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What's Happening With AA At DFW?  
User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

AA is delaying all their flights into DFW. Anyone know why?


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User currently offlineDll1011 From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

Hmmm, FAA is showing OTHER as the reason.
Due to OTHER / AIRLINE REQUEST, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Dallas/Ft Worth International Airport, Dallas-Ft Worth, TX (DFW). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 1 hour and 13 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination".


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7175 times:



Quoting Dll1011 (Reply 1):
Hmmm, FAA is showing OTHER as the reason.

Hmmmm, I saw that. I checked AA's website to confirm that it was AA, not that it would be anyone else.

Thanks.



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User currently offlineDll1011 From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

I just checked local weather for DFW. There is some major weather in the area of Dallas, but it has cleared the airport. So why would the FAA say other rather then weather?

User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Thunderstorms.

Delays are decreasing.

Waiting for the OPNLguy weather report.  duck 


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7325 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Im sitting in my office on the 18th floor of my building on LBJ and the Tollway in North Dallas and I can tell you weve had lightning and storms all morning. The reason for the delays is very obviously weather.


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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3451 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 6911 times:



Quoting Dll1011 (Reply 3):
So why would the FAA say other rather then weather?

Anytime the FAA can say an airline "requested" the delays, it will do so. That way there is no chance the FAA will be blamed for "ATC delays." IOW, the airline(s) gets the blame, not the FAA.



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 6858 times:
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Quoting AAR90 (Reply 6):
Anytime the FAA can say an airline "requested" the delays, it will do so. That way there is no chance the FAA will be blamed for "ATC delays." IOW, the airline(s) gets the blame, not the FAA.

Or, it's because the airline did actually request the delay as is the case here. There is a ground delay in effect for "AAL & SUBCARRIERS ONLY", per airline request. It has nothing to do with blame, and no other carriers have the delay in place (there are arrival and departure delays anyways, but other airlines are not subject to a program).

My guess is weather is the primary cause and likely a gate-issue or technology issue if AA especially doesn't want inbound traffic.

see for yourself: fly.faa.gov/ois


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

There are times when one of an airline's major airports gets slammed by weather such that they (the airline) want to intentionally delay all of their flights into that airport. It's done for a variety of different reasons. All ATC is doing is creating the delay program (at the airline's request) and getting the word out to all the affected ATC facilities, rather than the airline having to make dozens of phone calls themselves to delay the flights.

ATCSCC ADVZY 065 DFW/ZFW 07/27/2009 CDM GROUND DELAY PROGRAM
MESSAGE:
CTL ELEMENT: DFW
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 1439Z
DELAY ASSIGNMENT MODE: DAS
ARRIVALS ESTIMATED FOR: 27/1439Z - 28/0059Z
CUMULATIVE PROGRAM PERIOD: 27/1439Z - 28/0059Z
PROGRAM RATE: 60/45/45/45/45/45/50/50/50/50/50
FLT INCL: CONTIGUOUS US DEP CARRIER AAL ONLY
DEP SCOPE: (ALL) ZAB ZSE ZFW ZKC ZME ZTL ZOA ZLC ZLA ZAU ZMP ZDV ZID
ZMA ZHU ZJX ZBW ZOB ZDC ZNY
CANADIAN DEP ARPTS INCLUDED: NONE
DELAY ASSIGNMENT TABLE APPLIES TO: ZFW
MAXIMUM DELAY: 105
AVERAGE DELAY: 73
IMPACTING CONDITION: OTHER / OTHER
COMMENTS: AAL AND SUB CARRIER ONLY PROGRAM. ECR CHANGES NOT
REQUIRED. USERS CAN EXPECT SOME MINOR AIRBORNE HOLDING UNTIL BACKLOG IS CLEAR. ZHU/ZFW IS STILL IN A GROUND STOP WITH AN UPDATE TIME OF 1545Z.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Today was my first day at work, and I walked into work soaked.  Silly The storms keep on coming, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the delays keep going on.


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2091 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

I was on AA 2483 this morning from BOS to DFW and we were diverted to ACT (Waco) because after circling DFW for a while, we had to refuel due to a weight and balance issue. I was definitely late to work this morning because of it.


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7325 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 6462 times:



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
I was on AA 2483 this morning from BOS to DFW and we were diverted to ACT (Waco) because after circling DFW for a while, we had to refuel due to a weight and balance issue. I was definitely late to work this morning because of it.

Ive flown in and out of ACT a number of times. Charming little airport. I didnt know that ACT had capability to land a 757.

Actually DFW-ACT is going from 4x daily ER4 to 4x daily AT7. I had heard that it was because work was being done on the runway that made ERJ's unlandable.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3451 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 6257 times:



Quoting Dartland (Reply 7):
Or, it's because the airline did actually request the delay as is the case here.

That is correct. AA (as do most large USA airlines) did not wait for the FAA to decide to place ATC delays on flights inbound to DFW. The FAA tends to wait as long as possible before doing.... anything. One result of this inaction is that the airlines take the blame --the delay goes on the airlines' statistics, not the ATC statistics. Just a fact of life that such statical methodology provides incentives for even more ATC inaction.



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User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

CAC= Company Control Arrival.

Because of operational issues such as gates, connections, and traffic AA request all inbound flights to be delayed usually 60-90 minutes. It's pretty simply. Let the weather pass and resume the schedule an hour later. All connections should be made and have the least operational effects. During the summer it happens all the time.


User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

Those EGF and AAL birds that did land this morning shortly after inbounds resumed experienced 30-60 minute gate holds. The biggest problem was the lightning and how long the ramp stayed shut down. The 2nd morning bank was stuck on the gate.

DFW thankfully has installed Auto-Park at all the gates, so at least some planes could make it all the way on the ramp during the lightning. Once the gates are full, obviously, everyones hands are tied.

See Auto-Park in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi8dDI8pz8k

Ryan



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2091 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 4038 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
Ive flown in and out of ACT a number of times. Charming little airport. I didnt know that ACT had capability to land a 757.

It was a Super 80



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):

Ive flown in and out of ACT a number of times. Charming little airport. I didnt know that ACT had capability to land a 757.

LAX, I knew I'd run into you here, haha.

I'm pretty sure that L3 Integrated Communications is based on the other side of the airport, along with a TSTC program for aviation repair and pilot training. I toured the L3 facility when I was in college. They do many aircraft mods including (when I was there) and aircraft for the sultan of Brunei, a privatair 767, SOFIA the 747 SP with an integrated telescope, designed to replace the functionality of the hubble space telescope, and the 742 that Rolls-Royce is using to test the new trent 1000 for the 787.

So, in answer to the question, if the airfields are the same, the runways can handle virtually any aircraft. The facilities, however, may be another story altogether.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7325 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months ago) and read 3595 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 16):
LAX, I knew I'd run into you here, haha.

Im that predictable huh?  Wink

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 16):
So, in answer to the question, if the airfields are the same, the runways can handle virtually any aircraft. The facilities, however, may be another story altogether.

ACT is a different airfield than the one by TSTC. The one at TSTC can handle any aircraft known to man. ACT is very restrective.

IrishAyes, are you sure you didnt go to TSTC airport in Waco, or was it ACT for sure?



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2091 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3119 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
Im that predictable huh?

Hahah...there's absolutely nothin wrong with that.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
IrishAyes, are you sure you didnt go to TSTC airport in Waco, or was it ACT for sure?

Unfortunately, this was one of those rare occaisions where I was so exhausted on the flight that a). I slept through most of it, even for the majority of the diversion and b). I had a non-window seat, so I had lousy views of the tarmac, the landing, the external airport, etc. Pretty disappointing. And since Waco is a tiny regional airport, one that I have never flown into, I know little about it, and the pilot never mentioned anything specific other than that we were goin to Waco.

But, according to flight aware, it was ACT, so maybe that answers your question? I've been trying to do it in screen shots, but PhotoBucket isn't being very cooperative right now...so look at the link I've posted...Sorry about that! Interesting to know, however, that there could have been an alternative!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...3/history/20090727/1442Z/KACT/KDFW



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