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Tony Tyler (CX CEO) On CX Fleet Plans, No A380 Yet  
User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 780 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16968 times:

Part of an interview in The Australian.

"Fleet-wise, Tyler says the airline is happy with its current mix, but notes that rising fuel prices could see it phase out its Boeing 747s earlier than planned.

It will continue to develop its 777s, but is already telling Boeing and engine manufacturer General Electric that they need to "ginger" the aircraft up a but if they want to keep it competitive.

"We already have 30 on firm order and I can see us eventually probably getting more, particularly if the economics improve," he says.

The airline also has no plans at this stage to take on the Airbus A380 superjumbo, even though some people see it as an ideal plane for the Hong Kong to London route.

Tyler says Cathay has done a lot of analysis and it believes there are better ways of moving around passengers than the current version of the superjumbo.

"I've no doubt the A380 is going to be a very successful aircraft and a very strong competitor with good economics," he says. "We believe there are aircraft with better economics for our particular network."

He is also not ruling out the 747 Intercontinental, but says at present Cathay does not want a bigger plane, saying the airline's passengers want frequency.

Tyler is, however, extremely interested in the new A350, "if it does what it says on the box".

"The 787 (is) a very good aircraft, a bit small for us, perhaps not quite the range we want," he says. "The (787) -10, if it really happens, might be a stronger competitor. But then you're starting to get into 350 country."

He also warns that the biggest member of the 350 family, the 1000, may be a 777 killer if it does what Airbus claims, and Boeing and GE fail to respond to the challenge.

"It could be," he says. "I'm not saying it will be. It could."

Cathay has freighters on the way, including the 747-8, but Tyler notes wryly that in the current environment these are hardly needed, with six of its current freighters out of service.

"So we are talking to Boeing about delaying and we're talking to Airbus also about delaying some A330s," he says. "Again, great aircraft. We will need them, but we don't really need them quite as early as we contracted to take them." "

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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16948 times:

Very interesting insight. Thanks for sharing this information.

User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16824 times:

All I know is that the A380 in CX colours would be fantastic. I just hope they won't be too late to the party.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16747 times:



Quoting EbbUK (Reply 2):
I just hope they won't be too late to the party.

From the sound of it they are waiting for a party that suits them better. But it could happen, never say never in this business.



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User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16640 times:



Quoting Lutfi (Thread starter):
"So we are talking to Boeing about delaying and we're talking to Airbus also about delaying some A330s," he says.

I would assume there would be no trouble finding takers for 330s?



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16565 times:

Nothing really new here - we've always known that the A388 A model is not optimal for CX and they've said so in the past.

A389 however, is something else entirely. My feeling is that we'll see it offered around 2012, whereupon Airbus will see CX at the head of the queue.

Always thought CX were the ideal candidate for a load of A350s as well, and Mr Tyler appears to agree.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16556 times:

Why do the wait so long to decide about a VLA? Copying Air India?  Wink

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16547 times:

Nothing new.

I see them getting the B 747-8 and/or A 380-900. Up to 20-25 or even 30 of them


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16472 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
A389 however, is something else entirely. My feeling is that we'll see it offered around 2012, whereupon Airbus will see CX at the head of the queue.



Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
I see them getting the B 747-8 and/or A 380-900. Up to 20-25 or even 30 of them

I hope so. However:

Quoting Lutfi (Thread starter):
He is also not ruling out the 747 Intercontinental, but says at present Cathay does not want a bigger plane, saying the airline's passengers want frequency.

So, if even the 747-8i is too big for them now, I'm not sure what has to change for CX to skip the 388 and go for the 389.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
Always thought CX were the ideal candidate for a load of A350s as well, and Mr Tyler appears to agree.

Absolutely, and I expect a substantial order for A350-900's to replace their 343's as soon as the price tag and performance guarantees are right. May happen very soon, I feel.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16403 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 8):
Absolutely, and I expect a substantial order for A350-900's to replace their 343's as soon as the price tag and performance guarantees are right. May happen very soon, I feel.

I wonder if his "Ronseal" comments "if it does what it says on the box" mean that an order may wait until the A350 is flying and a little closer to EIS so that real data is being gathered to prove the specification on the bird?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16391 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 8):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
Always thought CX were the ideal candidate for a load of A350s as well, and Mr Tyler appears to agree.

Absolutely, and I expect a substantial order for A350-900's to replace their 343's as soon as the price tag and performance guarantees are right. May happen very soon, I feel.

Indeed. One suspects the A359 will be the ideal model for them. Potentially in the future they may look at the A3510 to replace the 744s, but I dont think the A3510 has the same range/payload combo as the 77W, so I'd think they would keep both in the fleet for the long-haul stuff.

I think the A358 is too small for them.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16382 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
Why do the wait so long to decide about a VLA?

They are not indecisive. On the contrary they have decided that they don't need any right now or in the near future.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16329 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 11):

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
Why do the wait so long to decide about a VLA?

They are not indecisive. On the contrary they have decided that they don't need any right now or in the near future.

Right - deciding that you do not need to decide does not make you indecisive.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16327 times:

CX rightly notes they have zero need for a VLA, and unlike a couple other airlines that caved in either to ego or politics, has resisted ordering them.


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4944 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16308 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 1):
Very interesting insight. Thanks for sharing this information.

Indeed very interesting. Also my thanks for posting this information. The A359-XWB seems very interesting for CX, as is the A350XWB-1000. But I still hope for some A380's or B748's in their fleet as well.  Wink


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16150 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
Right - deciding that you do not need to decide does not make you indecisive.

And some of those that did have thought differently.

QF deferred 4 in April
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...veries-as-economic-conditions.html

British Airways earlier this month
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bri...ys-cuts-capacity-delays-a380-order

Emirates considering the same
EK Considering Deferral Of B777 Or A380 (by Aviationbuff Jun 29 2009 in Civil Aviation)

This is not the best time to be buying expensive new planes, especially when the airline's ability to fill them profitably is in doubt. Sure you can get 450 people in your plane, but you may not make a profit doing it.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16058 times:

I suppose they will sit still and wait for the A 380-900 as well as the B 747-8 to go into service before they decide.

I believe they will order both. Well at least one of them. They need something big.

I suppose they prefer the A 389 over the A 388 due to the fact that A 389 has a longer range? Also bigger?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16039 times:

Besides CX doesn't need larger aircraft FOR NOW but it doesn't mean that they won't need it a few years later. Only time will tell. CX changes its mind easily btw

User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16008 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 13):
CX rightly notes they have zero need for a VLA, and unlike a couple other airlines that caved in either to ego or politics, has resisted ordering them.

Yes you are so right!  Wink

All the big players which have ordered the 380 have done so purely due to political and/or ego reasons!  Wink

And Cathay has resisted to do so, which makes them extremely clever and so down to the earth. Excellent analysis of yours.  Wink

Btw....sweet as comment in your profile...whoohoo must Airbus hurt 'ya soul in daily life...


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15914 times:



Quoting Lutfi (Thread starter):
"The 787 (is) a very good aircraft, a bit small for us, perhaps not quite the range we want," he says. "The (787) -10, if it really happens, might be a stronger competitor. But then you're starting to get into 350 country."

I can understand the size issue, but not the range one, as it makes it sound like the 788 and 789 are medium haul aircraft. Perhaps the A359R is their dream plane?



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12951 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15870 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
Why do the wait so long to decide about a VLA?

It'd be kind of nuts to add capacity at the same time LH, BA, SQ, etc. are reporting unexpectedly large negative results.

Yes, I know the capacity won't come on line for years, but I'm sure the entire industry is wondering if premium traffic loads will bounce back to earlier levels or not. Till that happens, I don't think we'll see any bold initiatives in the VLA space.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15732 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 13):
CX rightly notes they have zero need for a VLA, and unlike a couple other airlines that caved in either to ego or politics, has resisted ordering them.

Right. Absolutely.

You really do have a talent when it comes to telling it how it is. Good job. This website needs more open-minded, accepting, not in any way anti-European guys like you. There really arent enough of you around.

Have you thought of starting a Facebook group for like-minded truth tellers and resolute Patriots such as your good self?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15710 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 20):
Yes, I know the capacity won't come on line for years, but I'm sure the entire industry is wondering if premium traffic loads will bounce back to earlier levels or not. Till that happens, I don't think we'll see any bold initiatives in the VLA space.

I agree.

The fear of not returning premium traffic anytime soon, or never to the same levels as 2008, is keeping airlines from making big investment decisions.

Nevertheless, I believe the pax will return to the front cabins in a reasonable short timeframe. And airlines will buy VLA when appropriate which is why I think the 748i will not die a sudden death after the LH deliveries and which is why I think the A380 won't die a sudden death after the current deliveries.

By the way? Who is acutally last in line on the current A380 orders?


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15669 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
A389 however, is something else entirely. My feeling is that we'll see it offered around 2012, whereupon Airbus will see CX at the head of the queue.



Quoting Lutfi (Thread starter):
He is also not ruling out the 747 Intercontinental, but says at present Cathay does not want a bigger plane, saying the airline's passengers want frequency.

As mentioned above, it seems that they don't need a VLA (at the moment).

Looks like they are a prime customer for the a350 family. They have plenty of 772's, a333's and a343's that are up for replacement in the next decade (so not in the short term), so that could be a nice a350 order right there. The 744's will obviously be replaced by the 77W, so those will soldier on for a while.



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User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 887 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15588 times:

I must say I enjoy this guy's tone!
His message to Boeing is loud and clear without sounding like a couple of those other airline bosses!


25 Cloudyapple : Exactly. Anything not a B744 in the current passenger fleet can be replaced by one of the 3 versions of the A350.
26 Kappel : Too bad he won't let you film in his aircraft ! I'd love to see that program!!
27 Babybus : He might change his mind on delaying an order for the A380 if AF, BA or EK suddenly start using them on their routes to Hong Kong. A twice daily A380
28 CHRISBA777ER : They dont want one now, but 2012 is three years away, and a lot will change in that time. We'll be out of recession by then, LHR will be even more sl
29 KC135TopBoom : It seems Mr. Tyler was talking on both sides of the fence. Essentially saying "We like this or that airplane, may defer some of what we have ordered (
30 CHRISBA777ER : Me neither. Wait until 2012 or 2013.
31 Dallasnewark : There's a lot of hot air in your statements. Do you have a magic wand that would make the recession go away in 2012? Theere's no way the premium traf
32 United Airline : Thought they upgraded all of them. Did they park any of them? If yes will they return to service?
33 NicoEDDF : Actually there is the same amount of hot air in your reply. Do YOU have a magic wand that tells you that recession will NOT go away until 2012? Or th
34 United Airline : Besides the B 747-400s will stay till at least they reach the age of 25.
35 Post contains links CXB77L : The entire article is here: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ss/story/0,,25858550-23349,00.html Interesting to note that CX's alleged plans to p
36 CHRISBA777ER : Respectfully, i will stand by everything i said up there as all are basically guaranteed. If we arent out of recession by 2012, then we've got bigger
37 Stitch : I've heard said that CX does a fair-to-middlin business in revenue belly cargo on their planes (at least before the current collapse). If this is true
38 CHRISBA777ER : My understanding was that they were to be sold, but that CX were unable to find a buyer.
39 EPA001 : That sounds very plausible. I would love to see the B748 or the A380 in CX colors. Some new four holers around the block.
40 RedFlyer : I can imagine Airbus cringing upon hearing those words. I think CX has been a Tier-1 Prospect for the A380 since its inception. I think the only thin
41 Astuteman : Tyler's comments did include the words "at this stage". Rgds
42 CXB77L : Yes, that was my understanding as well. Perhaps it was the fact that there was no buyer for their B772s that they have decided to make full use of th
43 RedFlyer : Oh, I know. Things can certainly change a few years down the road. But that doesn't detract from the issue that 9 years since launch, CX has yet to s
44 XaraB : I find it very refreshing to hear an airline CEO speaking clearly, politely and business-oriented about aircraft, economics and orders. Among attentio
45 EA772LR : He's talking about he current 788 which is bloated, and the expected even more bloated 789 Why can't Tim Clarke and the crazy guy from Qatar Al Akbar
46 Stitch : Considering Varig found more value in parting-out one of the 777s as opposed to selling it, I am surprised CX didn't investigate that avenue if they
47 RedFlyer : He's definitely a classy gentleman, and it's reflected in the classy airline he operates.
48 BMI727 : The me-too attitude rarely turns out well for airlines. That's wonderful but there are absolutely no guarantees that premium demand will be out of th
49 NicoEDDF : Which would be very unusal, wouldn't it? Sharp drops in demand have followed even steeper climbs...the typial economic cycle (I know, you know that).
50 Cloudyapple : The only carrier I see flying in A380s are Singapore on 1/2 (in addition to the current flights) and Qantas on 29/30. Virgin was going to do its SYD
51 OP3000 : The A330 is their workhorse short-haul particularly with Dragonair (which is a big part of their growth strategy), so I don't see them cutting back o
52 Keesje : Reminds me a bit at BA (and half a.net) explaining the world why they simply didn't need the A380. Look carefully at his disclaimers, the lack of open
53 PVG : Which is I don"t understand why he claims that the 787 is too small for them. They need to upgrade the KA product, the CX branded flights from China
54 BMI727 : It is, but this is almost unprecedented. This is being called the worst economic slow down since the Great Depression and quite frankly that is not a
55 United Airline : Ideal CX B 747-8/A380 routes: 1) HKG-LHR 2) LHR-JFK (when they start it) 3) HKG-YVR 4) HKG-SFO 5) HKG-LAX 6) HKG-NRT 7) HKG-FRA 8) HKG-CDG 9) HKG-TPE
56 BMI727 : If (when) Boeing gets serious about the 787-3 it may be a possibility.
57 United Airline : Will they return to service? These are the upgraded ones right?
58 ZK-NBT : I thought they had parked 6 747Fs. No pax aircraft atleast yet that I'm aware of.
59 Cloudyapple : The last classic freighter is going by the end of this month. All 6 ERFs have joined. 6 BCFs were parked. 1 has been brought back to life. Uncertain
60 Farzan : I don't think that's the issue. A lot of people (me included) will travel SQ HKG-SIN on the 380, instead of CX, and SQ's T7's, just because of the ai
61 Farzan : Tell me. On a side note, what happened to the CX 346 in Hainan colors which have been parked in HKG for a long time. I did not see that beautiful bir
62 United Airline : What are they? B 777-200s?
63 N949WP : My sources advised that all the ex-SQ 340-300's and one of their own will be parked, plus two pax 744's (one of the Pratt-engined ones, and B-HOO). '
64 Ken777 : I'm not so sure they will return at levels the airlines hope for. Not only has this been a brutal recession, but we've seen far more damage. The mort
65 AirNZ : And your entire post is what else? So tell me which airlines are F and J only? Yes indeed, but world aviation doesn't soley revolve around the US and
66 Astuteman : Whilst we're globally not in the best place ever, different places are experiencing this "recession" at different levels... Rgds
67 Avek00 : The A380/B748I would likely be counterproductive on 1), 3), 4), and 5) because CX would almost certainly have to sacrifice freqencies in order to rig
68 BasilFawlty : The first A343 (B-HXM) was parked in VCV last week.
69 Viscount724 : I don't think Varig had anything to do with the decision to part out that 777. As far as I know, it was leased (from Boeing I believe), so it must ha
70 Stitch : Well whomever owned the paper may very well have found that parting it out would bring in more money than selling it complete. And even if that owner
71 CX Flyboy : Technically B-HKD is being returned to the lessor, not just parked. At the moment the four A340s and two 744s will be stored (HUA and HOO). Seems the
72 United Airline : Will they return to service? If yes when?
73 United Airline : Wasn't B-HKD being upgraded recently? Will it be back with CX?
74 Kaitak : Very unlikely; even if the 9 abreast layout selected by ET, we're still talking 260-270 seats and CX will probably want more C Class and 8 abreast in
75 SunriseValley : But it is good to have it available when the freight market is soft. It is the least expensive capacity that there is. The east bound capacity of the
76 BasilFawlty : I believe that rumour is going on for years now, and still no result. Personally I hope Biman will never buy/lease new aircrafts and keep the DC-10 i
77 CX Flyboy : Nothing has ever been signed and now it is looking more unlikely to happen. Yes the entire 744 fleet is now in the new config, but with the economic
78 SunriseValley : Oops, I meant to say the incremental fuel cost per pound is probably less than the cost of a pound of peanuts.
79 Jfk777 : SO much for the "great" A380 strategy of replacing two 744's leaving for LHR in 90 minutes of each other from HKG. Even British Airways is replacing 7
80 CX Flyboy : That 777 flight (BA27) is being dropped altogether at the end of the summer schedule leaving them with only 2 flights a day, Virgin one (to LHR) and
81 Kaitak : With the A340 fleet being reduced, when are we likely to see 777-300ERs on the LHR (or indeed any non-US/Canadian) route?
82 Cloudyapple : And all of them full to the bream! There is so much connecting traffic via Hong Kong apparently. I last got off 252 and there were hardly any bags on
83 Aerosol : I feel that Cathay is on the way down.... Without a 4 holer you can not be regarded as first tier international carrier. For example imagine an LH 380
84 David_itl : Lets see who operates to HKG and how many A380s they operate: BA: 0 VS: 0 CX: 0 So I doubt you'll find any of those airlines actually operating A380s
85 Kaitak : With the greatest respect, I would disagree with that emphatically. You must remember that CX didn't start operating the 747 at all until it was near
86 Jfk777 : Your colorful response is duly noted, because BA and Virgin will not be operating A380's to HKG for years, BA probably will eventually as HKG is one
87 Stitch : The only people who care about the type of plane is carrying us are enthusiasts like us. And even we probably tend to book on price and schedule more
88 CX flyboy : Flew with a guy recently who did an A330 delivery for us. At the delivery dinner he sat next to John Leahy who said that he could not believe how man
89 Post contains images EPA001 : That is so true. Sometimes I ask colleagues or relatives on which type of plane they flew in. Usually they do not know the answer and can sometimes n
90 Aerosol : Interestingly I read several times, that the usage of the 380 allowed a price premium on tickets, which would be a proof that this statement is not e
91 Stitch : Yes, SQ did impose a "surcharge" to fly in a premium cabin on the A380, but then they did so on the 77W, as well. I expect many airlines, when they r
92 Huaiwei : Because they are waiting for the A389s to come out, not to buy them, but for SQ to dispose their A388s in favour of A389s, so they could snap up thos
93 Cloudyapple : I call that shooting yourself in the foot. You just posted 2 consecutive comments each completely contradicting the other. On the one hand you were s
94 Huaiwei : I call that poor comprehension skills in the English language. How those two comments are supposed to be contradictory, I have absolutely no idea.
95 Stitch : It makes perfect sense to me as I read it as Huaiwei said CX's CEO has not ruled out the A380 in the future, which therefore implies they may need it
96 PVG : Tony Tyler was on Bloomberg TV out here this morning. He was talking about the shift away from premium travel and whether it was permanent or not. App
97 United Airline : The premium travel market will recover eventually
98 CX Flyboy : Our new longhaul fleet (aka 777-300ER) only have 6 first class seats which is a decrease on the 744. Most of the A340s no longer have first class fit
99 CFBFrame : Wish I knew what ginger meant. Does it mean steady performance improvements w/o a major modification? Do you think he is saying that he's not placing
100 PVG : Maybe, but probably not to the level where it was during the "money is free and easy!" days. I don't know the exact numbers, but I guess that it's si
101 Pellegrine : It will recover. Full stop. FJ travel reflects the health of the economy. When the economy is healthy it contributes significantly to the bottom line
102 MarcoPoloWorld : There's no "loss" there, as the new CX cabin is a definite disaster. Ranging from the thin, flimsy, hard, and non-reclining seats in Economy to the p
103 PVG : Where did you read that it will never recover? What I said is that it will not go back to where it was for a long time. Similar to other businesses a
104 Pellegrine : A lot of people on here have echoed these sentiments, and one SRB in particular said something like "First Class travel is over". And "does BA really
105 PVG : I guess, but the actual seat/bed is an improvement over the old seat. At least you are flat and can get a decent sleep, which I had a hard time with
106 PVG : Noted. But the Phooey money also filtered down in the form of large profits for banks, oil companies, car people, etc.... that was then used to pay f
107 Kaitak : Well, it doesn't exactly take a genius! I guess it's hard to determine if the drop is due to a poor economy (which I genuinely believe is the main ca
108 PVG : Tyler was asked about this on Bloomberg this morning. He says that they studied the concept and found that few people were willing to pay more for pr
109 OP3000 : As should BA. Frankly there's few top execs in the industry who know how to maximize revenue from the premium traveler.
110 Cloudyapple : Chris Pratt did say during the press conference yesterday that the fall in demand for premium travel and cargo is structural rather than cyclical as
111 United Airline : Eventually it will after many years.
112 Thegeek : Are you saying that ALL the airlines which ordered them only did so for ego or politics. QF certainly need them. I think EK probably need them too, a
113 United Airline : CX needs them too for the routes I mention earlier. Not pure politics for sure. Airlines order what they need
114 RayChuang : I think right now CX is waiting to see what happens once SQ decides to put the A380-800 on the SQ001/SQ002 route, especially the segment between Hong
115 CX flyboy : I've not tried the new economy but I have tried First and Business and found them both to be huge improvements on the old ones, especially business.
116 Post contains links Flyingwaeldar : In the following link is another look on the non-recline eco seat, which I partialy share to be honest, scroll to Thurs, 6 Aug: http://www.geocities.
117 MarcoPoloWorld : Ok but that would be fine then, wouldn't it? As long as the redemption value is proportionate to the product, what harm does it do if frequent fliers
118 PVG : I think that he meant that the airlines with premium economy are giving it to their FF's free, at the same cost that they sell the normal economy. Th
119 Pellegrine : I don't know which airlines he is looking at, but I have to question his result. I mean for someone like UA I cannot disagree. I wonder how much extr
120 Avek00 : Look again at my statement: "CX rightly notes they have zero need for a VLA, and unlike a couple other airlines that caved in either to ego or politi
121 RayChuang : Sounds like what CX really wants are more 777-300ER's and a production run of A350-1000's.
122 PVG : He said that they looked at it and didn't think that it was worth the effort. I agree that a distinctive "middle-class" should be viable in small num
123 MarcoPoloWorld : Then I think we mostly agree. Premium Economy is the perfect buffer to deal with demand fluctuations between Economy and Business. Are you listening,
124 OP3000 : Small numbers yes, and I also think it should be applied conservatively to the fleet. In other words, I would not see much value on having the frames
125 Thegeek : I'd say that they're sounding as sceptical of the A351 hitting it's performance targets as the a.net community. They've been pretty consistent about
126 Cloudyapple : I just listened to the interim results press conference (available on the website) and they did say they "did not anticipate the 4 A343s coming back
127 Avek00 : TG, MH, and VS.
128 CX flyboy : Believe me they are. A review is currently underway and nothing is being ruled out just yet.
129 AirNz : Other than it being merely your opinion, on what factual basis are you determining that......and on what 'qualification' are you definitively determi
130 MarcoPoloWorld : Encouraging. Thanks, CX Flyboy.
131 PVG : If they are, why would the CEO go on TV and say that a Y+ or semi- C class has been studied and ruled out? I don't get it? I saw and heard it myself.
132 Pellegrine : So CX will be paying the remaining monthly payments on the 343s even though they're stored (and thus wrote the payments off)? And why would they take
133 Asiaflyer : Yes, unless they can't break up the leasing contract, which of course they already have tried. As CX do not expect to use them anymore, they rather t
134 Pellegrine : Ok makes sense of course. I just don't know why any airline would want to sell an asset (if it's owned) right now. I'd pay the storage fees for a yea
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