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Air France - A330 Incident In Brazzaville, Congo  
User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 277 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19990 times:

Did a search but didn't see anything.

I pulled this off of the AP site. It linked to the Bend, OR newspaper.

"Air France Airbus hits building in Brazzaville"
BRAZZAVILLE, Republic of Congo (AP) -- An Air France Airbus 330 carrying 168 passengers hit a building after landing in Congo's capital, but no one was hurt, an aviation official said Thursday."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...RBEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


Reading through the story it sounds like it might have been a minor incident while taxiing to the terminal, but the story has parts such as "The plane, which flew from Paris, was evacuated" and "the Airbus 330 landed at Brazzaville's Maya-Maya airport on Wednesday night and that one of its wings then hit a building".

At least the AF spokesman was pretty clear it was very minor.

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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16990 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19762 times:

Jeune Afrique put the article very conspicuously next to another article on the GIG crash Yeah sure
"The dark series of Airbus extends to Brazza" (in French)
http://www.jeuneafrique.com/Article/...d-Airbus-se-prolonge-a-Brazza.html



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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19613 times:

The article also says that the aircraft was taxiing at the time.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11368 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19473 times:
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Quoting FLYjoe (Thread starter):
Air France Airbus hits building in Brazzaville"
BRAZZAVILLE, Republic of Congo (AP) -- An Air France Airbus 330 carrying 168 passengers hit a building after landing in Congo's capital, but no one was hurt, an aviation official said Thursday."

wow, another problem with A332 ! Glad no one was hurt.



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User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18593 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
wow, another problem with A332 ! Glad no one was hurt.

I wouldn't say it's a problem with the 332... More like pilot error...

Quote:

Air France spokesman Cedric Leurquin said the plane's wing only scraped the building while it was taxiing on the runway.

"It was a very minor incident," he said. "The plane was going no faster than a man walking on the ground, and it was only the extreme end of the wing that scraped the building."

Almost sounds like a non issue, if the report is correct and completely accurate.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18452 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
wow, another problem with A332 ! Glad no one was hurt.

Was there one before??? Why another one? If you talk about the AF crash in Senegal airspace, be patient.... I dont think it has anything to do with the plane but with the airtraffic controllers. Thats my last info...



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18397 times:

There was an article on Le Figaro on-line about an incident with AF 320 flying from ROME which apparently lost all position and speed meters forcing pilots to fly blind for an hour before the equipment started to function again...can someone find it, I think they must have deleted it for some reason....

User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18019 times:
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Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):

Was there one before??? Why another one? If you talk about the AF crash in Senegal airspace, be patient.... I dont think it has anything to do with the plane but with the airtraffic controllers. Thats my last info...

Northwest Airlines and TAM both have had recent incidents.

That being said - this would seem to be a non-issue.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17992 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 6):
There was an article on Le Figaro on-line about an incident with AF 320 flying from ROME which apparently lost all position and speed meters forcing pilots to fly blind for an hour before the equipment started to function again...can someone find it, I think they must have deleted it for some reason....

Yes, there are only two manufacturers of those pitot tubes, and they are evenly distributed between Boeing, Airbus, Embrear, Fokker, etc etc, so not an Airbus problem.



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User currently offlineAtomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17956 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
I dont think it has anything to do with the plane but with the airtraffic controllers. Thats my last info...

Yeah, those darn controllers need to stop giving the buildings clearance at the wrong time!  duck 


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17820 times:



Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 9):
Yeah, those darn controllers need to stop giving the buildings clearance at the wrong time!

I was talking about the AF crash... somebody did send them on this route knowing about the storm cell. Thats all I can say now. Believe me or not, search the archives here and I was the first one prdeictin at least 6 months delay on the 787 program. My info is genuine.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8070 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17595 times:

I'm glad no one was hurt but this is another black eye in Air France's already hard hit reputation on safety.


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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17528 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 10):
I was talking about the AF crash... somebody did send them on this route knowing about the storm cell. Thats all I can say now.

AF dispatch did. Just as they did with another aircraft flying almost the same route within 30 minutes. And LH dispatch, sending a 747 that route 20 minutes earlier. And IB dispatch, also within a similar time frame.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6296 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17059 times:

Quote from the article:
Air France spokesman Cedric Leurquin said the plane's wing only scraped the building while it was taxiing on the runway.

Well, the A330 has a long wing span, but isn't that RUNWAY a little narrow?

"It was a very minor incident," he said. "The plane was going no faster than a man walking on the ground, and it was only the extreme end of the wing that scraped the building."

Not a word about the damage on the building!

The plane, which flew from Paris, was evacuated and is now flying back to Paris without passengers to be examined...

Uhm, AF flying a broken plane...!!!

Air France said that none of the passengers were hurt.

That was nice! That was probably because the passengers were sitting in the cabin, and not on the wingtip.

The press is at full spin. Maybe next week we will see an article about an F/A who spills champagne on an AF A330.



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User currently offlineEcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16516 times:

All in all a minor incident.
But again Air France..........somehow it´s not their year, or so it seems!!

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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16489 times:

This has to be less than fun for AF. No matter the reason, more bad press is just flat unwelcome.


Dave



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User currently offlineFlood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16446 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 6):
There was an article on Le Figaro on-line about an incident with AF 320 flying from ROME which apparently lost all position and speed meters forcing pilots to fly blind for an hour before the equipment started to function again...can someone find it, I think they must have deleted it for some reason....

"forcing the pilots to fly blind for an hour"?  Yeah sure

They lost airspeed and other air data for one minute.
http://avherald.com/h?article=41d651ac&opt=0

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the post was deleted.


User currently offlineFlood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16336 times:

Here it is from avherald. A little less dramatic, I'd say:

"An Air France Airbus A330-200, registration F-GZCL performing flight AF-896 from Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) to Brazzaville (Congo), had just landed without incident and was taxiing into the parking position, when the right wing tip/winglet touched a hangar wall and received a few scratches.

The airplane was almost instantly declared fit to fly by maintenance engineers, authorities in Congo however insisted as a precaution, that the airplane had to be ferried back to France without passengers. The airplane arrived back in Paris in the morning of Jul 30th almost on schedule of the return flight AF-897 and entered service during the day again."


http://avherald.com/h?article=41d7e6b1&opt=0


User currently offlineWexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16336 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
wow, another problem with A332 !

Have you read the article or even just the full post??? Doesn't seem to be any problem with the 332 here. Human error most probably played this part.

I feel sorry for AF here. Pure bad luck that will give a little bad publicity. I am surprised the aircraft was evacuated. Didn't seem to be any major risk to it!!



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User currently offlineJeffry747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16246 times:
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Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 13):
Uhm, AF flying a broken plane...!!!

Probably all it did was break the winglet at the end of the wing. No big deal, the plane can fly w/o it. Fly it back to a maintenance facility, unscrew a couple big bolts, and slap a new one on. Not even newsworthy, this is just a scratch.



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User currently offlineFarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15966 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 13):
The press is at full spin. Maybe next week we will see an article about an F/A who spills champagne on an AF A330

 Big grin

And first reply to the post from us a.nuts, will be "what is the reg of the bird involved?"


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6296 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15886 times:



Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 19):
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 13):
Uhm, AF flying a broken plane...!!!

Probably all it did was break the winglet at the end of the wing. No big deal, the plane can fly w/o it. Fly it back to a maintenance facility, unscrew a couple big bolts, and slap a new one on. Not even newsworthy, this is just a scratch.

Dear Jeffry, I don't think you read my whole reply #13. I was joking.

The whole thing is a joke. It's about the world press having entered an inverted tail-spin about everything related to AF and A330.

The same thing happened more locally here in Scandinavia with the Q400 almost two years ago, but only after three crash landings. It is still so hot that last week the Danish press reported about a Q400, operated far away from Scandinavia, which developed a little smell in the cabin due to a minor engine gearoil leak, and one passenger panicked.

I tried to google that incident everywhere else in the world. Not one hit. Not even in the country where that Q400 was registered and operated.

It all makes me wonder if there are five hundred journalists out there who have no better things to do than pressing the refresh button on googling AF and A330.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15188 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 21):
t all makes me wonder if there are five hundred journalists out there who have no better things to do than pressing the refresh button on googling AF and A330.

It would be interesting to see who "broke" the story. And more to the point, why this was considered news. But the bottom line is bad news (esp dramatic deaths) sells papers.

Dave



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11368 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15073 times:
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Quoting Don81603 (Reply 4):
I wouldn't say it's a problem with the 332... More like pilot error...

My point was only that the mistake lead to expose a little more the aircraft. For sure a pilot error, but as some mentioned, enough for the media to expose the idea about the plane.
That's why also i mentioned " problem " instead of incident.

Just to make clear, I fly on A332's on a frequent basis JFK-GIG and even CDG-GIG and i have nothing against the plane and in the opposite, i feel very comfortable.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7348 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15073 times:



Quoting Flood (Reply 17):
when the right wing tip/winglet touched a hangar wall and received a few scratches.

The airplane was almost instantly declared fit to fly by maintenance engineers, authorities in Congo however insisted as a precaution, that the airplane had to be ferried back to France without passengers.



Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 19):
Probably all it did was break the winglet at the end of the wing.

Not even that bad.

It sounds to me like Congo officials - not having the independent technical expertise to evaluate the aircraft and possible damage - would not clear it for passengers.

Or - quite possibly if the aircraft was evacuated by slides - IF - then there may not be certified repacking for the slides at that airport.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
wow, another problem with A332 ! Glad no one was hurt

I do believe this is a rather sarcastic comment of the state of the news media - not the safety of the A330 aircraft.


25 Zeke : For only six (6) not 60 seconds (one minute), on most non FBW aircraft you would not even know that this happened, it is only becuase of the computer
26 9V-SVC : I would fly on the A330 anyday, I trust Airbus planes just as much as Boeing. The AF A332 accident that had happened was just a freak accident, some o
27 FlySSC : I you want to give some "information", then try at least to give the correct ones. The speed data on the A320 FCO-CDG flight was lost during 6 second
28 DeltaL1011man : and can we get a pic of the bird in question
29 Max Q : Problem with 'freak accidents' your'e just as dead...
30 Babybus : I presume without reading the article that they took off a wing tip or doing a full evacuation seems a bit over the top. Or does evacuation here just
31 YULWinterSkies : Good point. After all, it was mentioned on French TV channel ITV last night that the aircraft hit a building at 'landing'. Over-exaggeration of the f
32 Jeffry747 : Lol my bad on that one. I went back and read your post again and got a chuckle out of it. My apologies. But seriously I did see a video a few months
33 FlySSC : The extremity of the right wing of this A332 (F-GZCL) scratched a hangar when the plane arrived on the apron and turned to take the assigned position.
34 Racko : And another Air France A330 en route to DLA had to turn back to CDG because of light smoke in the cabin, of course making the news.
35 AirPacific747 : Really? I thought the building was taxiing...
36 LipeGIG : You're 100% correct.
37 Post contains links FlySSC : There was no evacuation by slides. The plane could even return to CDG safely with PAX, but the Congolese Autorities did not allow the take off, more
38 KC135TopBoom : Maybe he was checking his airspeed? Another pitiot tube indication? I'll bet the concrete or cinder blocks came out better looking than the carbon-fi
39 AirlineCritic : Probably. I hear Congo is cold at this time of the year, so pitot tube icing may be involved.
40 Don81603 : What did the AF 332 say to the Congolese building? Keep the tip!
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