757lgw From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 152 posts, RR: 3 Posted (2 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 5713 times:
On the ryanair route map a load of routes from lanzarote and gran canaria have just been put on it. Theese routes do not appear for sale on the website yet, any info?
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
Michael Cawley and a senior Ryanair official from Madrid have announced a press conference tomorrow in Tenerife at 9am. This must be what they are about to announce, perhaps somewhere to base all the aircraft that are being withdrawn from STN, PIK etc. Seems like it might be something like 18 new routes from Gran Canaria, 18 from Lanzarote and 9 from Tenerife.
Makes good business sense. The Canary Islands are popular winter destinations and there is much local traffic to/from the Spanish mainland so if FR offers good fares, they should be on a winner.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8006 posts, RR: 83 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 5331 times:
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Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9): PIK-TFS and NRN-TFS are about 3200 km or thereabouts. Does that push the range envelope of FR´s 738s or can they fly the usual 5000 km?
These routes shouldn't be a problem. Back in th old days when I flew at HLF, we flew from TXL-TFS or HRG-FRA which are longer routes. And that with 189 passengers. It was close, but it worked.
KL911 From Hungary, joined Jul 2003, 4439 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 15): I thouight they had a spat with ACE or was it FUE anyway if you are going for a fortnight's holiday then best of luck with your 15kgs!
I've been traveling for 6 months with less then 15kg.... ever heard of wasching machines, or clothes shops?
Dangould2000 From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4640 times:
The routes are back on ryanair.com and they've officially been announced
Ryanair announces 39 new routes to/from Canary Islands this winter
Aircraft switched from UK and Ireland where passenger taxes damage tourism
Ryanair, the World’s favourite airline, announced today (29th July 09) that it will open 39 new routes to/from the Canary Islands this winter starting in October. This will comprise of 16 new routes to Gran Canaria, 15 to Lanzarote and 8 to Tenerife (now 16 in total) as Ryanair offers competition, choice and the lowest airfares to/from the Canary Islands. These new routes will bring 2 million new passengers, create 2,000 new jobs and deliver a visitor spend of over €386m for the Islands.
Ryanair’s big expansion in the Canary Islands is due to “zero” tourist taxes in Spain and the 100% discount on airport charges this winter. This contrasts with the route cutbacks Ryanair has announced in the UK and Ireland where airport charges at Dublin and Stansted are increasing and the Irish and UK Governments have imposed suicidal tourist taxes of €10 and £10 respectively.
Ryanair celebrated these 39 new routes and 2 million passengers for the Canary Islands by releasing 20,000 fare free* seats for travel to/from the Canary Islands from 26th October until 19th December which are available for booking on www.ryanair.com until midnight Wednesday 5th August.
Speaking in Tenerife today, Ryanair’s Michael Cawley said:
“Ryanair is delighted to open 39 new routes to/from the Canary Islands in October which will allow us to bring more low fares, more competition and choice to even more consumers/visitors of the Canary Islands.
“Ryanair’s 39 new routes at Lanzarote, Gran Canaria and Tenerife will deliver 2million passengers and sustain at least 2,000 jobs at these three Canary Island airports. These 39 new routes are the result of the 100% discount offered by AENA on its airport charges. The continuation of these routes past the 31st March 2010 will be dependent on the extension of these vital discounts. We are confident that in the current climate of reduced traffic and tourism in Spain and the Canary Islands that the Spanish Government will see the wisdom of extending low airport costs not just in the Canary Islands but throughout Spain”.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2378 posts, RR: 29 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4630 times:
These airport discounts seem highly unrealistic to me, and Ryanair seems to be telling the Spanish gov't not to ever raise any tax, or else...
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18345 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4470 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 22): These airport discounts seem highly unrealistic to me,
1) This isn't unusual for FR - it's being doing this for years. Duh.
2) If AENA weren't willing to give it, they wouldn't - and some airports have said no;
3) It illustrates that ACE/LPA/TFS need FR more than FR needs them;
4) That FR obviously negotiates extremely aggressively, and clearly mostly wins;
5) That the volume FR is guaranteeing will be significantly important to the airports and the regions.
On top of airport discounts, I suspect that FR will also receive marketing and other financial assistance.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Pe@rson: And as expected, TFS/ACE/LPA aren't (yet) bases; instead, all the routes will operate from existing bases.
26 Acelanzarote: Should be interesting, some of these routes will be head to head with easyjet, like the new EZY LPL-ACE plus wonder what Aer Lingus will have to say w
27 Richardw: Is PIK-TFS now the longest FR flight?
28 JWMD123: This is a bit of a skull duggery on FR's part. The canaries are used by many UK and Irish people and so when announcing the routes they also offer th
29 Pe@rson: Nope - NRN-TFS is, at 1,744nm as the crow flies. PIK-TFS is 1,727nm as the crow flies.
30 BCAL: Maybe it would be good to have some competition. Some of the fares charged by U2 for a return LGW-LPA flight in peak season were exorbitant - even hi
31 Pe@rson: Other new routes today: LPL-FAO LPL-BTS LPL-RZE PIK-ALC PIK-PMI
32 Humberside: PIK-IBZ also announced for next summer Are any off these new Canaries route operating more than 3xWeek?
33 Pe@rson: Yes: MAD-TFS, ACE, LPA are all daily. Which isn't surprising.
34 Flycro: MOL bangs on about UK departure tax and how he won't fly from from here anymore to get some free publicity yet most of his new routes to the Canaries
35 Pe@rson: Is the media really that stupid to continually publish whatever he says and to thus generate huge amounts of free publicity? Yes to both.
36 Boeing74741R: FR have been trampling on easyJet's feet at LPL on other routes for some time now, so not much of a surprise that they're continuing to do so. Not ev
37 Gkirk: Indeed. I thus very much doubt that FR can beat the likes of EZY, LS, TOM, TCX and MON to the Canaries from the UK at least who all offer more luggag
38 Babybus: The Canary Islands is a very long flight to be sitting squished up in a tiny 738 for 4 hours. It won't be on my wish list.
39 Gkirk: It isn't that bad actually. And I wouldn't exactly call a 738 tiny either. It's these sort of routes that the 738 was made for
40 RAFVC10: When is supposed to be the starting flights from ALC and PMI? Regards, Gerard
41 NEMA: I cant really agree, apart from the 738 being appropriate for this trip, you could be on a 757, A321, or even a larger aircraft and the actual sittin
42 Pe@rson: PIK-ALC 4x weekly (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun) starting 25th Oct PIK-PMI 1x weekly (Sat) starting 31st Oct Presumably PMI will see an increase for the peak s
43 Flybehubby: I've done it on an XL 738, was fine. Agreed, I actually find the seat pitch of the FR 738 better than the TCX A321. Maybe its because FR dont have se
44 Richardw: But the actual economy seat you are sat on is different.
45 JJJ: The airport fee discounts are given to every airline who grows in passenger numbers, they're not exclusive to FR. They're supposed to boost tourist c
46 NEMA: Theyre almost all economy on most flights/airlines doing this trip aren't they? As much as i dislike FR for just about everything they stand for in t
47 Pe@rson: Who said they were? Certainly not me. Obviously they will, hence the ability to get very favourable deals.
48 Babybus: I can't remember the dimensions of the FR seats but I do know the EZY seats on their A320s are very narrow compared to say BA. It's something to do w
49 Jdevora: I got the same impression from reply 24, that FR got a special deal because its aggressive negotiation tactics. As additional info, a few links of th
50 Gilesdavies: Its absolutely no difference to easyJet squeezing 156 passengers on an A319, or a Monarch A320 with 180 SEATS or their A321 with 220 passengers on. O
51 Pe@rson: Then you misinterpreted what I wrote. Of course FR negotiates fiercely - as all airlines should - and that it rightly uses its reputation, skill and
52 JJJ: Not if FR just takes passengers away from other airlines. I hope that's not the case, given that a number of new destinations are not served by any o
53 Richardw: A Monarch A320/1 seat is different to a new FR B738 and a U2 A319 seat and a 4U A319 seat. I have noticed a great variety of comfort level amongst di
54 Pe@rson: You do realise that demand stimulation is absolutely key for FR (and LCCs in general)? In addition, of course some people will switch airlines - ther
55 Acelanzarote: I hope the routes work out, question is how many will operate during summer 2010? With Serville also becoming a Ryananir base perhaps they will in tim
56 Pe@rson: Yeah, it seems logical to serve more mainland Spanish cities from the Canary Islands. No idea. It would be nice to know the real reason for their dep
57 BCAL: The answer is on FR's website Mr O'Leary Jnr, sorry I meant Pe@rson Read more
58 Pe@rson: Hence why I said real reason, Mr Grinning Pullover!
59 NEMA: Best laugh ive had on here for a long while....now i guess i'll get slated for this comment too...hehe
60 Jdevora: Yep, any airline that plans to move more passengers in the 2nd half of the year than in the first one has a 100% discount in the landing fees, not ne
61 Acelanzarote: Certainly looks like FUE will be the losser here then, and unless AIE backs down which I doubt, FUE will remain missing from the Ryananir route map f
62 KaiGywer: Sounds good. I've wanted to go to the Canary Islands, but there are no good way of getting there from the US. I can now non-rev to MAD and catch a fli
63 Pe@rson: Or EZY; in fact, just saw €9 or so one-way tax-inclusive fares for later this year from the Canaries to MAD. Needless to say, extremely cheap.
64 Jdevora: Air Europa just started the flight UX095-6 From Tenerife to Miami, I think it is the most convenient option Cheers JD
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