MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31114 posts, RR: 74 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6943 times:
Quoting OP3000 (Reply 5): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I'm trying one out for the first time tomorrow, but I've heard they are a lot more uncomfortable than the older 738s.
In what way? Is seating capacity the same as the older ones?
No, its more seats. Less pitch in Y, and I've heard the F seats are less comfortable as well, and that was from an FA friend of mine who was telling me that the complaints are common. I believe the seats are the same basic seats - maybe its the padding.
Crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6742 times:
Thanks for the responses. I do also see that by looking at future schedules, there are some new routes on the new 738s compared to today...such as MCI-ORD, as pointed out above. Also, LAS-ORD will be going to all (new) 738s.
To answer some previous questions, the distinctions between the "new" and "old" 738s are that the new ones have (IIRC) thinner seats that slide forward when you recline, new LCD overhead screens, bigger overhead compartments, and "normal" power outlets in every row. There are other features too that I can't recall.
You can tell if a plane is a new or old 738 by looking at the seat map (or load factors if you have access to that). The new 738s have 144 seats in Y versus the old ones having 132 seats in Y. Also, the new ones (and only the new ones) are flying into and out of ORD for now.
Thanks again. If anyone else knows of other markets currently being served by the new 738s, please post.
Flyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 571 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6241 times:
I have worked this flight several times between ORD and LAX MSP and PHL. While I personally notice differences between the "old" and "new," I have to tell you I have received nothing but praise from both f/c and m/c passengers. I have asked f/c passengers how they like the seats, ammenities etc and havent received a single complaint.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2201 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6223 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
No, its more seats. Less pitch in Y, and I've heard the F seats are less comfortable as well,
I think that the Y seats are slimline seats and they added more capacity by removing a galley and/or a closet.
According to SeatGuru, the galleys, closets are no change between version 1 and 2. If you look close, there's an extra row of Y seats before the wing exits and an extra row behind the wing exits. one version is shown as 31/32 pitch, the new one 31 pitch.
If you look close at the F seats, there seems to be no room in front of the first row. Maybe the Closet and galley have space for your feet. Looks uncomfortable as drawn.
Looking at the AA PC schedule, I see the 738 on
Flt 503 ORD 11445 SAN 1350 turning to Flt 1358 SAN 1445 ORD 2040
Looking at some other markets also in Oct, the 738 is on the following ORD markets:
LAX 6 of 9 flights
SEA 2 of 4
RNO 1 of 1
SNA 1 of 3
LAS 4 of 4
MSP 3 of 8
MCI 3 of 6
MSY 2 of 3 (other an RJ)
FLL 1 of 1
TPA 2 of 2
I gave up and didn't look at the East and NE.
Too bad the most noise-impacted airports in CA, SAN, SJC and BUR continue to be almost all M80s.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6148 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 21): According to SeatGuru, the galleys, closets are no change between version 1 and 2. If you look close, there's an extra row of Y seats before the wing exits and an extra row behind the wing exits. one version is shown as 31/32 pitch, the new one 31 pitch.
It looks that way according to the diagram, but the aircraft description at the top of the page says this:
"This version of AA's 737-800 has 12 additional economy seats, reduced seat pitch, thinner seats, a smaller bulkhead divider between the two cabins, and two less service-cart storage cabinets behind the last row. The one inch seat pitch loss is mitigated by seat bottoms that slide forward and back, so that when a passenger reclines, the seat gives more knee room to the person seated directly behind."
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5976 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 21): Too bad the most noise-impacted airports in CA, SAN, SJC and BUR continue to be almost all M80s.
I was wondering when we'll see ORD-SJC & SFO go 738s? I would think the longer west coast flights would change from the M80s to 738s before other markets with the exception of continuing service i.e, LAX-ORD-MSP etc..
How long will it be before SNA goes all 738s to ORD?
How are routes choosen as to whcih get the new equipment before other cities? Does it have to do with what competition is flying on the same route?
25 PRAirbus: AA flights from ORD-SJU will become (2) daily 738s instead of the current (1) 757 and (1) addtl 757 on weekends. Most likely those (2) 738s will be th
26 CALPSAFltSkeds: I don't think a review of AA's 738 deployments to date would say that competition is a factor. There are probably several factors that make up the ro
27 1337Delta764: FYI, these are the same slimline seats that DL has on their 738s (Weber 5751 seats to be exact), except AA's seats have winged headrests. I actually
28 LAXdude1023: From what I understand, the first routes to see 738's replace S80's are (in this order): 1) ORD-West Coast 2) ORD-destinations that need more capacity
29 Ward86IND: I was pretty comfortable on the new DL 738 seats, and I'm 6'3''
30 AAR90: "Old" models only - I've been flying that "turn" for two months. 738 = yes, on hot summer days. Not all that much, but more often than the 752s.
31 Dtw757: You are most likely right as all new 738's will be flown exclusively from ORD[Edited 2009-07-30 12:00:46] In fact it is true. I just looked it up and
32 COEWR2587: Here's a link to a video of the new 738's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ihFbT9CGo In my opinion, the "new" first class doesn't look the great. I t
33 Jetstar: Probably never, HPN has a passenger cap of 230 passengers per half hour. AE has 5 HPN-ORD flights a day into HPN using 44 seat ERJ’s for a total of
34 LAXdude1023: Thats not accurate. ORD is the first market to see them because the ORD-West Coast flights need to have the S80's replaced. When that is done, the DF
35 KELPkid: I'll say. That means 1 more F/A is required... It also means that AA has the potential to get far more revenue out of the bird IMHO, 148 is a VERY lo
36 OP3000: The F cabin looks like premium economy. The cloth looks cheap in C and while the seats have less padding there is no more legroom than older versions
37 DTW757: I should rephrase that. Currently the new 738's are being operated as a "sub fleet" exclusively from ORD.
38 ABQ747: Is there any chance AA will operate the 738 on ORD-ABQ? I've heard that the MD-80's really struggle out of ABQ due to the high altitude.
39 DFWEagle: Looks like you already got all the routes! As of today, 32 daily flights are scheduled for the new 738 (38D). All flights originate or terminate at O
40 1337Delta764: I know this is true for DL's ABQ-ATL flight in the summer, so DL sends their 752s (and occasionally their 738s) to ABQ to better handle the hot-and-h
41 Qqflyboy: I sat as a pax in seat 8F about a month ago from ORD to RNO on the new 738. I definitely noticed the reduced seat pitch, but the design of the new sea
42 Ckfred: Although everyone thinks that the "new" 738s are replacing MD-80s, some 757s are being replaced out of ORD, such as flying to SNA and ORD. On some rou
43 Crosswinds21: Wow thanks for that comprehensive list. That definitely answers it! I haven't had a chance to fly AA new 738s yet but if the seats are indeed like on