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AA To Start MIA-CHS, MIA-TYS  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

I have been told American Eagle will launch daily non-stop service between Miami and both Charleston, S.C. and Knoxville, Tenn. on 19 November 2009. The schedules don't seem to be published yet. It is great for AA to continue expanding in the Southeast from MIA. The long-term plan is to connect the majority of their Southeast stations with a daily flight to Miami. I'm surprised Birmingham is still missing, though.


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User currently onlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

(Gnashing of teeth). I'm possibly starting a job in South Florida in the next few weeks, and I was hoping that Eagle would start MIA-GSP to make it easier to get back and forth to/from the parents. Apparently, we weren't in the running for a daily flight, even after Eagle whacked or Chicago services. Alas, its either a connection via ATL/CLT, the Allegiant Air FLL-GSP, or flying Eagle to CLT and driving to GSP.....

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7402 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
daily non-stop service between Miami and both Charleston, S.C. and Knoxville, Tenn.

Very good news for all three cities involved. Would it be crazy to think that Miami could continue to develop into a true Southeast hub to serve pax flying, say, MSY-JAX or JAN-ORF? Seeing as how you see folks flying stuff like ORD-LAX-YVR and YYC-PHX-DEN, it can't be too far-fetched to think of MIA as a viable alternative to ATL and CLT.

Charleston and Knoxville now gain access to American's comprehensive Latin American and Caribbean network, bringing everything from Costa Rica and Cancun to Barbados and Rio within easy reach. Good for them.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22715 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7152 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Would it be crazy to think that Miami could continue to develop into a true Southeast hub to serve pax flying, say, MSY-JAX or JAN-ORF?

AA already prices MIA as a reasonable connecting option from JAX to just about anywhere in the MIA network. At least with respect to JAX, the loads are generally pretty low, so they might as well connect some passengers through MIA.



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User currently offlineMiaiadbos From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

is american eagle planning on adding more flights in miami once their new Regional Commuter Facility is open?

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7001 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
The schedules don't seem to be published yet.

The schedules should be loaded in Sabre Sunday.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6976 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
I have been told American Eagle will launch daily non-stop service between Miami and both Charleston, S.C. and Knoxville, Tenn.

oh man!! Starts right after I have moved away, I would have like to see this last summer. Oh well. Nice to see my old home airport still going strong, they havn't lost too much.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2271 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

I've always wondered when they would start MIA-PNS, that has been rumored for a while now.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

All Eagle MIA flying is switching from ERJ-140s to ERJ-145s. Also, Miami-Savannah switches from ATR to ERJs:

AA 4380 MIA 2015-2235 TYS Daily ER4
AA 4386 TYS 0840-1050 MIA Daily ER4

AA 3519 CHS 1205-1350 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3518 MIA 1425-1600 CHS Daily ER4

AA 3433 SAV 1150-1325 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3432 MIA 1405-1530 SAV Daily ER4

A few more AA stations in the Southeast are being penned to possibly get MIA service on December 17th launch, or so I hear. The single-daily RJ routes to destinations like Louisville, Norfolk and others are traditionally strong performers because AA fills them with high-yielding Caribbean traffic. These are routes are also very important to keep Caribbean marketshare from slipping to US and DL.

And, also, MIA-GGT had been removed from AA's res systems and OAG last week, but that was in error. It has been re-loaded. And Miami-Freeport gets a fourth daily.

[Edited 2009-07-26 02:51:10]


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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2271 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5345 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
A few more AA stations in the Southeast are being penned to possibly get MIA service on December 17th launch, or so I hear.

I wonder what other stations they will be. I think PNS-MIA is a given, but what about others like BHM-MIA, MOB-MIA, GSP-MIA, CAE-MIA, GPT-MIA and VPS-MIA?


User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5139 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

AA 4380 MIA 2015-2235 TYS Daily ER4
AA 4386 TYS 0840-1050 MIA Daily ER4

AA 3519 CHS 1205-1350 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3518 MIA 1425-1600 CHS Daily ER4

AA 3433 SAV 1150-1325 MIA Daily ER4
AA 3432 MIA 1405-1530 SAV Daily ER4

In another thread recently, there was tangential discussion about the banked-ness of the MIA hub. I thought it might be interesting to analyze how the timing of these new flights will (or will not) allow for connections:

TYS - seems to allow northbound connections from Caribbean markets, but what about southbound?

CHS - I can't make sense of this except from an aircraft utilization perspective. What connections are available with a midday turn like that, except a few high-frequency Caribbean markets and maybe Europe?

SAV - Same as CHS.

Thoughts?


User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Any chance AA would start MLB?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4975 times:



Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 10):
TYS - seems to allow northbound connections from Caribbean markets, but what about southbound?

It allows southbound, too. It leaves at 8PM. Longer layover on the return, though.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 10):

CHS - I can't make sense of this except from an aircraft utilization perspective. What connections are available with a midday turn like that, except a few high-frequency Caribbean markets and maybe Europe?

The high-frequency markets - CUN, NAS, SJU and FPO - probably account for upwards of 80% of the Caribbean market from CHS and SAV and all can be connected with a 60-100 minute layover. Flights are also well timed for cruise ships (keeping in mind that people nowadays usually fly in the day before the cruise departs and fly out the day the cruise arrives) and well-timed for vacationers traveling to SAV and CHS, keeping in mind both Charleston and Savannah are popular vacation destinations for South Floridians.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4905 times:

Obligatory press releases with quotes of excitement from local officials:

Charleston:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...to-prnews-4248356939.html?x=0&.v=1

Knoxville:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...to-prnews-2094964879.html?x=0&.v=1

Unofficially, I am hearing Birmingham and Pensacola are in the running for December launches. Though, honestly, these two have been "in the running" for about five years now.

AA likes the MIA-Southeast RJ routes: No competition, high-fare local markets, great feeders for high-fare Caribbean markets. All the markets are being upgraded to ERJ-145s on November 19th.

[Edited 2009-07-27 13:01:10]


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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Could a CR7 fly OMA-MIA? Any chance of this? Currently no nonstop service from OMA to Florida at all.

User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4796 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):

According to Faremeasure.com, Knoxville averages 144 passengers a day to Fort Lauderdale (708 miles, average one-way fare of $148.32) and 36 passengers a day to Miami (724 miles, average one-way fare of $285.01), for a total of 180 daily passengers from Knoxville to South Florida.

Charleston averages 56 passengers a day to Fort Lauderdale (470 miles, average one-way fare of $207.68) and 48 passengers a day to Miami (490 miles, average one-way fare of $227.03), for a total of 104 daily passengers between Charleston and South Florida.

Birmingham averages 201 passengers a day to Fort Lauderdale (650 miles, average one-way fare 154.79) and 34 passengers a day to Miami (661 miles, average one-way fare of $254.20), for a total of 235 daily passengers between Birmingham and South Florida.

Based on these numbers, it is puzzling why American decided to start flights from Miami to Charleston and Knoxville, but not Birmingham. American must have some concern that Southwest would retaliate with non-stop flights and lower fares between Birmingham and Fort Lauderdale.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4780 times:



Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 15):
Based on these numbers, it is puzzling why American decided to start flights from Miami to Charleston and Knoxville, but not Birmingham. American must have some concern that Southwest would retaliate with non-stop flights and lower fares between Birmingham and Fort Lauderdale.

Well, other factors play in to it.

For example, American Airlines is very strong in Knoxville, one of few Southeast markets where AA has Chicago service. And, actually, American is competing with Allegiant in this market.

Charleston is a popular tourist destination, so AA can capture some traffic that might otherwise be driving from South Florida to Charleston.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4764 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
For example, American Airlines is very strong in Knoxville, one of few Southeast markets where AA has Chicago service. And, actually, American is competing with Allegiant in this market.

True. AA does well to TYS from ORD and DFW. However, AA couldnt make ORD-BHM work. Right now they only have BHM service to DFW. This is no doubt because of competition from WN and UA. However, there isnt any nonstop service between BHM and Southern Florida, which makes me think that there is room for at least a daily RJ.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4736 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
However, there isnt any nonstop service between BHM and Southern Florida, which makes me think that there is room for at least a daily RJ.

Yet there was a Net SAAver yesterday for BHM-SKB: $579 round-trip, via Dallas and Miami.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4693 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Yet there was a Net SAAver yesterday for BHM-SKB: $579 round-trip, via Dallas and Miami.

Dont know how many people from BHM fly to SKB, but point taken.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4689 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Yet there was a Net SAAver yesterday for BHM-SKB: $579 round-trip, via Dallas and Miami.

Dont know how many people from BHM fly to SKB, but point taken.

I don't know either. I guess the point was that AA might be testing the waters about capturing that traffic.

And it was also making a point about how high-fare a market Southeast-Caribbean is; a good place for AA to put some ERJ capacity right now. It's not the trash yield market people think it is, outside of maybe Montego Bay.



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User currently offlineSkyteam10001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

I am excited for the 4th daily MIA-FPO frequency. At a time when the Grand Bahama economy is suffering, it is great to see that AA is increasing the number of available daily seats to and from the island. It can only help the island's tourism business.

Now i wish other airlines would do the same ! (I know about West Jet 2 weekly YYZ-FPO service staring this fall too)

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User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Great news, now AA start the old intra-Florida routes! Then I would really love you.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4606 times:



Quoting AAAL (Reply 22):
Great news, now AA start the old intra-Florida routes! Then I would really love you.

What is stopping this is lack of the appropriate airplane. Most of these routes need a 19-30 seater prop.



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4598 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
What is stopping this is lack of the appropriate airplane. Most of these routes need a 19-30 seater prop.

Speaking of airplanes...where are they getting this airplane to run these new flights?


25 MAH4546 : Reduced frequencies elsewhere. They are cutting everywhere except Miami and San Juan. Also, I believe that DFW capacity is up, but frequencies are do
26 LAXdude1023 : I dont study MIA and SJU capactiy as closely as you do, but this winter DFW will be up YOY from last winter by 19 flights. 749 this winter vs. 730 fr
27 MAH4546 : Then maybe its the reverse - frequencies up and capacity down? I'm pretty sure one of the two stats is in the negative, but I don't have the figures
28 GSPSPOT : I feel ya! Would figure GSP-MIA could make it, since you see Florida licence plates all over downtown. Yes, there is a huge connection between Wester
29 AVLAirlineFreq : And then there are those of us in AVL who crave any kind of AA service--ORD, DFW--but who would especially welcome service to MIA for that reason (an
30 Cubsrule : Given that the Saabs were retired in late 2008, I'd be surprised if seats are down YOY if frequencies are up.
31 JDAirCEO : There are lots of cities in the region I wish AA would serve... AVL, TRI, ROA, LYC. I'm not sure that locals would give up DL or US enough to make an
32 CIDflyer : very true, AA gave up alot of these type of markets when they shut down the hubs at RDU and BNA. Only way I ever see them big in this region again is
33 KcrwFlyer : LYH? Speaking of this region, I'd love to see AA get on CRW-ORD or DFW. They've been here since April flying to LGA.
34 MAH4546 : Stay tuned for that one...
35 Aajfksjubklyn : WHat is AA's hesitancy in NY? From everything I read it's such a critical market to them, AA has been my airline since flying an UM since the late 70'
36 FWAERJ : Could Eagle try FWA-MIA? AA is a strong #2 behind DL at FWA (was #1 until DL and NW merged), serving both ORD and DFW from the market, plus FWA has hi
37 KcrwFlyer : No probably not. There would have to be a very large business connection to warrant that. I'm thinking that if G4 couldnt make it work, AA would have
38 OB1504 : G4 primarily focuses on O&D traffic, while AA has a hub on the MIA side with many connecting opportunities to Latin America. I still think it's a bit
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