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Delta 1022 24July Missing Part Of The Wing  
User currently offlineDLL1011 From Germany, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12949 times:

I heard that DL flight 1022 to PHL was missing part of the wing. From what my freind said, a few people noticed it and wanted off durring bording. Any ideas was part was missing? Any Delta Mec's out there can answer also what part missing would still allow them to fly?

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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12897 times:

What date was it? Any more details?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12879 times:

Maybe a flap track fairing...?? If that was it it's nothing serious and could fly for years with out it.....


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 day ago) and read 12712 times:

Psh. Wings are redundant...we have two, for pete's sake...

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):

Maybe a flap track fairing...??

Sounds like the most likely scenario to me.

A few years ago I was on an airliner and some guy turned stupidly to his wife, an obvious nervous flier, and said "Is that duct tape on the wing?"

Didn't end up being a very pleasant flight for either of them...



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 22 hours ago) and read 12407 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Maybe a flap track fairing...??

My vote too. Seen it plenty of times. While it make look serious to some people, they have to be explained to that it's simple like a fairing on your car. Not important.


User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 18 hours ago) and read 11734 times:

Don't know what the A/C type was - but sometimes one winglet of two can be missing, for maintenance or other reasons, if I am not mistaken.

That may give the A/C a lopsided look but is not a legitimate concern in the larger scheme of things.



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User currently offlineDeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 16 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

If it can be CDL'd than I'm sure its fine, but in hindsight, the average Joe flying public doesn't understand what CDL means, so I can totally understand what's going on.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 15 hours ago) and read 10110 times:



Quoting Deltabobo (Reply 6):
If it can be CDL'd than I'm sure its fine, but in hindsight, the average Joe flying public doesn't understand what CDL means, so I can totally understand what's going on.

If the flying public had ANY IDEA what all we can MEL, they'd never fly again!
I mean, shoot, BA even MEL'd an engine! On a 747! After takeoff! From LAX! And went all the way to London!!

But more seriously, yes, you can MEL all sorts of things. And if not MEL, then CDL, NEF, etc etc. Lots of good acronyms for "We're flying without that today."


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 15 hours ago) and read 9878 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
If the flying public had ANY IDEA what all we can MEL, they'd never fly again!
I mean, shoot, BA even MEL'd an engine! On a 747! After takeoff! From LAX! And went all the way to London!!

Actually, the MEL had zippo to do with that one...since it was after takeoff, the QRH applied, not the MEL (which is a pre-departure document).


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9766 times:

The plane in question is the 757 and the A/C is 625 and you guys nailed it CDL FLAP TRACK FAIRING-1 MISSING.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9766 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 9):
The plane in question is the 757 and the A/C is 625 and you guys nailed it CDL FLAP TRACK FAIRING-1 MISSING.

That was my first thought when I saw the thread too. Apparently pax don't like the idea of a missing canoe fairing.



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User currently offlineDeltaHolland From Netherlands, joined Dec 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Ok what's 'Flap Track Fairing'  confused 

User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9687 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):

Heck then no one would fly EV 70 seater I think almost all of them have one missing.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

You guys and your fancy words and big acronyms... Sheesh.  crazy 


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9564 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 13):
acronyms

Hmmmm thats a big werd where I come from  confused ... lol


User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9457 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 9):
757 and the A/C is 625

I knew it had to be this ship in question it made a few visit to LGA last week....Go to show you we New Yorkers have no fear when we want to go nothing will stop us....



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 9227 times:



Quoting DeltaHolland (Reply 11):
Ok what's 'Flap Track Fairing'

See those big, carrot-shaped "pods" that stick off the back of a wing? Those are fairings -- protective coverings that streamline the airflow around the flap mechanisms inside. Their function is mostly just superficial.

An airplane can fly just fine without one or more of these fairings, though it might entail a slight fuel-burn penalty. Whether a fairing can be missing, and what the penalty might be, is spelled out in the plane's CDL (configuration deviation list).


PS



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24817 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 9195 times:



Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 5):
Don't know what the A/C type was - but sometimes one winglet of two can be missing, for maintenance or other reasons, if I am not mistaken.

Yes, there are many A.net photos of aircraft operating with one winglet missing, including the A320 family, A330, A340, 747-400 and CRJ. Can't find any photos of 737s or 757s with one missing winglet so it may not be permitted on those types.


User currently offlineDeltaHolland From Netherlands, joined Dec 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 9138 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 16):
See those big, carrot-shaped "pods" that stick off the back of a wing? Those are fairings -- protective coverings that streamline the airflow around the flap mechanisms inside. Their function is mostly just superficial.

An airplane can fly just fine without one or more of these fairings, though it might entail a slight fuel-burn penalty. Whether a fairing can be missing, and what the penalty might be, is spelled out in the plane's CDL (configuration deviation list).

Ohhh, I get it now. How would something like that come off the wing though?

[Edited 2009-07-26 18:31:16]

User currently offlineSimpilot459 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

Saw the same thing on a QX Q400. At least on that one it wasn't visible to the pax inside the plane. I asked the captain about it, and she said it was not a problem and had been noted in the maintenance logs (MEL I think). Saw it again a week later. It'll maybe cost the airline a little $$ in fuel, but nothing that compromises the safety of the aircraft.


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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting DeltaHolland (Reply 18):
Ohhh, I get it now. How would something like that come off the wing though?

Usually they are removed for some maintenance-related purpose. It's not that they * fall off.*

Though yes, that's happened a few times. Here at BOS, a flap fairing once fell from a British Airways 747 on approach to runway 22L and crashed onto somebody's car in Revere. Late 1970s I think that was.


PS

[Edited 2009-07-26 18:37:59]


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 8617 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 20):
Usually they are removed for some maintenance-related purpose. It's not that they * fall off.*

Not usually, but it does happen, albeit rarely.

Sometime back, oh, at least 15-20 years ago, somebody had a 767 lose part of a trailing edge flap while on a left downwind to DFW to 17L/R. It impacted close to the intersection of Old Denton Drive and W. Jackson Rd., in Carrollton, just east if I-35E Kind of an industrial area, and thankfully nobody injured (or worse).

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User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

Another way to explain this is, and I know cars are not planes, but the premise is the same. Nowdays most cars have a rubber cover over the front and/or rear bumper. This cover can be removed, torn off, etc. The safety of the car is not compromised, as the bumpers still function as they should, gas mileage may even be affected, albeit minimal, it just looks like hell.

MD


User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 hours ago) and read 7045 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 16):
An airplane can fly just fine without one or more of these fairings, though it might entail a slight fuel-burn penalty.

Perhaps a missing fairing creates a little turbulence that can be felt as well? Similar to when the gear comes down, or when the spoilers are used for en route descents.



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User currently offlineMascmo From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

shoot you can fly with cracks in the flap tracks! As long as its within limits of course.  airplane 

25 Post contains links Pliersinsight : Flap parts fall off, it happens...... even three doors up the street from where your parents live: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...trib/news/ci
26 AVLNative : Thank you in advance for not posting that list...
27 DALMD88 : I know on the DL 737 the winglet must be installed. Without it you have no nav lights. Not sure about the 757, but it could be the same.
28 Brilondon : No it can't. It would upset the balance of the aircraft and the aerodynamic aspect of the aircraft. The collision in Brazil showed you can't fly with
29 OPNLguy : If ever there was an apples-and-oranges situation, this is it. The "apples" part is the discussion of whether an aircraft can fly without one of the
30 EMBQA : Wrong.... yes they can fly with just one winglet. There are several photos in the A.net data base of aircraft flying with just one winglet....and it
31 Post contains links TWAL1011727 : That "somebody" was a Delta flight into DFW see... http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001208X07526&key=1 KD
32 Scrumpy492003 : Geez !! I've just finished reading that other thread about no wheels, and now this one about more pieces falling off or not being required etc. As som
33 OPNLguy : By jove, I think he's got it..! Minor "molehill" event + slow news day x (Sweeps ratings period) = "Mountainous TV Movie"
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