Canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
Delta Flt 140 a Boeing 757 from JFK to Brussels just aborted takeoff at JFK. Pilot called in no emergency assistance needed off the runway, but said reason for abort was "right engine generator problem."
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
Thankfully the abortion went well - it's a dark and stormy night in the NYC area.
VikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 499 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
Oh yeah it is. I was on the EWR ramp at about 6:10pm this evening and it came down harder than I've seen it in a LONG time. Short lasted though, sun came out ten minutes later! It's nasty again now though..
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JetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1427 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4678 times:
Oh boy, Its been raining hard here in NYC. I was in Manhattan eating dinner with my family and friends and suddenly it rained hard. We didnt bring the car to Manhattan and we didnt bring umbrealla, so we waited for 3 hours until it settled. We ended up ordering more food so they wont tell us to go out Glad it went well.
TWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3991 times:
Canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3625 times:
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 6): The correct term is "RTO"=Rejected Take Off
I had never heard that term before....much appreciated on the education. By the way...I just used the term "aborted takeoff" because that is what the pilot told JFK ATC.
Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 4): Exactly that....The IDG took a dump and maint had to replace it.
Nice to know I heard it right......thanks for the details. Any idea how bad the delay was? Did they use a different aircraft?
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19697 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3585 times:
Quoting Canyonblue17 (Reply 8): By the way...I just used the term "aborted takeoff" because that is what the pilot told JFK ATC.
"Aborted takeoff" is correct, as is "rejected takeoff". The problem with using "abortion" is that it has another meaning, and it's best not to confuse them.
-Mir
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AirFrance From United States of America, joined May 2006, 60 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
Hmmm surprised I am about and hour south of EWR and half hour north of BLM and have not seen any rain or CB's in the area. Guess there will be delays sooner or later.
Canyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3368 times:
Quoting AirFrance (Reply 10): Hmmm surprised I am about and hour south of EWR and half hour north of BLM and have not seen any rain or CB's in the area. Guess there will be delays sooner or later.
This happened last night 7/26 when the weather was quite horrible in NYC. Today, there was a strong line of thunderstorms stretching down most of the East Coast, but most of the nasty stuff stayed south of NYC.
Flyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 802 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
It would seem to me that for a modern aircraft with multiple backup systems, including an additional operative generator and RAT, that a single generator failure would not justify an RTO. Why risk possible aircraft damage or costly by-products of RTO such as blown tires? It would seem that in this type of scenario continuing takeoff, with a subsequesnt go-around and return to field, would suffice and present any compromise of safety.
Aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1344 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2837 times:
Quoting Avek00 (Reply 1): Thankfully the abortion went well
Now that I've stopped laughing....
Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 12): It would seem to me that for a modern aircraft with multiple backup systems, including an additional operative generator and RAT, that a single generator failure would not justify an RTO. Why risk possible aircraft damage or costly by-products of RTO such as blown tires? It would seem that in this type of scenario continuing takeoff, with a subsequesnt go-around and return to field, would suffice and present any compromise of safety.
Well, an inoperative generator can have repercussions on an ETOPS flight. Also, it really depends at what speed this takeoff was discontinued. If procedures were followed, it couldn't have been greater than 80 knots, and was probably slower.
There are pretty strict protocols, actually, so far as which types of failures will initiate an abort, and when. The plane's warnings systems are engineered to only generate certain cautions and warnings when above (or below) certain speeds. A pilot is NOT going to abort for a generator problem at or near V1, believe me.
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19697 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2764 times:
Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 12): It would seem to me that for a modern aircraft with multiple backup systems, including an additional operative generator and RAT, that a single generator failure would not justify an RTO. Why risk possible aircraft damage or costly by-products of RTO such as blown tires? It would seem that in this type of scenario continuing takeoff, with a subsequesnt go-around and return to field, would suffice and present any compromise of safety.
Depends on how fast you're going when the failure occurs. A bad generator isn't something you'd do a high-speed abort for - you'd just take it into the air, and then come back to the airport (definitely can't go crossing an ocean with only one engine generator working).
But if you're not going that fast, then the risk of damage to the airplane is very low, and you might as well keep the airplane on the ground, since you're going to come back anyway. Of course, the crew doesn't have time to diagnose a problem while the takeoff is proceeding, which is why the protocol is generally that if it's important enough to merit a caution light (not everything will, and some that normally would are inhibited during certain important phases of flight like takeoff and landing so as not to be a distraction), it's important enough to do a low-speed abort for, and figure out exactly what is wrong after you've stopped. High-speed aborts are just for fires, engine failures and other things that would have an adverse effect on the airplane's ability to fly.
-Mir
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I sure as heck would not want to takeoff "knowing" I "might" have to use the RAT. If thats the case I'm going to be pulling a Sully real fast.
Its easier to reject the takeoff, if warranted, and taxi off the active then trying to fly an airplane around a complete CF of airspace while dealing with a problem.
Quoting Aviateur (Reply 14): If procedures were followed, it couldn't have been greater than 80 knots, and was probably slower.
Yeah exactly, the "jist" goes something like this:
We will reject for everything before 80 knots, from 80 to V1 only for an engine fire, failure, PWS, or airplane becomes unflyable.
USAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 439 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2554 times:
Also, the USAF, and some airlines pilots have standard phraseology for an RTO; "Reject, Reject, Reject" to be stated in the cockpit during take off roll if the take is not going to happen.
In that way it is supposed to alleviate any confusions as to what actions are being taking by either of the pilots....
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