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Scenarios After AZ Into Skyteam  
User currently offlineShanti From Senegal, joined Dec 1999, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

AZ and AF will conclude an agreement by end May (Italian Press) and this will lead AZ into SkyTeam. AZ officials said priorities of the partnership are South and East Europe and Sky team will gain more importance. I also see very good complementarity between AZ and AF routes.
What scenarios do you envisage for alliances after this major agreement? Will Qualiflyer be crushed between Skyteam, Star and One World? Will Skyteam get a leading role?

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

In Europe, SkyTeam will be the best I feel, with Air France and Alitalia, two of the largest carriers in one alliance. Oneworld has Finnair and Iberia, and Star Austrian, British Midland, Lauda, and Tyrolean after their big friends (BA and LH) in these respective alliances. SkyTeam will have CSA after that, but they have the best grip on Europe I feel.
SkyTeam does need some help. They are dominant in North America and Europe, but have nothing else. They need a few more Asian carriers, and maybe Royal Air Maroc and SAA might join. TransBrasil might also come in from South America though.

Jeff


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1366 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

Hi,
probably DeltAirlines explained well what will be the scenario in Europe. I am just wondering the fate of airlines like KLM and Swissair.
Moreover, there will be also a great change in the North Atlantic because of Alitalia's operation changing from Northwest's to Delta's hubs.
I think that SkyTeam will benefit by the Alitalia network and Alitalia will earn a lot by the partnership with two of the most dynamic and powerful carriers on Earth, Delta and Air France.

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

i really think that AZ fits very well into Skyteam and it´s nice seeing skyteam garnering members.
however, i definitively disagree about skyteam´s dominance in europe and in north america especially, where it´s only got one partner, and f.e. star has UA and AC...
well, but let´s not be nitpicking...  Wink/being sarcastic

cheers
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Delta has Aeromexico in Mexico, where most of the US-Mexico flights have a DL code on them, which I do not think is true with United and Air Canada/Mexicana. Now, Alitalia will be starting ATL and possible CVG flights to MXP, and BOS will probably get a codeshare with Delta.

Jeff


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

I do not think we will see Alitalia flights to Atlanta soon..... I think they will codeshare on Delta's flights. Delta has very low loads during the winter on the FCO flight. If codeshares through FCO and MXP do start, this may start to raise these numbers.... But I don't think we will see and red and green planes here for a while.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 994 times:

If a DL/AZ codeshare comes through, Delta might pull out of the market and place the 767 for a new route, ie BOS-FRA or JFK-HEL, etc.

Jeff


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 960 times:

I think oneworld will hold europe once sabena and swissair join.

i'm only guessing here but many other people are guessing the same!

however skyteam has a rosy future particularly on the transatlantic market. What they need is an asian presence. Badly. MH would be ideal but I think MH is looking elsewhere.


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1366 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 956 times:

And MH cannot compete with giants like Singapore, Thai, Cathay and Qantas, even though it would fit better than JAL into SkyTeam and Korean Air network

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 940 times:

DeltAirlines--

UA does not have many codeshare flights with Mexicana, but you are wrong in saying it doesn't with AC.

UA and AC have antitrust immunity and have one of the closest and most comprehensive codeshare networks togetherl; I'd venture to say more than 2/3 of all transborder flights operated by the two are codeshared.


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