or did Continental not code share on those flights?
There are only two cities Alaska/Horizon flies to in Mexico that Continental doesn't - La Paz and Loreto, both on the Baja peninsula. Continental serves Baja with several hundred seats per day from Houston, so not that big a loss.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7337 times:
Klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7163 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 8): There are only two cities Alaska/Horizon flies to in Mexico that Continental doesn't
I specifically said non stop. Having to go to Houston is a big deal if you could fly non stop from LAX.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7130 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 3): I'd also think that it makes the customer experience much better. While I've never connected in LAX on CO (it's always been my O or D), it always seemed like it would be a pain to do the whole "shuttle over to other terminal" or "leave, walk, and recelar security" thing -- since 6/7/8 [CO in 6 and UA in 6, 7, and 8] are all conneced behind security it will make for a much easier connection, IMO.
Yes LAX connections will be certainly easier since CO and UA are already under one roof, while I suspect its only a matter of time before CO relocates adjacent to UA in SFO.
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Jolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7032 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 8): There are only two cities Alaska/Horizon flies to in Mexico that Continental doesn't - La Paz and Loreto, both on the Baja peninsula. Continental serves Baja with several hundred seats per day from Houston, so not that big a loss.
I wonder if there's a UA/X route in the workings for this.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 63 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6998 times:
Quoting Klkla (Reply 10): I specifically said non stop. Having to go to Houston is a big deal if you could fly non stop from LAX.
Odds are that just about any customer who was previously flying from LAX to Mexico was booking directly with Continental, and again, the ancillary revenue Continental may have been deriving from acting as an agent issuing these tickets on Alaska is marginal at best. And as for the FFs who may have stuck with Continental out of LAX because of these flights - which I doubt is many - the world of additional options United opens up for them nonstop from LAX would almost certainly be worth way, way more to them.
Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 12): I wonder if there's a UA/X route in the workings for this.
I personally doubt it.
These are small, thinner markets that Alaska serves effectively with its lower cost structure and, in some cases, Horizon Q400s. These aren't the kinds of leisure markets United typically likes to serve. United has a daily flight from LAX to SJD. That's enough for their service to Baja.
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6778 times:
Quoting NW (Reply 6): They were brought together by NW - the partnership will end on October 24th as well.
Thanks for the update. After I posted this, I checked continental.com for more information, but it's very vague about when the general partnerships with SkyTeam airlines end. Oh, they're clear about OnePass issues, make no mistake about that, but other than the inital start of Star Alliance member/codesharing, there's little information there.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6751 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11): only a matter of time before CO relocates adjacent to UA in SFO.
no time soon. will be a few years before this happens.
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Jolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6339 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11): I suspect its only a matter of time before CO relocates adjacent to UA in SFO.
The next question is, where are you going to put them? UA's existing gate space is cluttered enough as is. UAX/Skywest gate-space isn't going to be given up without a fight either.
The only solution is to either keep Continental where it is (in the same terminal as US) or have them swap with American.
BlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3119 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5959 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14): After I posted this, I checked continental.com for more information, but it's very vague about when the general partnerships with SkyTeam airlines end.
Code-sharing with NW and DL ends 7/30. Code-sharing with other Skyteam carriers ends 10/24.
Jeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5313 times:
When will CO officially become a member of Star alliance?
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5235 times:
This confirms what some of us have said all along... and many people doubted, insisting that CO would retain a partnership with AS. Not only would a dual partnership with UA and AS harm UA but it also makes it easier for AS to become more fully aligned with Skyteam. DL did not commit to an expanded relationship with AS so that AS could continue to work for other carriers - they want the most exclusive arrangement with AS they can get, knowing full well that there are some relationships that will take time to unwind. In the case of CO, the transition comes rather quickly. For others, it will roll out in time.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 63 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5179 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 19): This confirms what some of us have said all along... and many people doubted, insisting that CO would retain a partnership with AS.
Well, as usual, a little context is key here.
Since Continental announced a global alliance with United, I don't think anyone has been arguing that they would keep the alliance with Alaska/Horizon. Since, as is obvious to anyone, and as has been covered in this thread and elsewhere extensively, United brings to Continental much the same network access - with a few specific exceptions - than Alaska/Horizon did.
The argument many, myself included, were making was that prior to the alliance with United, Continental would still maintain their alliance with Alaska/Horizon. And I still stand firmly by that prediction.
And since we'll now never know what Continental would have done vis-a-vis the Alaska/Horizon partnership had they not aligned with United, there is no way for you to argue that you were right and anyone was wrong. Since, as is often the case, you're arguing over something that nobody else was ever disputing.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6778 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5033 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 19): Not only would a dual partnership with UA and AS harm UA but it also makes it easier for AS to become more fully aligned with Skyteam.
Youre forgetting one player in this game...AA.
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SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3858 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4979 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 19): This confirms what some of us have said all along... and many people doubted, insisting that CO would retain a partnership with AS. Not only would a dual partnership with UA and AS harm UA but it also makes it easier for AS to become more fully aligned with Skyteam. DL did not commit to an expanded relationship with AS so that AS could continue to work for other carriers - they want the most exclusive arrangement with AS they can get
SEA is very important to the network of the combined DL+NW & SkyTeam. If a merer with AS isn't possible, then such a dominating code-share agreement is highly desirable at this point.
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RyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 818 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4895 times:
With AS beginning SEA-IAH runs this summer, I wonder how quickly they will begin ANC-IAH runs. It's been long rumored, however, now the argument that they can just code-share on the CO operation is moot.
Additionally AS is cutting one DFW-SEA turn for the winter, not a surprise given the addition of SEA-IAH, SEA-AUS, and SJC-AUS.
Ryan
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BlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3119 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4440 times:
Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 18): When will CO officially become a member of Star alliance?
My father says his LH M&M HON rep told him 10/25, but he is also the first one to admit that a HON rep might not be the most reliable source of information on the subject. Perhaps code-sharing begins 10/25 with full integration later on. Take this with a grain of salt.
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25 United1: This came out of the conference call a few days ago.... "On key dates with our final flight on October 24 we will leave SkyTeam. We will be in Star j
26 Seattleflyer: None of this is a surprise, knew it was coming for some time now - since CO announced it would be moving to Sky Team. The real loser here is the AS Mi
27 WorldTraveler: I can show you quotes from people who argued that the AS partnership would survive, even after the Star application was announced. no, I'm not: And y
28 Commavia: Maybe that's because they weren't exactly crazy about the airlines they were "allied" with before, and maybe now they feel they've found a partner wi
29 LDVAviation: Let him keep forgetting... It won't stop AA or any other airline from building on their strengths at the expense of his favorite airline. For proof,
30 Viscount724: When LX joined Star Alliance a few years ago, I think they had to give AA something like 6 months notice to terminate their codeshare agreement (they
31 FlyPBA: um ... both CO and AS stated that they wanted to keep their relationships intact in some form or another ... obviously things have changed. that does
32 Yellowtail: For sure this will hurt AS new IAH service....without the CO feed from LatAm, will be much harder to fill that aircraft with Houston originating pax.
33 Cessna172RG: "Smart and understandable move on Alaska's part. United can get their customers to just about all the major markets that Alaska/Horizon could Ummm...w
34 Yellowtail: I have always though that CO and AS should have merged.....CO could then use SEA as an asian hub It would also be a well balanced airline with a hub i
35 LAXintl: For the record, UAX does serve LMT - from both PDX and SFO, and LWT from DEN But more imporantly, when have you seen AS at the many dozen US and fore
36 As739x: The SFO move will not happen until 2011, Terminal 2 will need to be completed first.
37 WorldTraveler: How about we acknowledge that CO developed a relationship with NW who had a relationship with KL which was purchased by AF who had a relationship wit
38 Jolau1701: I thought Terminal 2 was going to be taken by VIrgin America, JetBlue, and/or Southwest. If this is the case then, the logical moves would still be s
39 ASFlyer: I doubt that this will hurt AS' IAH service very much, if at all. Alaska doesn't rely on CO connections to make their EWR service work and it works q
40 BigGSFO: Virgin America is committed to terminal 2. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i?f=/c/a/2008/05/12/BUES10L1SS.DTL
41 CV880: No way would AA take those crap gates in terminal 1 over what they have now...IIRC at one time AA was supposed to get the rebuilt T-2, but that was a
42 Jolau1701: Then why assume CO is moving at SFO? Granted US moved because HP took them over and they were going demolish the A-concourse at Terminal 1 anyway, but
43 USPIT10L: Actually, LWS is Lewiston, ID, and LWT is Lewistown, MT. Back in the late '80s, UA Express did serve markets in Washington State as well as Idaho fro
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