Crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7028 times:
Hello,
I was wondering if someone can provide an updated list of where AA currently flies its new 738s out of ORD. There was a discussion about this last month but it looks like that thread is archived.
Anyway, I did some searching and found that the new 738s fly to ORD from the following cities: LAX, LAS, RNO, MSP, TPA, PHL, DCA, MSY. Are there any others that I missed?
AA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7033 times:
I have several flights this fall booked between MCI and ORD on AA 738s. Quite a ncie surprise.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7004 times:
There is an ORD-EWR-ORD turnaround with an AA 738 Dec-March.
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
QANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1800 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6978 times:
Quoting Crosswinds21 (Thread starter): I was wondering if someone can provide an updated list of where AA currently flies its new 738s
I've been hearing quite a lot lately about AA new 738s. Why are they being called "new" if they've been around since around 1999? I even saw a photo that was a "sneak preview" of AA's NEW 738!
My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
OP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1678 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6971 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3): I'm trying one out for the first time tomorrow, but I've heard they are a lot more uncomfortable than the older 738s.
In what way? Is seating capacity the same as the older ones?
Robt760 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6972 times:
I read somewhere that beginning mid-August, SNA-ORD and ORD-ATL will have 738 service on some scheduled flights.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31114 posts, RR: 74 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6943 times:
Quoting OP3000 (Reply 5): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I'm trying one out for the first time tomorrow, but I've heard they are a lot more uncomfortable than the older 738s.
In what way? Is seating capacity the same as the older ones?
No, its more seats. Less pitch in Y, and I've heard the F seats are less comfortable as well, and that was from an FA friend of mine who was telling me that the complaints are common. I believe the seats are the same basic seats - maybe its the padding.
Robt760 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6919 times:
Also note that the total anticipated number of new 738's by the end of 2009 is 31. It's very likely we'll see increased service on current routes and introductions to new routes.
On a side note: I've noticed one of the daily LAX-DEN flights has a 738, though not sure if it's the new aircraft of existing.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6893 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7): I believe the seats are the same basic seats - maybe its the padding.
No they're different in that they are the seats that move forward as you recline. I found them uncomfortable too.
Crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6742 times:
Thanks for the responses. I do also see that by looking at future schedules, there are some new routes on the new 738s compared to today...such as MCI-ORD, as pointed out above. Also, LAS-ORD will be going to all (new) 738s.
To answer some previous questions, the distinctions between the "new" and "old" 738s are that the new ones have (IIRC) thinner seats that slide forward when you recline, new LCD overhead screens, bigger overhead compartments, and "normal" power outlets in every row. There are other features too that I can't recall.
You can tell if a plane is a new or old 738 by looking at the seat map (or load factors if you have access to that). The new 738s have 144 seats in Y versus the old ones having 132 seats in Y. Also, the new ones (and only the new ones) are flying into and out of ORD for now.
Thanks again. If anyone else knows of other markets currently being served by the new 738s, please post.
L1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6721 times:
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6715 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7): No, its more seats. Less pitch in Y, and I've heard the F seats are less comfortable as well,
I think that the Y seats are slimline seats and they added more capacity by removing a galley and/or a closet.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6593 times:
Quoting Crosswinds21 (Thread starter): ...738s fly to ORD from the following cities: LAX, LAS, RNO, MSP, TPA, PHL, DCA, MSY. Are there any others that I missed?
AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 708 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6398 times:
Now that there are 737s back in ORD is there any chance that mainline service will return to ORD-HPN?
Moman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6399 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3): I'm trying one out for the first time tomorrow, but I've heard they are a lot more uncomfortable than the older 738s.
The cushion on the F seat was hard as a rock. I also found them to be a lot closer to the neighbor on the armrest (about 1/2 as wide).
OP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1678 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6387 times:
Quoting Moman (Reply 15): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I'm trying one out for the first time tomorrow, but I've heard they are a lot more uncomfortable than the older 738s.
The cushion on the F seat was hard as a rock. I also found them to be a lot closer to the neighbor on the armrest (about 1/2 as wide).
Hopefully they get enough complaints to correct the seat quality issues in time for the rest of the batch still to be delivered.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16252 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6376 times:
AA's new 737-800s - 160 seats
AA's old 737-800s - 148 seats
Moman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6347 times:
Quoting OP3000 (Reply 16): Hopefully they get enough complaints to correct the seat quality issues in time for the rest of the batch still to be delivered.
I didn't complain as I suspected the seat hadn't been broken in enough yet, but a complaint might be in store.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6318 times:
Currently there is one doing a MSY-ORD-LAX service and vice versa. I wonder how many through passengers they get on that one? Double daily 738's on MSY-ORD (plus a lone CR7) starts 8/25.
Flyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 571 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6241 times:
I have worked this flight several times between ORD and LAX MSP and PHL. While I personally notice differences between the "old" and "new," I have to tell you I have received nothing but praise from both f/c and m/c passengers. I have asked f/c passengers how they like the seats, ammenities etc and havent received a single complaint.
AA ORD
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2201 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6223 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
No, its more seats. Less pitch in Y, and I've heard the F seats are less comfortable as well,
I think that the Y seats are slimline seats and they added more capacity by removing a galley and/or a closet.
According to SeatGuru, the galleys, closets are no change between version 1 and 2. If you look close, there's an extra row of Y seats before the wing exits and an extra row behind the wing exits. one version is shown as 31/32 pitch, the new one 31 pitch.
If you look close at the F seats, there seems to be no room in front of the first row. Maybe the Closet and galley have space for your feet. Looks uncomfortable as drawn.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
ORD-SAN-ORD will see a 738 starting Oct 1.
Looking at the AA PC schedule, I see the 738 on
Flt 503 ORD 11445 SAN 1350 turning to Flt 1358 SAN 1445 ORD 2040
Looking at some other markets also in Oct, the 738 is on the following ORD markets:
LAX 6 of 9 flights
SEA 2 of 4
RNO 1 of 1
SNA 1 of 3
LAS 4 of 4
MSP 3 of 8
MCI 3 of 6
MSY 2 of 3 (other an RJ)
FLL 1 of 1
TPA 2 of 2
I gave up and didn't look at the East and NE.
Too bad the most noise-impacted airports in CA, SAN, SJC and BUR continue to be almost all M80s.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6148 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 21): According to SeatGuru, the galleys, closets are no change between version 1 and 2. If you look close, there's an extra row of Y seats before the wing exits and an extra row behind the wing exits. one version is shown as 31/32 pitch, the new one 31 pitch.
It looks that way according to the diagram, but the aircraft description at the top of the page says this:
"This version of AA's 737-800 has 12 additional economy seats, reduced seat pitch, thinner seats, a smaller bulkhead divider between the two cabins, and two less service-cart storage cabinets behind the last row. The one inch seat pitch loss is mitigated by seat bottoms that slide forward and back, so that when a passenger reclines, the seat gives more knee room to the person seated directly behind."
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1471 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6050 times:
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5976 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 21): Too bad the most noise-impacted airports in CA, SAN, SJC and BUR continue to be almost all M80s.
I was wondering when we'll see ORD-SJC & SFO go 738s? I would think the longer west coast flights would change from the M80s to 738s before other markets with the exception of continuing service i.e, LAX-ORD-MSP etc..
How long will it be before SNA goes all 738s to ORD?
How are routes choosen as to whcih get the new equipment before other cities? Does it have to do with what competition is flying on the same route?
25 PRAirbus: AA flights from ORD-SJU will become (2) daily 738s instead of the current (1) 757 and (1) addtl 757 on weekends. Most likely those (2) 738s will be th
26 CALPSAFltSkeds: I don't think a review of AA's 738 deployments to date would say that competition is a factor. There are probably several factors that make up the ro
27 1337Delta764: FYI, these are the same slimline seats that DL has on their 738s (Weber 5751 seats to be exact), except AA's seats have winged headrests. I actually
28 LAXdude1023: From what I understand, the first routes to see 738's replace S80's are (in this order): 1) ORD-West Coast 2) ORD-destinations that need more capacity
29 Ward86IND: I was pretty comfortable on the new DL 738 seats, and I'm 6'3''
30 AAR90: "Old" models only - I've been flying that "turn" for two months. 738 = yes, on hot summer days. Not all that much, but more often than the 752s.
31 Dtw757: You are most likely right as all new 738's will be flown exclusively from ORD[Edited 2009-07-30 12:00:46] In fact it is true. I just looked it up and
32 COEWR2587: Here's a link to a video of the new 738's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ihFbT9CGo In my opinion, the "new" first class doesn't look the great. I t
33 Jetstar: Probably never, HPN has a passenger cap of 230 passengers per half hour. AE has 5 HPN-ORD flights a day into HPN using 44 seat ERJ’s for a total of
34 LAXdude1023: Thats not accurate. ORD is the first market to see them because the ORD-West Coast flights need to have the S80's replaced. When that is done, the DF
35 KELPkid: I'll say. That means 1 more F/A is required... It also means that AA has the potential to get far more revenue out of the bird IMHO, 148 is a VERY lo
36 OP3000: The F cabin looks like premium economy. The cloth looks cheap in C and while the seats have less padding there is no more legroom than older versions
37 DTW757: I should rephrase that. Currently the new 738's are being operated as a "sub fleet" exclusively from ORD.
38 ABQ747: Is there any chance AA will operate the 738 on ORD-ABQ? I've heard that the MD-80's really struggle out of ABQ due to the high altitude.
39 DFWEagle: Looks like you already got all the routes! As of today, 32 daily flights are scheduled for the new 738 (38D). All flights originate or terminate at O
40 1337Delta764: I know this is true for DL's ABQ-ATL flight in the summer, so DL sends their 752s (and occasionally their 738s) to ABQ to better handle the hot-and-h
41 Qqflyboy: I sat as a pax in seat 8F about a month ago from ORD to RNO on the new 738. I definitely noticed the reduced seat pitch, but the design of the new sea
42 Ckfred: Although everyone thinks that the "new" 738s are replacing MD-80s, some 757s are being replaced out of ORD, such as flying to SNA and ORD. On some rou
43 Crosswinds21: Wow thanks for that comprehensive list. That definitely answers it! I haven't had a chance to fly AA new 738s yet but if the seats are indeed like on
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Double daily 738's on MSY-ORD (plus a lone CR7) starts 8/25.
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