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New Service To GRR To Be Announced Tues  
User currently offlineVenuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local...New_air_service_set_for_GR_airport

Anybody in the know?

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User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

DL to JFK? US to PHL or CLT? B6? Those seem like the only likely candidates to me. I'd say F9 to DEN, but UA's got the market covered and it probably couldn't support two carriers in this market.

User currently offlineVenuscat2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 478 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

US (one of the regionals...Chautauqua?) pulled out of GRR a number of years ago. Would be nice to see them back.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

JetAmerica's new focus city?

With all the capacity cutbacks, I doubt it'll be from a legacy. Maybe FL making it the next MDT at best. Probably G4 or DirectAir adding something....  stirthepot   stirthepot 


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Hmmm dont think its FL. Havent heard any grumblings of a new city but then again these things can be kept quiet till they are announced. Probably though my bet is Allegiant.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

It's probably just a new Allegiant route.


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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5712 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
It's probably just a new Allegiant route.

If I had to guess, it would be FLL (which if it ran Monday-Thur-Sunday would be perfect for me as my cousin is getting married in the FLL area in January.

If it is not Allegiant, I would hope it would be B6. Outside of Chicago, one of th big holes in the routemap is the Midwest. I have wondered off and on if they could make a midwestern hub work somewhere in Missouri or Kansas. Set it up with 5-6 E190 and A320's to run to places like GRR, IND. This would take some pressure off JFK and expand the passenger base and offer a good spot for West-East connections and vice versa.

Destinations

MCO
TPA
RSW
FLL

JFK
BOS
IAD
SEA
LA Area (LAX or LGB)



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7147 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5649 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 6):
If it is not Allegiant, I would hope it would be B6.

I'm giving that 0% chance. It's probably some kind of Florida service.


User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1305 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5594 times:



Quoting Panam330 (Reply 1):
I'd say F9 to DEN, but UA's got the market covered and it probably couldn't support two carriers in this market.

I think you're probably right. This doesn't seem like a market F9 would go after at this point. If the RAH purchase of F9 goes through, then that might change the picture. YX currently only has a few flights a day from GRR to MKE. YX (RAH) could start GRR to MCI service, or with the F9/YX pending codeshare I guess YX could operate a GRR to DEN route and codeshare with F9. That seems unlikely. I think if we see F9 start GRR from DEN it will be with a E170 operated by Republic, but that will be far down the road.

I agree with others that it will be probably be a new G4 route, GRR to somewhere in Florida. We'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out.



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1305 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

After looking at G4's route map, I wouldn't fall over in shock to see Phoenix-Mesa added out of GRR.


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

I'm betting your money it will be tied to this story somehow:

Allegiant Air Sees Jump In Passenger Traffic - 3 Pages

http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=29764


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

1. Look at these available Allegiant destinations departing from GRR on the GRR site:

http://grr.org/G4.php

2. The go to the Allegiant site:

http://www.allegiantair.com/

3. Select Grand Rapids as your departure city.

4. Select Destinations and note a fourth destination is now listed. DAB


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5280 times:



Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 11):
3. Select Grand Rapids as your departure city.

4. Select Destinations and note a fourth destination is now listed. DAB

When they were in Lansing, that was there to. It is just another "destination", but if you go through the booking process, it is just SFB



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5277 times:



Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 11):
4. Select Destinations and note a fourth destination is now listed. DAB

It is listed for every city with SFB service. G4 offers Daytona Beach vacation packages, flying people in via SFB.



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User currently offlineFilAmAirlines From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

I wonder why GRR and DTW are the main airports for new service. Other airports (like LAN, FNT, AZO, and my airport MBS) is either reducing or losing service. My apologies for going off topic. However, My airport should exchange one DTW flight to MSP or find another city (I don't know if they're still trying to go for Washington DC).


FNT is the death knell for MBS and LAN because of WN's commitment
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

It's Allegiant to Phoenix - IWA beginning October 14:

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20090728a.php



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Ok, I am confused....Allegiant was in Lansing for 3+ years with service to SFB, PIE and LAS. What makes GRR so different from LAN that they get a 4th destination? The distance really isn't that different, and Allegiant could almost run the table in Lansing right now with no other Florida service and NW downgrading DTW and pulling MSP. It seems that if they really wanted to invest in it, it could have been another RFD...now they go up against CO, DL/NW, YX, AA and UA.

I still like Allegiant's products, but it seems to me that they could be more successful in LAN. More central in the state to be able to pull from other places. I am with FilAmAirlines on this one



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1305 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4592 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16):
Ok, I am confused....Allegiant was in Lansing for 3+ years with service to SFB, PIE and LAS. What makes GRR so different from LAN that they get a 4th destination? The distance really isn't that different, and Allegiant could almost run the table in Lansing right now with no other Florida service and NW downgrading DTW and pulling MSP. It seems that if they really wanted to invest in it, it could have been another RFD...now they go up against CO, DL/NW, YX, AA and UA.

That's a good question. Maybe Lansing's proximity to DTW has hurt it's air service throughout the years. LAN has suffered from lack of air service for a long time now. People who live in Lansing drive the hour to GRR or the hour and a half to DTW in order to catch flights. Why would G4 eliminate air service in LAN to only build up GRR? In my opinion, GRR gives them a larger catchment area than let's say LAN. By that I mean people in LAN are driving to GRR and DTW already. Is G4 going to siphon traffic off DTW if they had a presence in LAN? Maybe. In GRR, definitely not. But, GRR is the second largest city in Michigan, and G4 is able to attract people as far out as LAN and I would argue as far north as TVC. And, although GRR has much better air service than LAN already, I don't think G4 is competing head to head with anyone there. I think it's easier for G4 to be in GRR in order to get GRR, LAN and the entire MSA of GRR. I don't think they could attract as many people to drive from GRR to fly out of LAN, some yes, but not as much as by being in GRR.



Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4592 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16):
What makes GRR so different from LAN that they get a 4th destination?

LAN is 60 miles closer to FNT and DTW ie AirTran, Spirit, and Southwest- other LCC options.

The population of the greater Grand Rapids region including the lake shore communities of Holland and Muskegon is around 1 million- lots to draw from. The greater Lansing region is less than half that.

Various statements made by Allegiant and GRR spokespeople have said that response and support of Allegiant's routes have been tremendous and demand is strong.



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4372 times:



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 18):
Various statements made by Allegiant and GRR spokespeople have said that response and support of Allegiant's routes have been tremendous and demand is strong.

See, but they made statements like that for 2 years in Lansing. While the area is stronger with less competition in GRR (Low-cost)....I would tend to believe that if the schedules, prices are right, then people would love to fly out of Lansing because it is so darn easy.

I love flying out of Lansing, but it sucks when prices are so expensive. If you could get a carrier to commit to Lansing with the right sized aircraft (Like the E-170) running 2-3 weekly on days people like to travel (Tue/Thu/Sunday or Monday/Wed/Sunday) intially to places like

Orlando
Tampa
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale

and maybe daily service to

New York City & Washington DC

I think it could be very successful, but the key is right schedules and aircraft



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4353 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 19):
If you could get a carrier to commit to Lansing with the right sized aircraft (Like the E-170) running 2-3 weekly on days people like to travel (Tue/Thu/Sunday or Monday/Wed/Sunday) intially to places like

Call Jet America and convince them to "hub" up at LAN.

In all seriousness, I think LAN really suffers from being too close to DTW for their own good...They should really focus on taking care of their current carriers in order to not become the next TOL.



Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4310 times:



Quoting Tys777 (Reply 20):
Call Jet America and convince them to "hub" up at LAN

Hopefully the name wouldn't be that and they would have some better airline experienced brains behind it...plus a 737? Really, not the right size for LAN.

If it is executed right, I think it could do well.

Anyway, I think it is good for Allegiant to be expanding. In a market like this to be doing as well as they are is a real accomplishment

Way to go G4



Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

While I'm excited that my current home is now linked with my child home / family, I was really hoping this was going to be US from CLT on a E175 or even a mainline E190. I've heard a lot of horror stories about G4 and the overall flight experience.


Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3982 times:



Quoting Tys777 (Reply 20):
They should really focus on taking care of their current carriers in order to not become the next TOL.

How is that? LAN has less carriers then TOL?  Confused


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3908 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 23):
How is that? LAN has less carriers then TOL?

Oh for god sakes girls. You're both pretty.

Don't let this turn into a pissing match about who's airport is better then the other please.


25 Flyinryan99 : I'm pretty?!?!? Thanks! My wife doesn't even call me that I don't mean to turn it into a pissing match, I was just wondering what he meant. Probably
26 DLDTW1962 : Also to answer the question as to why GRR. Not only do they have a large population to draw from. But, the GRR area has more money per capita then in
27 CIDflyer : Really? I have had the opposite from them, great flights, large jets, great service. Flown them from CID to LAS, SFB and PIE and every trip was great
28 Crjflyer35 : I totaly agree with you!! I did a little bit of forum surfing on all the review sites and I saw a lot of comments about dirty airplanes and seats tha
29 Post contains links Venuscat2 : From what I have heard, when a flight is canceled it can cause problems because G4 doesn't have the resources to accommodate those passengers in the
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