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America West Had PTV's? (pic)  
User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Searching through photos, I found a picture of an America West interior back in 2000, and the seats have screens in them. Can anyone elaborate on this?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...d=155a70a3073390823f45bf1bf47b5541

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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

I'm not too sure about this, but strangely enough some of the old HP aircraft still have little postage stamp size screens at the bulkhead rows. Of course they're not used, but strange to see.

User currently offlineSANAV8R From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7843 times:

I don't think it actually had any A/V programming but had flight/airport information, paging-telephone services, and games from what I remember seeing in a magazine many years ago (I believe it was Airliners).

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

You can see the normal screens being used under the overhead bins in the pic. I don't think HP ever used the PTV's, hence why they're off. Interesting to note that this pic was taken 2 years before I came over to HP. First time I have ever seen a pic like that....how weird!


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User currently offlineVapar8 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7714 times:



Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 2):

He or she is correct. They had games and stuff, but they were not PTV's.


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

I can tell you exactly what those were, because they were fairly cutting edge at the time. It was called FlightLink. They were not actually TV screens they were more like liquid crystal displays. FlightLink was added in the early 90s to all seat backs at no cost to HP (CO also briefly had this on some a/c I think). This fee for service system provided interactive news, weather, sports and games in a readable format on the screen. A telephone with keyboard game functions was also included. There were big plans to add many more applications, but the company providing FlightLink went broke. HP was then very slow to remove the system from the seats.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7529 times:



Quoting Junction (Reply 5):

US had them on their 734



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3793 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

I seem to remember DL having something offering games on a 757 flight I was on in 1995. Was this the same system?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7441 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 7):
I seem to remember DL having something offering games on a 757 flight I was on in 1995. Was this the same system?

I don't think DL ever had such a system on their a/c.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

I guess this is a good time to ask a question. Back in March/April of 2001, I flew MSP/PHX on HP. The flight down was on a 733, and the flight back was on an A320. The A320 had the usual flip-down LCDs, and I remember a movie being played. But I'm almost positive that the flight down on the 733 had these screens we're talking about, but of course they weren't used. However the kicker is that I remember it as there being only ONE screen per 3-seat row, in the middle seat. Now I'm just going off my memory here, so I could be dead wrong on the number, but I'm positive that there was a screen of some type and number. Can anyone shed some light on the HP 733 fleet at the time in regards to these screens? I've researched the ship number before, and I believe I came up with N324AW, which left the HP fleet a few years later.

User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7124 times:

Thanks for all the info, I seem to remember NW trying something like this in the early 90's on a 744 which obviously didn't work out.

A couple more questions. Was this a touchscreen system? And do any US
aircraft with the older HP interior still have these screens in deactivated mode?


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6692 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7073 times:



Quoting Junction (Reply 5):
(CO also briefly had this on some a/c I think). This fee for service system provided interactive news, weather, sports and games in a readable format on the screen.

I DEFINITELY remember CO having these screens. I flew a 757 from EWR-SAN in 1996 and I ordered an airplane model from one of those screens. The screens could process the credit card, skymall magazine items, games, etc. Not sure if every seat had them or just the middle seat in each 3x3 row. It was a LONG time ago.



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User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7015 times:



Quoting NWA320 (Reply 10):
A couple more questions. Was this a touchscreen system? And do any US
aircraft with the older HP interior still have these screens in deactivated mode?

There was a handheld controller that came out of the armrest. I think there are still a couple of A320s floating around with the deactivated screens on the bulkhead wall, but I'm not too sure.



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User currently offlineFlyboy1108 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6296 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9):
I guess this is a good time to ask a question. Back in March/April of 2001, I flew MSP/PHX on HP. The flight down was on a 733, and the flight back was on an A320. The A320 had the usual flip-down LCDs, and I remember a movie being played. But I'm almost positive that the flight down on the 733 had these screens we're talking about

Back in the day when I was 10 or 11, my dad used his CO OnePass miles to fly my mother and myself to visit my her parents in RNO. Back in the day HP and CO had some sort of codeshare going on, and we left out of EWR and flew on an A319 to CMH then PHX, and in PHX we got on a 733 to RNO. I remember these seatback tv things vividly because I was playing a game like the old atari game pong, and I kept losing because the turbulence flying over the mountains into RNO was worse than usual that day, and we were bumping around so much I couldn't keep my finger on the screen to move the paddle to hit the ball lol. I don't recall there being any tv shows or movies to watch, so it wasn't an AVOD or LiveTV type thing, but you could definately play games on it. So yes, they definately existed and even at one time were functional  Smile

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5764 times:



Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 2):



I don't think it actually had any A/V programming but had flight/airport information, paging-telephone services, and games from what I remember seeing in a magazine many years ago (I believe it was Airliners).

Hmmm, I took my first trip on HP in 1997, and I remember seeing these screens, deactivated  Sad I never witnessed one in operation, ever (and I flew several times on HP between 1997 and the very end of HP, the merger with US).

They started to get pretty scratched up as time went on...

HP also had air phones in each seat row...on the back of the middle seat headrest of the seats in front.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5090 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
HP also had air phones in each seat row...on the back of the middle seat headrest of the seats in front.

Most airlines did, IIRC.... UA and AS had them.



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User currently offlineKevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

HP never used the Ptv's . I think the a/c may have come from another airline or they use to have pvtv's but then took that away.


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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4606 times:



Quoting Vapar8 (Reply 4):
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 2):


He or she is correct. They had games and stuff, but they were not PTV's.

Sure, I remember playing Tetris on one. There was a device that looked like a TV remote with the controls, that extended with a cord out of the arm rest. The remote was also the phone. Remember using that once, too, before everyone had cell phones.

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User currently offlineUGA777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

HP did use them as late as 1996. I flew a 757 in June of 96 and they were working.

User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

I remember flying an HP 757 from BWI-PHX back in 2000, and there were "PTV" type things on the seatbacks. It was basically a black screen the entire flight, and I couldn't even figure out how to turn them on if I wanted to because there were no controls for it. I totally forgot about these things, but thanks for jogging my memory!


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User currently offlineNewyork355 From France, joined Jul 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

I saw them on CO and US in 1996. On CO, they were on their MD-80s and their 733s, and on US they were on their MD-80s. I remember on CO, the screens were only installed in the first few rows of Y.


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User currently offlineExitrowaisle From United States of America, joined May 2000, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

As the person who took the photo in question, and a frequent HP traveler in that era, I'll add that almost every America West plane I was on during that time, except the new A319s, had the screens, but no controls, and I never once saw them work. My understanding was all the electronics for the system had already been removed years prior. A few planes had the screens covered with plastic panels, but most just looked like the photo. The only benefit was the seats had higher-than-normal backs to accomodate the screens, which made the coach cabins seem a little more private. I also don't remember any HP planes with Airfones. I think the phones were in the handsets that got removed.

It's funny how many times people have asked about that photo in the years since it was taken!


User currently offlineNWA320 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3326 times:



Quoting Exitrowaisle (Reply 21):
My understanding was all the electronics for the system had already been removed years prior.

Must have been quite a dissapointment for passengers who boarded the plane and got excited for their personal entertainment, only to find out that they had been deactivated!


User currently offlineERJ From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I always wondered about those screens. I'd forgotten about them, but when I flew HP frequently back in 1999-2005, they were always off and usually scratched. I never saw any controls. I do remember AirFones, but I'd have to guess I saw them on the 757. I think the phones came off before the screens.

Does anybody have a link for more info on this FlightLink company? Fascinating that there was this technology 15 years ago. Not that the mid-90's were lacking in technology, but that such personal entertainment existed, then vanished, and is only now returning to the mainstream.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3070 times:



Quoting Exitrowaisle (Reply 21):
The only benefit was the seats had higher-than-normal backs to accomodate the screens, which made the coach cabins seem a little more private.

I did not like that...



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25 AA777223 : Why were these even there? Were these purchased second-hand? That would perhaps explain. It seems strange to spend the money to order a PTV system and
26 KELPkid : IIRC, HP's A320's were originally intended for one of the various re-incarnations of Braniff that had successfully ordered the birds...
27 Wn676 : The system was called Flightlink, and was installed fleet-wide in 1994. I remember using it a couple of times between PHX and SJC. HP deactivated the
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