DLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3572 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5805 times:
I think this will be an interesting election.
I was talking with a NW FA on the way back from NRT 2 weeks ago, and her mindset was quite open to rejecting the AFA. She was quite impressed with how DL treated their employees without a union. I have also met former PA FAs that were adamant unionists.
I think it will be a close vote.
Are bookie operations allowed on A.net? Even odds anyone?
Crj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5753 times:
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 4): was talking with a NW FA on the way back from NRT 2 weeks ago, and her mindset was quite open to rejecting the AFA. She was quite impressed with how DL treated their employees without a union. I have also met former PA FAs that were adamant unionists.
I've talked to several NW FAs who feel quite the opposite. I had to deadhead next to one who told me the entire way from DTW to MSP about how if the union was voted out they'd get screwed. Her points were that a lot of the board was NW, so why would they treat the FAs any different than when they did at NW. She also claimed that NW tried to outsource asia flying before and if the union is voted out they will do it again.
Who knows what will really happen, but if the union is voted out. I highly doubt it will be the DL as usual that many people seem to think it will be.
Tristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5689 times:
Quoting Crj200faguy (Reply 6): She also claimed that NW tried to outsource asia flying before and if the union is voted out they will do it again.
That sound crazy or more like something the union would make up to justify there existence. DL/NW would probably loose slots if the tried to outsource. Everyone has there opinions but I am against the unions. They do offer a strong voice, it would just be better if it wasn't such a selfish voice.
I think the merging of the two very different cultures of these great airlines will be the most difficult items on the list...one I think the guys in charge are taking for granted. My thoughts have been that this will cause DL to fail. Hopefully all will get worked out and the 70,000 something employees will live happily ever after
SNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5402 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7): I will be close but IMO this time around DL will stay with out a union.
It is going to be close but AFA will come out victorious. They have about 70% of the fas saying yes, they want a union. Delta has no doubt launched a very viscous anit union campaign and will do everything possible to make sure AFA doesnt step on property. If they choose to give up their collective barganing agreement, it will be intresting to see how the current Delta treats thier new found airline. Pilots have a union, why not flight attendants? NW crew sech. have a union, why not flight attendants?
Ocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5396 times:
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 13): In this day and age, only a written legal contract is going to make a career safe and fair from the 'whims' of management....
How "safe" are the careers of the former IAM rampers at AS at their SEA hub?
One day, AS management decided on a 'whim' to can all those members, and replace them with contract workers.
Their IAM contract did nothing to protect them. Now, some 4 years later, AS is dragging their feet from court case to court case, from arbitrator hearing to arbitrator hearing. And the rampers still don't have their jobs back.
Is that the kind of protection that you are looking for? Could you afford to be out of a job for 4 years?
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 876 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5339 times:
Yeah, the lovely days at MSP, DTW, MEM when the baggage handlers have a show down and decide that it's time to have a system-wide break.... That's not the way things work at Delta. When baggage handlers have needed a hand pilots, gate agents, and even management have helped load bags to get the flight out on time. Delta recieved a lot of crap from other airlines unions crying that everyone should just do their required job and not go beyond the call of duty. I guess NWA passengers are used to the union run arounds since they seem to support the NWA f/a's dragging their baggage over to Delta.
To all of the ATL, CVG, JFK, SLC, MCO, TPA, FLL, BOS, LAX (did I leave any base out?) flight attdendants, I truly thank you for your years of solid customer service and dedicaton to the customers of Delta Air Lines. You have all done very well for yourselves without all of the petty complaining and extortion tactics used by union f/a's.
The 767-200, "Spirit of Delta" sitting in the Delta Heritage Museum shows just how dedicated the flight attendants have been to Delta. I have never seen such a selfless act by any employees done at any other airline. In the early 80's when Delta was seeing the first unprofitable quarters they kept their word to the employees and gave pay increases. When the flight attendants decided to buy Delta a brand new 767 in thanks, it really showed what good hearts the flight attendants had. I beg the flight attendants to keep the spirit of Delta alive and not let the actions of those past flight attendants die in vain.
Delta has been the least unionized legacy carrier for 80 years now, maybe they are doing something right. If being a Delta f/a was such a bad job as so many on a.net say it is, don't you think the f/a's would have done something a long time ago? The AFA has bullied Delta for years and I hope it has shown the DL f/a's just how dirty they do business. Voting in a union would most likely just drive a wedge in between the f/a's and management. I guess for the f/a's at NWA, old habits die hard. Life if what you make of it. You can take the easy way or the hard way. Your choice.
Again, thank you to the hard working Delta flight attendants. You have taken very good care of me over the years and I look forward to seeing you on all of my future flights.
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 876 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5288 times:
Quoting NW (Reply 23): Check the DOT statistics. NW out performed Delta in all categories and still does today, that includes customer complaints. This was all done while having mostly unionized employees.
I am not saying NW is perfect or better than Delta but I think you're a little off base here.
I guess the passengers voting in that poll never spent any quality time in Duluth, MN on their way to LGW .... customer service at its finest.
I realize that NWA has some very good flight attendants just like every airline. But overhearing NWA f/a's complain about having to make Delta's signature cocktails on flights now and then the whole uniform mess really doesn't show me that the NW f/a's are trying to get along with their new coworkers. Like I said above, life is what you make of it.
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: C767P....no matter what...the 2 sides are now "married"...and stuck with each other.
: So you are a union plant, then? Can you repeat this one more time? Or five more time?
: I probably could be, and will ea. time an opportunity present it's self...if I choose to!
: Actually, an organizing drive is funded by the CWA defense fund. $1.80 of your union dues go to this fund, its purpose is to increase the membership
: From this and previous comments that I have read of yours, it seems you have an ax to grind with Delta. Do you personally feel that Delta has mistrea
: How does presenting facts to counter your arguments represent an "ax to grind with Delta"? Your response merely represents that you don't have the sa
: As a customer, I really hope this organizing effort falls flat. In regard to the statistics, compare the airlines in a year that their union decided t
: And just like managment unions can also be driven by greed. Let's say DL votes in a F/A union. Ok so now the f/a are going to show DL who's boss and
: Just an observation...but they are including retirement pensions and such. Umm, didn't the bottom three on that list reject them in Chapter 11 for th
: Out of the bottom 3..... United F/A's pension was turned over to the PBGC Northwest F/A's still have a pension, it is however frozen Delta F/A's still
: I guess you forgot to tell us the part where 80% of Airline crews are unionized...I guess there must be a reason, as you state.
: A job action against an employer is only used as a last resort, under the NMB rules the mediation process is slowed and all avenues are addressed to
: As another poster said... Presenting operational performance released by the DOT shows that I have an ax to grind with Delta how? Many on this board
: This is a Delta F/A's decision! Why are there so many AFA (outsiders) on here thinking they can sway anyone? On LAST hurrah?
: I also don't think it's a coincidence that while executive greed (and compensation) has skyrocketed, the average employees' wages have declined or re
: Your facts about mishandled bags have no place in a conversation about FA Unionization. So tell me again, what is your point? There is more to custom
: You mean like the flight attendants might actually be able to negotiate back some of their 40% pay cuts and your money might actually end up in their
: I have to ask.. if DL is really that bad, why haven't the FAs unionized before? I keep seeing this "you have to be in a union to get good treatment"
: I asked the same question in a previous post and I'd like to know the answer myself.
: Is it a result or a cause? Geee, let me think....what are the two most heavily unionized private industries in the USA......Airlines and Auto Manufac
: Oh, but you do, don't you? You never seem to come out of the woodwork until this particular subject comes up and then your posts show it quite clearl
: What ever they do. I hope it does not change the new attitude that is going around the New DL. I love it.
: I don't follow the Union FA vs. Customer Service argument. Alaska and Southwest are both heavily unionized and they have some of the best FAs hands do
: I agreed. proof? right. Its funny tho. If someone like yourself came to me with a card i would sign it just to get them to go away. big big big AFA f
: To Goaliemn.... Ask yourself why all the pilots & CEO's have legal contracts!!! It's the way to do business in this day and age.
: Why would you be a big AFA fan. You have never belonged to them have you? If yes, what airline was it?
: I just hope that the flight attendants think really hard on these decision, I been with DELTA for nine years now and I love it. I have worked for thre
: DELTA7478......again...why do you think the pilots & CEO's have legal contracts for their jobs?
: USAFDO and 00'er, Since you are both not Delta F/A's, why do you care if Delta f/a's vote one way or the other? just curious as to your "stake" in all
: Because there EXECUTIVES, besides Gerald Grinstein did not have a contract. He was an honest man that care about his company and got us out Chapter11.
: What are we playing for? I predict 54% yes, with 75% of eligible F/A's voting. The NMB has stated that they will only do one "big" (my term) election
: Because if AFA is not successful with the Delta vote - they stand to lose a huge amount of monthly dues revenue from the former NWA f/a's not to ment
: Men like Grinstein just don't exist in commercial aviation anymore (sadly). Yep, and so did your current CEO.
: That would mean that the AFA would be rejected, correct? (as it requires 50%+1 of all eligible group members to be certified, the 25% not voting coun
: Latter this year the UNION that represents the ticket counter agents are going to try there PROPAGANDA on us, well my vote will be " HELL NO" on union
: I should've been more clear; 54-46% taking all votes/non votes into account. ... So what're we playing for?
: I agree. On the plane, the DL staff is tops of anyone I've flown. Some match, nobody exceeds. On the ground? The staff is far from a match for airlin
: If the FAs do decide they want a union, why not an in-house union like the SWA pilots?[Edited 2009-07-28 12:52:16]
: Well, I'll be voting HELL YES, so I guess we'll cancel each other out... BTW, "that" union also represents the ramp, sim techs, reservations, clerica
: You know I was just reading that memo a few minutes ago. He stated that at RSW they have people there now from 1981 to 2009 seniority. That, in his w
: Both? LOL. I read that one as well, but the one I'm specifically referring to came out today...
: The non-AFA NW FAs based in Asia operating the interport flights are also tops...makes flying DLNW feel like flying an Asian airline...
: Panamair......DL/NW need to eliminate those Int't F/A positions where they employ foreign nationalists F/A's. The is an American company, and employme
: Wait, but the AFA AGREED to have the foreign nationals on those interport flights didn't they? So the NW FAs with a legally binding contract and repr
: Logic doesn't over ride irrationality or emotion. Why are you bothering.
: Sounds like a great idea to put on the table during JNC talks...
: I think it will be closer than that, but I really don't know if the union will be certified or not. The NWA FAs I met were less than entheusiastic wi
: Oh really? MCO has rotation 3041 on Open Time for August 1st, the only rotaiton on open time. A rotation with 4 F/a's on it and the "A" position open
: Why would you want to get rid of one NWA's valuable assets? Again, this just supports my arguement about the mentality of union members. "Union vs No
: Clearly you've never flown on United... More important than that, why does NW need a de-icer in Florida?
: Maybe you are? From your past postings it sounded like you were a disgruntled regional f/a. If you are a DL f/a, a question, Has Delta ever done righ
: If unions would stop doing this, I'd support them much more. But watching it in every industry, from airlines to manufacturing to sports, it's disgus
77 EA CO AS
: How about "HEY KOOL-AID!" instead? Because the new uniform at size 42 would look something like this:
: I don't understand why you wouldn't want one? If you cannot walk into your supervisor's office and negotiate quality of life issues, wouldn't you want