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Aeroflot To Feature "Eye-Catching, Striking" Crew!  
User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13683 times:

Russian Girl - you're a Great Way To Fly? No doubt this will raise many issues amongst those one of ethics.

I strongly suggest reading the full article.



Aeroflot Makeover to Include A ‘Very Striking’ Cabin Crew

Aeroflot personnel have received special training in customer service, and the company’s flight attendants will be “eye-catching girls” that will not exceed a size 48, new CEO Vitaly Savelyev told reporters at a news conference.

Flight attendants — presumably female — will have to comply with height and weight regulations, not exceeding 160 centimeters in height and a size 48, Savelyev said. “These will be very eye-catching, very striking girls,” he said.

The airline boss also noted that a select group of flight attendants were flown to Singapore to receive hospitality training with Singapore Airlines, which Savelyev called the “world leader in customer service.”

More at Moscow Times


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13664 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Flight attendants — presumably female — will have to comply with height and weight regulations, not exceeding 160 centimeters in height and a size 48,

Not taller than 160cm?? That is not too striking, I'm a tall guy and like women that are taller than 170cm.


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1032 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13661 times:

Beauty is ok, but experience and professionalism are more important qualities for a flight attendant in my opinion. Of course, if they're both good looking and do a great job inflight, it's even better.  Smile

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Flight attendants --- presumably female --- will have to comply with height and weight regulations, not exceeding 160 centimeters in height and a size 48, Savelyev said.

Sounds more like the prerequisites of a model agency than an airline. Interesting idea of business, though. I wonder if it will attract more passengers.



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User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5622 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Eye catching is great, but these FA's need to stop striking the passengers!

 Smile

-Dave



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13404 times:
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Yes, 160cm strikes me as a bit...short.

That being said, watching "Top Gear: Russia" I must say that there are many fine-looking women in those audiences so if they were serving the borscht and black bread on Aeroflot...  Wink  cloudnine 


User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13214 times:

Is that a new cost cutting measure?

I hope they won't be striking over unpaid salary or striking me with cookware though. Unfortunately those were my first thoughts when I saw the headline.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6341 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13054 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Flight attendants — presumably female — will have to comply with height and weight regulations, not exceeding 160 centimeters in height and a size 48, Savelyev said. “These will be very eye-catching, very striking girls,” he said.

The body is great and all, but I notice there are no rules on here to make sure the women's faces don't look like a horses  Wink  duck 


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19924 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12853 times:

Is Aeroflot trying to become the next SQ or EK?

User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12580 times:

As if there weren't enough of those striking FAs in SUs fleet already  Smile

But the height 160 cm? I hope that is an error. Should anything of the emergency kind occur, I'd rather have a 180cm woman kick the door out...



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User currently offlineFlylot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12481 times:



Quoting SashA (Reply 8):
I'd rather have a 180cm woman kick the door out...

that what they have the ugly crew for  Wink



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12452 times:

I hope size 48 means something different over there, otherwise it's back to the soviet days.


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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12205 times:



Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 10):
I hope size 48 means something different over there, otherwise it's back to the soviet days.

Ha! I was thinking the same. I think most elephants would fit in a size 48 in the United States.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

By eye catching he probably means short skirt and no knickers.

Have you noticed that many former Soviet state airlines have uniforms with very short skirts? I noticed that on CSA airlines.


User currently offlineAyubogg From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11082 times:



Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 11):
Ha! I was thinking the same. I think most elephants would fit in a size 48 in the United States.

The article said that is equivalent to US sizes 12-14. That means they won't all be heroin-chic-supermodel-skinny. It's a healthy size without being overweigh or underweight in my opinion. Ideally they would all be no bigger than a US size 7 but at least SU is keeping it real and not demanding impossible standards.

I'm guessing it has to do with giving their current F/A's a realistic size so as to not lose a big percentage of F/A's currently flying, but they are probably going to be more selective in the hiring process in the future.

I for one welcome this decision. I've always been one to support the rebirth of elegant air travel involving beautiful people. Superficial? Perhaps, but that's just my $0.02

-Ayubogg



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User currently offlineStickers From South Africa, joined Sep 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

I'm curious.
The employment laws in my country are fairly strict. Given the history of South Africa, there is an understandale sensitivity to discrimination of any kind.
While one certainly can understand that there are some physical restrictions in being a FA, such as having to fit in an aisle or being strong enough to open a door, these are pretty broad and forgiving and one can have some heavey or thin, tall or short, male or female, beautiful or ugly, old or young FA's all within the actual restrictions as dictated by a job description or aircraft dimensions. The employment of a FA based on wether or not they are "striking and eye-catching" would never be tolerated in SA.
Here's where the curiosity comes in...
...What would happen if they started to gain weight, got pregnant, had an operation that left a scar or mark on their face, will they have to have a regular weigh in? Could they be fired dimissed or transferred based on these issues? I personally would feel uncomfortable with that level of discrimination... (But maybe i'm just sensitive to it given my context.) After all, beauty is more than just looks, personality and nature contribute significantly to the beauty of a person. I mean, its lovely to be served by a beautiful FA, but should i be served by one that wasn't very attractive, but pleasant, happy, and capable, thats just wonderful. I certainly wouldn't buy a ticket based on whose got the prettiest FA's. In fact, given the choice, i would rather be served by an experienced, less attractive FA who is kind, considerate, and thinks of the customers needs than by a beautiful one who is less competent. (Not that that would neccessarily be the case.)
And as illustrated in the comments already posted, one persons tastes in beauty isn't the same as another. Whats eye-cathcing for one may not be so for another, so who gets to decide?
In any case, this wouldn't really be tolerated in SA, and i personally think thats the right attitude. I recently recieved the most kind, thoughtful service i have ever had, from a 40+ not particularly attractive FA on SAA, and would trade any of the "eye catching, striking" attendants i have had in the past to have that kind of service again.

(NB - Not to say that beautiful FA's don't or can't give the same standard of service)


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8579 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10404 times:
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Personally I would rather that they ( and other airlines) recruited crew on the basis of personality and competence .

A nice looking woman is great ( and of course from my point of view a nice looking man is even better  Wink ) but if they snarl at me , or cannot manage to pour wine without spilling it on me , or spend all their time hiding in the toilet/galley keeping their image immaculate rather than actually in the cabin attending to pax ( clue : the job is 'cabin attendant' ) then I would happily trade them for a friendly 'horse-faced' person of any gender who is good at their job and wants to treat the pax in a pleasant and professional manner .



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4756 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

I was just informed that this report is errorneous. While SU did receive training in Singapore, it wasn't from SQ. Which isn't surprising because SQ would not even go near to Silk Air and Tiger (both of which they have a stake in) regarding training their cabin crew about service, let alone SU.

[Edited 2009-07-29 01:10:39]


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8579 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10253 times:
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Quoting Stickers (Reply 14):
I recently recieved the most kind, thoughtful service i have ever had, from a 40+ not particularly attractive FA on SAA, and would trade any of the "eye catching, striking" attendants i have had in the past to have that kind of service again.

100% agreed with you Stickers , over the years the crew members who have stood out in my memory have been for their service and personality , not for their looks*.

I remember a 'mature' NZ cabin attendant who realised that the pax opposite her was terrified of flying and made an extra effort to smile and give reassurance during take-off and landing and to check on them regularly during the flight , I remember a QF cabin attendant chasing through the terminal after a pax who had left their camera on board , I remember a CP Air cabin attendant during the quiet part of a night flight taking time to sit with a pax in the row ahead of me who was travelling for a bereavement . I remember an NZ crew member who asked me 'Weren't you on my PVG-AKL flight last week ?, I was sure that I recognised you ' .I remember an LH cabin attendant volunteering at the end of a late-running LAX-FRA flight to walk to the transfer desk with a pax who was scared of missing their once-a-day connecting flight . In contrast I dont remember a single SQ cabin attendant from any of my flights with them , all were very nice , all were very attractive , but not one was outstanding.






* except of course for one gorgeous AF guy who sat in the jump seat opposite me flirting outrageously , hey , I am only human .



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User currently offlineKleinjakob From Austria, joined Jun 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Babybus, Czechoslovakia wasn't a soviet country. Indeed they where in the Warsaw Pact, so to say the "eastern bloc", but they definitely had their problems with Moscow...

On topic, the numbers sound strange to me, Russian 48 is about 12-14 US and 42-44 European if Google is right, although fine it is still very large to announce it as "striking". 160cm (5' 3" !) is really small except on a RJ  Smile Unless they want to become the smurf and troll airline of the future.

Jakob


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9972 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
not exceeding 160 centimeters in height

huh? That's nearly dwarf size


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9953 times:

Considering that this airline was once famous for its surly employees and awful service, I'm sure this will be a welcome change!


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User currently onlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9348 times:

Whilst I notice the article discusses size, I wonder how much of this will be simply not so much a change in the hiring and firing practices but more a commitment to up keep grooming standards, to the highest level, form where ever they currently are at SU (are they high do the staff look well presented? I simply don't know). Perhaps also ensuring that the uniform is more stylish and up to date, usually these things are all that really need to change. What has SU officially said on the subject? Is there a section of their employment site that covers equal opportunities employment?


I must concede however I am certainly all for equal opportunities employment, however I do perhaps feel that some form of 'fitness' test should perhaps be incorporated into annual EPs, not to demonstrates ones 'athletic fitness prowess' but their abilities in an emergency. And if the 80 year old bloke who is 165kg can pass, do up the jump seat seat belt, and fits through all exits then good for him I say!!


User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9083 times:



Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 11):

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 10):
I hope size 48 means something different over there, otherwise it's back to the soviet days.

Ha! I was thinking the same. I think most elephants would fit in a size 48 in the United States.

Agreed. I had the same thought when I first read this. In the US, if you were 160 cm and a size 48 you'd be wider than you were tall.

Can anyone translate a Russian size 48 into a comparable US size? I'm guessing size 5 or 6 at the most.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9083 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
100% agreed with you Stickers , over the years the crew members who have stood out in my memory have been for their service and personality , not for their looks*.

Agree!
Service should be the primary objective while looking stunning should be the icing on the cake.

Off the topic....

Aeroflot postpones A320 deliveries but plans to lease MD-11s

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...deliveries-but-plans-to-lease.html

Quote:
Aeroflot is postponing deliveries of five Airbus A320-family aircraft, following its recent examination of capacity requirements.

The Russian flag carrier is also to lease three Boeing MD-11s from Boeing Capital, having already opted to withdraw its long-haul Ilyushin Il-86 fleet.



User currently onlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8996 times:



Quoting Rbgso (Reply 22):
Can anyone translate a Russian size 48 into a comparable US size? I'm guessing size 5 or 6 at the most

It states in the article;

The Russian size 48 is equivalent to a U.S. measurement of 12 to 14.


25 Fridgmus : No worries Doc, that definitely ain't gonna happen! A bit of trivia, Marilyn Monroe was a size 14! Superfly's getting excited about now!!!
26 Egyptair269 : Hmm I think I'll be flying Aeroflot soon!
27 Post contains links L410Turbolet : The wonderful thing about a.net aviation forums is that you always learn something new... even from geograophy and politics Anyway, not sure what "ve
28 Pylon101 : I was wondering if many a.netters flew Aeroflot in older times. On international routes Aeroflot FA were always srikingly great looking - and very nic
29 AirCatalonia : A 160cm woman with a 42-44 size? Not very positively striking to me
30 Mayor : Ok...big difference......I thought maybe they had been talking to the AFA.
31 HomaDreaming : Why just the female crew? They should have strict requirements for guys too....After all if attractiveness of its crew is such an extremely important
32 DocLightning : I'm just wondering if the rest of us are going to get any hot Russian men. You know, their women aren't the only pretty thing they have there...
33 HomaDreaming : lol, agreed
34 Pylon101 : F/A is not considered "gay occupation'" in Russia. So many male SU F/A look Alpha-male-like. Though eventually it's a look )
35 AFGMEL : You're right of course. The generally held opinion was that SU female FAs were very plain ladies, but most people wouldn't know first hand. On the ot
36 LTBEWR : I am quite sure Aeroflot gets hundreds of applicants for each opening considering the terrible economy in the Russian Federation. With such a pool of
37 Post contains links Seemyseems : They just had a large discussion about this on Radio 2, link. And as usual someone bashed Aeroflot, and they forgot to mention their great image today
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