Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4088 posts, RR: 18 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2306 times:
BRUSSELS, July 28 (Reuters) - The European Union should scrutinise more closely the competitive advantage enjoyed by transatlantic airline alliances to ensure they do not violate antitrust rules, Emirates Airlines said late on Monday.
Airlines that spent years ramping up their international operations have been hit by the recession that has hammered demand for overseas travel. In response, many major airlines are forging partnerships that allow them to cut costs and capacity.
But such airline alliances and growing government support for consolidation to avert corporate failures, could have an adverse long-term impact on independent airlines, Andrew Parker, a senior vice president at Dubai-based Emirates, told Reuters.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15714 posts, RR: 48 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter): The European Union should scrutinise more closely the competitive advantage enjoyed by transatlantic airline alliances to ensure they do not violate antitrust rules, Emirates Airlines said late on Monday.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2259 times:
I would think that EK would be wary of making attacks like this as they could draw the investigators attention to themselves. There are more than a few players out there who consider that EK indulges in capacity dumping which can also be considered anti-competitive if it forces competition out of the market .
[Edited 2009-07-28 07:33:17]
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6612 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
This EK statement seems to me to be just publicity posturing. I cannot believe that they are not already aware that the EU investigations it demands are already underway:
There is also a not yet completed EU investigation into Skyteam that dates back as far as 2005 or 2006. So although the above document talks of "priority", do not hold your breath!
SInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2104 times:
Not a surprise considering they got their hands on that 'confidential' Star Alliance presentation which posed various ways that member airlines could "deal" with Emirates.
Joeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 6): Not a surprise considering they got their hands on that 'confidential' Star Alliance presentation which posed various ways that member airlines could "deal" with Emirates.
Interesting...can this presentation be found any where or is it still confidential to Star and 'Emirates' now.
SInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Reply 7): can this presentation be found any where
Unfortunately it eludes me. I've not seen it anywhere
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10646 posts, RR: 100 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1965 times:
I half wonder if this is a bow shot to AC & LH over Canadian?German access bilateral rights?
Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 6): Not a surprise considering they got their hands on that 'confidential' Star Alliance presentation which posed various ways that member airlines could "deal" with Emirates.
If true, that is a huge find for EK. Say what you will about them, this gives them a leg up.
It behoves EK to keep the spotlight on the alliances. This could get very interesting!
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1867 times:
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Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter): BRUSSELS, July 28 (Reuters) - The European Union should scrutinise more closely the competitive advantage enjoyed by transatlantic airline alliances to ensure they do not violate antitrust rules, Emirates Airlines said late on Monday.
Quoting Incitatus (Reply 2): How about "Airline Alliances Urge more Scrutiny of Emirates"? Wink
This is ridonculous!
Well, this is because they become too big that airlines and specially alliances begin to be bother by EK. This for sure is the begin of a non-disclosed war of EK against alliances and probably vice-versa.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15714 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 9): I half wonder if this is a bow shot to AC & LH over Canadian?German access bilateral rights?
I'm not sure. EK needs Canada and Germany much more than their respective carriers need DXB.
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4088 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1795 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): Well, this is because they become too big that airlines and specially alliances begin to be bother by EK. This for sure is the begin of a non-disclosed war of EK against alliances and probably vice-versa.
Oh the war has been ongoing for years, and involves more players than just EK (and other Mideast airlines + SQ) vs. "the alliances" -- national governments have gotten involved in a big way, too. The USA, UK, and India have been essentially running negotiators around the globe over the past 3-5 years to sign Open Skies deals with most any country in large part to counter the threat posed by third-country air carriers.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10646 posts, RR: 100 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11): EK needs Canada and Germany much more than their respective carriers need DXB.
No doubt. But both have been very resistive to new slots for Dubai (EK). But there is a reason I phrased 'half wonder.' I'm very unsure as EK seems to be getting more 'testy' in the press. I hope that is part of a strategy and not being reactive...
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): This for sure is the begin of a non-disclosed war of EK against alliances and probably vice-versa.
Nitpick: In my opinion this 'war' has been going on for at least two years. EK has won some battles (e.g., vs. AF to India), but lost others (more Canadian bilateral rights).
I really hope the PowerPoint by *A is just an urban myth. If they were silly enough to do that, it gives ammo to every non-alliance airline to go after the alliances. It has seemed that *A has something against EK for a bit...
Is it just me, or is EK trying FR's tactic to put themselves in the spotlight any way they can? The old 'I do not care what you write about me, just make sure you spell my name correctly.'
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
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Quoting Avek00 (Reply 12): Oh the war has been ongoing for years, and involves more players than just EK (and other Mideast airlines + SQ) vs. "the alliances" -- national governments have gotten involved in a big way, too. The USA, UK, and India have been essentially running negotiators around the globe over the past 3-5 years to sign Open Skies deals with most any country in large part to counter the threat posed by third-country air carriers.
Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13): Nitpick: In my opinion this 'war' has been going on for at least two years. EK has won some battles (e.g., vs. AF to India), but lost others (more Canadian bilateral rights).
Agree, but during the past years, the economic growing and the global boom, specially in India, China and other countries may have reduce arguments as there was room and market for everyone.
Now that the market become more disputed, and the economy is not doing so well world wide, this brings a more serious issue among the carriers and/or alliances.
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