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What Is Airbus Doing With Its A380s?  
User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12723 times:

I chanced upon the following production list for the A380:

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A380/index.php

A summary of owners of delivered A380s from that list is:

Airbus: 5 (this does not include the static test frame)

Emirates: 3

Qantas: 5

Singapore: 9

It struck me odd that Airbus owns so many of the completed A380s, and they have another one scheduled (frame 37).

Now I understand that the first 2 were probably the test planes, and could see how they might need 3 test planes. However, what is the function of the 4th, 5th, and planned 6th A380?

Is not this an unusual number of completed planes to be owned by the Mfr for a commercial airliner?

Any other thoughts or information on the subject?

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12674 times:

I guess only msn 01 (F-WWOW), msn 02 (F-WXXL) and msn 04 (F-WWDD) are used by Airbus as test aircraft.
msn 02 & msn 04 will be upgraded and delivered to Etihad.

msn 03, msn 05 & msn 06 have all been delivered to SQ.

Airbus did the same with the A320, with some test aircraft later delivered to Airlines : msn 02 (became F-GFKQ for AF) and msn 03 (became F-GGEG for Air Inter).


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

Airbus tried to sell all testplanes except for MSN 001. There was a thread about this two or three years ago called something like "Airbus is cleaning up their backyard". It was anounced during a Dubai Air Show, that EK will buy a part of the testbirds.

MSN 002 has been sold to Prince Al-Walid and will become the Flying Palace, the only VIP A380 so far.

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The fate of MSN 004 is not known.

MSN 007 has already been converted from a testplane to a production-standard-plane and is currently in XFW. It will be delivered to EK at the end of this year.

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MSN 009 will follow the same route as MSN 007 and will be delivered to EK in 2010.

Something is wrong with your number of deliveries. So far 17 A380s have been delivered to the airlines:
1.) SQ: 9
2.) EK: 5
3.) QF: 3

Regarding MSN 037: it was never foreseen for Airbus, if I remember correctly, it would have become an A380F.

Best regards
N14AZ

[Edited 2009-07-25 04:01:14]

User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12283 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 2):
Something is wrong with your number of deliveries. So far 17 A380s have been delivered to the airlines:
1.) SQ: 9
2.) EK: 5
3.) QF: 3

My mistake: I wrote the numbers down correctly when I was adding up the list; and then transposed them when typing the thread.

Otherwise thanks for the information on how most of the "Airbus" planes have been sold and will enter service.

However, why did Airbus even "own" frames 7 & 9? What was their purpose/use?

Frames 1 & 2 are obvious. I figured frame 4 as either more testing or marketing (all of those flights to many airports to show off and to demonstrate that it could potentially service those airports). Why did they need 2 more?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31392 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11990 times:
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Etihad was contracted to take four of the test frames, however they renegotiated with Airbus to defer delivery in favor of new frames and increased their order to ten.

Of those four Etihad planes, MSN002 was sold as an A380CJ, MSN004 became an Airbus plane and MSN007 and MSN009 were re-sold to Emirates, last I heard.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11786 times:

To answer the question that brought me to this thread, hopefully delivering them.:D

Seriously though, when is the first AF A380 going to be delivered?



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11340 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 2):
The fate of MSN 004 is not known.

IIRC wouldn't also msn 004 be re-engined and converted to a production standard plane, just like 007, and I also read somewhere that it would be sold to EK. Or am I wrong?



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User currently offlineAndyGarrett From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

How is the A-380 doing financially for Airbus in these economic conditions? Looking forward 2 to 4 years, there doesn't seem to be a lot of optimism from learned economists and bankers.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9832 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 5):
when is the first AF A380 going to be delivered?

Probably October, since AF has announced CDG-JFK A380 service starting in November.

Photos of the first AF A380 here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ir-france-a380-all-painted-up.html


User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9624 times:



Quoting 2175301 (Reply 3):
However, why did Airbus even "own" frames 7 & 9? What was their purpose/use?

MSN009 was the Engine Alliance test airframe, the only Airbus frame fitted with GP7200 engines. MSN007 was a cabin test airframe and was initially slated for extensive route-proving flights. That role fell to MSN002 when the production problems delayed completion of 007.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9215 times:
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Etihad was going to take some of teh prototypes but they ordered 10 A380 production ones instead.

User currently offlineClaude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Stitch is 100%  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineClaude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

damned i forgot to add the word "right"
Stitch is 100% right... no edit message button?


User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5123 times:



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 9):
MSN009 was the Engine Alliance test airframe, the only Airbus frame fitted with GP7200 engines.

004 has, IIRC, been re-engined to EA.



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3965 times:



Quoting AndyGarrett (Reply 7):
Looking forward 2 to 4 years, there doesn't seem to be a lot of optimism from learned economists and bankers.

offtopic: You mean the same learned economists and bankers, who predicted rosy growth for the coming years in 2006  Wink?



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

If msn 004 and 007 have been reengined from RR to EA, what will happen to their "old" RR engines? Will they be used on other production airframes, or will they be scrapped/ used as spares? Seems like a waste to me...


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