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BA Reduces Service To ORD, SEA, EWR, JFK  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16611 times:

British Airways uploaded some more changes into the GDS and continues to really, really cut U.S. capacity.

*New York/JFK-Heathrow further reduced from 7x to 6x daily
*Newark reduced from 3x to 2x daily
*O'Hare reduced from 3x to 2x daily
*Seattle reduced from 10w to 1x daily

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...7/further-ba-w0910-reductions.html

Also, the third daily LAX flight will not operate during certain periods in the winter. However, this same flight did not operate at all last winter, so its technically an increase from last year.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16499 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
New York/JFK-Heathrow further reduced from 7x to 6x daily

With DL and CO now on the NYC-LHR market I am not surprised that BA is reducing flights. The economic downturn does not allow BA to throw capacity on the NYC-LHR market in hopes of retaining as many paxs as possible


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16498 times:

These changes all go into effect for the winter correct? Also, what are the types involved? I know for example that last winter, ORD got a 767 and a pair of 777s each evening, but going to a 777 and 747 daily isn't a huge cut.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16315 times:
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Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 1):
With DL and CO now on the NYC-LHR market I am not surprised that BA is reducing flights. The economic downturn does not allow BA to throw capacity on the NYC-LHR market in hopes of retaining as many paxs as possible

Not only CO and DL are now at this market, but AA and VS remain with substantial market share.
And if there's a city pair with a huge hit on it's demand because of the financial crisis and economic downturn, this city pair is NYC-LON.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16207 times:

I'm not sure but doesn't SEA usually see 1x daily service during the winter (with extra capacity added during the summer only? (IOW, isn't this just the normal seasonal cut for SEA?)

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16186 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
I'm not sure but doesn't SEA usually see 1x daily service during the winter (with extra capacity added during the summer only? (IOW, isn't this just the normal seasonal cut for SEA?)

SEA was 10w last winter (or, if not, it was supposed to be 10w this winter at the least). It is 13w in the summer.



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3715 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16125 times:

Wow! It seems for the most part IAH will keep both is 2x daily flights except during the typical holiday period. Still find it amazing IAH has 4 dailies to LHR (2 CO and 2 BA).


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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16093 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 1):
With DL and CO now on the NYC-LHR market I am not surprised that BA is reducing flights. The economic downturn does not allow BA to throw capacity on the NYC-LHR market in hopes of retaining as many paxs as possible

The DL and CO services replaced those that operated from LGW so there hasn't been a huge capacity increase in the London - New York market. I expect many of the people using the DL and CO LHR services formerly used their services from LGW instead.

I think the real reason for BA cutting capacity is the economic crisis, especially considering that both London and New York are leading financial service centres.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16093 times:

Hasn't BA cut ORD to 2x in the past? It's usually the latest flight to get the axe in the winter, IIRC.


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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

Does the new LCY service fill a bit of the gap?
I am not sure how it is booking but there is a chance this may falter due to the cutbacks in the travel budgets for the Banks.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15689 times:

So about those A380 VLAs that are supposed to be putting BA and other A380 customers in a far superior position to the rest of the industry....


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15650 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 6):
Wow! It seems for the most part IAH will keep both is 2x daily flights except during the typical holiday period. Still find it amazing IAH has 4 dailies to LHR (2 CO and 2 BA).

Because IAH is one of the few brightspots in the US economy.....front cabins go out full full full of oil folks headed to the north sea, africa etc. LF's for BA for June were in the 80"s I believe.....you can check it on the HAS website.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15650 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 6):
Wow! It seems for the most part IAH will keep both is 2x daily flights except during the typical holiday period. Still find it amazing IAH has 4 dailies to LHR (2 CO and 2 BA).

Houston should change the airport code to OIL  Wink

The Houston airport system has the BA load factor numbers listed at plus 70%.

Not sure about CO's #s, though my bi-montly CO IAH-LHR flights are packed.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15446 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
The Houston airport system has the BA load factor numbers listed at plus 70%.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iahspottersclub/message/30840

"British Airways had an increase of 5.63%. They deplaned 9651 pax and enplaned
11713 pax. Load factors were 70% to IAH and 85% from IAH"



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7810 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15333 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 13):
"British Airways had an increase of 5.63%. They deplaned 9651 pax and enplaned
11713 pax. Load factors were 70% to IAH and 85% from IAH"

BA seems to be doing quite well at IAH. They are also sending the 744 back to IAH in the winter. LH did report a drop in loads at IAH not too long ago, hopefully that will change when CO is in the Star A.

DFW's numbers are mirroring IAH's as well. A rise in BA and KL loads while loseing some ground with LH. DFW also reported an increase in loads with KE (we get to keep our 4x weekly except for December, Jan, and Feb where its 3x weekly). I hear SQ seems to be gaining ground slowly but surely at IAH. Hopefully with CO in Star, that will accellerate.

I also wonder how ATI will affect BA's schedule in the US. Probably some stations will consolidate. I imagine that ORD and JFK will see some decrease in capacity for synergy. There has been talk of DFW going all AA, but Im not so sure. If DFW flyers get the same benefits with BA that they do with AA, alot will switch loyalty.



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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15075 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
British Airways
uploaded some more changes into the GDS and continues to really, really cut U.S. capacity.

Well add the new LHR/LAS service and the new 2x daily LCY/JFK service and its not a "real real "big cut at all is it? Its a cut, sure, but no big deal


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15005 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 6):
Wow! It seems for the most part IAH will keep both is 2x daily flights except during the typical holiday period. Still find it amazing IAH has 4 dailies to LHR (2 CO and 2 BA).

Yes, I have heard that IAH-LON has always been one of CO's most profitable markets.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14901 times:



Quoting Mutu (Reply 15):

Well add the new LHR/LAS service and the new 2x daily LCY/JFK service and its not a "real real "big cut at all is it? Its a cut, sure, but no big deal

Add in the heavy reductions in capacity to Canada and reduced 744 flying (IIRC, 744s only to Miami, San Fran, Houston, LA and one JFK frequency), and, yes, capacity wise, its a really big cut to the U.S. and Canada.

How on earth does two 32-seat A318s and one 772 make up for these cuts in capacity? JFK-LHR was around 8x daily, mostly with 744s, last winter.

Just from doing rough calculations in my head, it looks like BA is cutting U.S./Canada capacity by around 15% or so this winter.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14897 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 10):
So about those A380 VLAs that are supposed to be putting BA and other A380 customers in a far superior position to the rest of the industry....

What about them? Last I checked, BA has yet to receive a single A380.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4976 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14822 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
but AA and VS remain with substantial market share.

AA has also been flying 5x daily JFK-LHR for a while now (IIRC, at least the last 12-18 months?); they used to be at a constant 6x daily for years....


User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14709 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
How on earth does two 32-seat A318s and one 772 make up for these cuts in capacity? JFK-LHR was around 8x daily, mostly with 744s, last winter.

Just from doing rough calculations in my head, it looks like BA is cutting U.S./Canada capacity by around 15% or so this winter.

Oh well I didnt include Canada within US as per the thread title. But perhaps you are right then. Of course GLOBAL capacity is coming down 6% now so if US/Canada (the largest market for BA outside europe) is down 15% there must be some big increases somewhere else? Perhaps at last BA are rebalancing their network away from the US market as many have criticied them for being too US dependent, anyway....
I shall step away and defer and bow to your obvious knowledge. I guess thats the end of BA then


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7810 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14479 times:



Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 16):
Yes, I have heard that IAH-LON has always been one of CO's most profitable markets.

With the decline in traffic to TLV, I wouldnt be surprised if IAH-LHR is now CO's most profitable route.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4976 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14399 times:
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Quoting Mutu (Reply 20):
Of course GLOBAL capacity is coming down 6% now so if US/Canada (the largest market for BA outside europe) is down 15% there must be some big increases somewhere else? Perhaps at last BA are rebalancing their network away from the US market as many have criticied them for being too US dependent, anyway....

LHR-HKG will also see the third daily (the 777 flight) cut from September on, and a 5x weekly LHR-JNB flight (BA 33) will also be cut with the start of the winter schedule.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14332 times:



Quoting Mutu (Reply 20):
there must be some big increases somewhere else?

BA is adding some leisure destinations this winter and expanding Caribbean frequencies. Montego Bay returns to the network, and also added are Punta Cana, Sharm el-Sheik and the Maldives. Also, reallocating shifting 777 capacity from North America to Africa.



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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14268 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 22):
a 5x weekly LHR-JNB flight (BA 33) will also be cut with the start of the winter schedule.

The 33/34 flight only started summer 09 taking it to 19 weekly LHR/JNB, so perhaps no surprise it has been dropped for winter given CPT goes double daily each winter. So 28 weekly flights this winter and last winter to south africa, a capacity cut of a smallish number of seats (744 v 777 on the second CPT flight going 777 this winter)


25 AirNZ : Sorry, you've lost me somewhere there. What about them, or exactly what point are you making? The thread title is "BA reduces service to ORD, SEA, EW
26 BA747400 : Nice to see BA keeping a strong BOS presence (i believe they dropped just one flight per week to 20 from 21 for the winter). Even though AA has 2 dail
27 787seattle : Will we see a T7, 744, or an alternation of both?
28 Panamair : LHR-SEA will be a daily 777 this winter.
29 Alasdair1982 : How is SFO performing for BA?
30 CityofAthens : Let's hope these changes align BA's capacity more closely with demand ... no point in keeping frequencies whilst losing money, especially when cash is
31 AF022 : It seems many carriers are having trouble with LHR. Is there any slot movement - sales or purchases or leases?
32 Jfk777 : In teh New York market BA is much stronger at JFK then at Newark. Cntinental wil also gain from access to BMI's network at LHR with its new Star alian
33 Hovitzer : Both this thread and the one regarding the Canadian market changes by BA made me wonder whether the company is about to face a shortage in 763's. It s
34 SANFan : Anyone got any idea how pre-inaugural loads are looking for LAS-LHR? With what this thread is revealing, and the very soft market that LAS currently i
35 AmricanShamrok : So that's two daily flights to LHR knocked off ORD's schedule taking the VS cession into account
36 Dreamflight767 : I was wondering the same thing. I'm nervously biting my nails hoping nothing will change. Of all cities, SFO always seems to take the biggest hit whe
37 SeaBosDca : Quite the drop in capacity. I wonder if enough demand will be there to justify LH upgrading to a 346 to try to steal some market share...
38 Gojetset : Wondering as well,especially with United reducing its schedule there to one flight daily, instead of two
39 Cactus739 : What about PHX? Are we losing our 744? I know its not daily right now... 6x weekly I think right?
40 SA7700 : LHR-PHX-LHR stays at 6x weekly services on the 744. Rgds SA7700
41 Babybus : It retains those passengers at a cost. It is cheaper to fly to NYC than to fly to Athens or Helsinki. I get spammed all the time with BA special offe
42 MAH4546 : The new frequency cuts are already designed to take account of the LCY route. Absolutely not. The market demands frequency, especially in better time
43 Spud757 : Re CPT-LHR as well as change in metal on that double daily route, has there been a change to the departure times on BA 42 for the winter schedule? I'
44 Spud757 : My mate works for BA and says so far the loads on this new route are good, full or near full flights for the first few weeks of ops and the route has
45 Hardiwv : This means more aircraft will be freed for BA to possibly open new destinations or reinforce routes with more potential. I am thinking of perhaps incr
46 2707200X : I guess British Airways has really cut its North American market and a lot of its international routes in general BA shrinkage has been a long term tr
47 Imag : What gets me is the LHR/JNB route at Christmas is hugely expensive. Ignoring the front end of the plane, an economy class seat is about £1,2k. That'
48 Spud757 : Isn't LAS more a leisure destination from the UK? Why did BA go for LHR ops rather than LGW for this flight? And going back to the changes of times a
49 Carledwards : The airlines need Christmas to make some of their money back. They would be barely breaking even at £550, so the answer is probably yes, it would be
50 VV701 : A BA 'Hi J' 744 seats up to 291 passengers. A BA 3-class 772 seats 272 passengers. This is only 6.5 per cent less. So replacing 'Hi J' 744s with 3-cl
51 Fxramper : Any chance that AA will do 2x daily year round to LHR now to suppliment loads (if necessary)?
52 LAXdude1023 : Definately not in the winter. It would have to come at the expense of another flight and I cant think of one that would be a good sacrafice for it (s
53 N62NA : With EWR close behind (unless we're talking about CO).
54 SA7700 : On Sunday, 20th December 2009; both BA CPT-LHR flights are scheduled as 744's. Rgds SA7700
55 United Airline : Will previous services return after the crisis? Also the B 744s?
56 Hardiwv : As I mentioned above, taken together the reduction of services to the US, Asia (eg India), and JNB will surely increase even further availability of a
57 BALHRWWCC : Possibly however there has always been over capacity on some routes from the US to Europe so some of the cuts may remain. The BA043/42 operates as fo
58 FlyCaledonian : Sheesh! Last time I looked most of the world is in recession, and the UK is doing particularly badly. So maybe it's rather prudent of BA to be trimmin
59 Theginge : I would doubt the B744's will return. Think it will be more 777's on those routes as and when they arrive.
60 BP1 : British Airways is doing what any smart business would do and that is they are better aligning the passenger demand to the world economic market. Earl
61 Babybus : That is just a wild stab in the dark. So my wild stab in the dark would be that they don't need frequency, like they do on shorter routes like within
62 MAH4546 : No, we are not. New York City-London, we are talking about one of the most important business routes in the world and arguably the most important rou
63 BALHRWWCC : Forward sales for LAS are stronger than was first predicted. The strong J revenue from IAH is down to BA holding the contract for Shell and BP. Havin
64 LACA773 : How have BA's loads been out of LAX since wtih the economic downturn? Is there any chance we'll see BA sub a 777 on of the three flights in the futur
65 Yellowtail : They need some extra capacity on NBO right now too....on it twice ths month ...oversold by 40 both times.
66 AirNZ : In actual reality, the market demands nothing of the sort......this is a thing which airlines 'manufactured' and claimed it was what the 'market' wan
67 Viscount724 : Air India dropped JFK-LHR several months ago. All their JFK flights are now nonstop to/from India.
68 MAH4546 : No. The market demands frequency. They are having a devil of a job because the market that demands frequency is not healthy right now. When it is hea
69 OA412 : I have to agree with you on this. I just don't buy the argument that the market demands frequency when you have 5 fligths arriving LHR at 6:25, 6:55,
70 OP3000 : Most airlines and aviation buffs use frequency as the customer-centric reason for smaller aircraft vs. larger ones. But flexibility in fleet utilizat
71 Mariner : I'm not sure what the point of a lot of frequency is when the majority of flights JFK-LHR leave in the evening, within a very few hours of each other
72 OA412 : Too late to edit my earlier reply but I meant to say that there is no reason that there is no reason why those 5 BA flights cannot be consolidated int
73 BAStew : Its interesting, i've just operated two return trips to JFK this month, each on the 'HiJ' 744. What is clear is that it is the yields suffering on the
74 DFWEagle : That’s only half the story. Flights in the westbound (LHR-JFK) direction leave throughout the whole day from about 8am to 8pm.
75 VV701 : There is a very real reason why these five flights could nevere actually be consolidated into two flights - passenger capacity. Take a theoretical ex
76 United Airline : When will BA install new first class suites onboard its B 747-400s?
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