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User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15432 times:

Well, 787 can't fly yet, but when it does Ethiopian will have 246 passengers on board. 2-2-2 (24) in biz and 3-3-3 (222) in economy. Looks like ET opted for Contour Aura in Biz and Weber 5700 in economy.

Check out the pics and seating chart:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...thiopian-airlines-first-787-c.html

Onward,

IAD787


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15242 times:

Looks really nice. Is it me or the screens in J located below eye level?

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15164 times:

I'm getting a bit fed up of the way all cabin interiors look the same. That could be Air France's J class and Qantas' Y class.

Bring back individuality, colour, bolder palettes, and patterns on the seat covers and walls like they did prior to the 1990's.

Sorry Ethiopian, but it's 0 out of 10 for imagination.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15118 times:
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Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
Bring back individuality, colour, bolder palettes, and patterns on the seat covers and walls like they did prior to the 1990's.

having woken up once with a thumping hangover in the gaudy interior of a TG 744 ( vibrant purples and pinks ) I can safely say that while a more colourful palette is nice to glance at for 30 seconds if I am going to stuck in a tube for 12 hours I would rather have a restful colour scheme ( especially if it is an overnight flight and the decor is something that I will have to face when I wake up ) . I do think that airlines make a mistake when they do publicity shots ( whether actual photos , or cgi images ) to have the cabin completely empty , of course a 'restful' cabin looks dull with no people in it , populate the image with a few CGI pax and crew in ethnic gear and you wont even notice that the cabin seems a little bland .



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User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15025 times:

Whoops, that's 246 in Econ, 24 in biz, so 270 total. I can add, really.


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User currently onlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14985 times:

Not very special but not bad either. Could have been a lot worse like those stupid diagonal J-class seats on AC, CX and VS for example. In economy I prefer 2-5-2 instead of 3-3-3 but that's just personal.


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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14946 times:

9 abreast in Y.  Angry

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14921 times:

Both cabins look really nice but I thought there would have been more use of green, yellow and red which may have worked well in the stripe pattern on the seats. A subtle yellow, red or even brown in those stripes would have added a bit of warmth which seems to be missing from the cabin as a whole. I like the large paintings they've put on the walls, not sure if many airlines do this apart from British Airways but I've always thought it looked nice and made the cabin feel less like a sterile flying tube.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14902 times:



Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 5):

After flying DLs diagonal seats, I tend to agree that it's not the best solution even if it is more private.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14873 times:
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WOW! It looks like....eh...any other airplane on the inside  Smile Yes the 787 is modern, but 99.9% of travellers wouldn't know the difference when they step inside. This could just as easily have been the interior of a refurbished DC10.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Looks really nice. Is it me or the screens in J located below eye level?

It could be that they're placed there for an ideal viewing level while reclined (most people recline when they watch a movie)



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14830 times:



Quoting IAD787 (Reply 4):
Whoops, that's 246 in Econ, 24 in biz, so 270 total. I can add, really.

As B788 is a competitor to A332, I thought it would be interesting to look at AF 332 configuration.

AF A332 2 Class Example # Seats
J Class 61" Lie Flat 21.5" Wide 7 rows 40 seats
Y class 32" Pitch 18" Wide 8-abreast 24 rows 179 seats
Total Seats 219

Applying the Ethiopian configuration to A332 should yield about 24 J seats, and 227 economy seats for a total of 251 seats. It seems that 788 in 9-abreast will have about 20 Y seat advantage over the 8-abreast A332.


User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14611 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
I'm getting a bit fed up of the way all cabin interiors look the same. That could be Air France's J class and Qantas' Y class.

You are right, specially the Y class seats have a striking resemblance to the green sector Y in Qantas A380. Same manufacturer maybe?

At least it is a bit more colorful than the universal dark blue seats of a few years ago...

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
This could just as easily have been the interior of a refurbished DC10.

Bit harsh, isn't it?  


Boeing limiting customization on the 787 Dreamliner will for sure make a lot of cabins similar. Can airlines at least choose the color of the seats?

Regards,

[Edited 2009-07-31 10:42:07]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 14477 times:



Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 5):
have been a lot worse like those stupid diagonal J-class seats on AC, CX and VS for example.

The herringbone layout makes the best use of space for a true lie-flat seat. It's also more private. You have your own personal access to an aisle without having to disturb (or be disturbed by) another passenger, as happens with a 2-2-2 layout in the pairs of seats next to the windows.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 5):
In economy I prefer 2-5-2 instead of 3-3-3

You've obviously never sat in the middle seat in the 5-abreast section. I have a few times on L-1011s and DC-10s and it's not a pleasant experience. If 2-5-2 was widely preferred, more carriers would be using it rather than the handful that do. And, if not mistaken, one of those few, UA, is switching from 2-5-2 on 777s to 3-3-3, as DL did some years ago. I think that leaves AA as the only major 777 operator with 2-5-2 in Y class.


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 14378 times:



Quoting Racko (Reply 6):
9 abreast in Y.

Prior to the current slump, I would have guessed many carriers would have gone 8 abreast, no way any US carrier will do that now. 9 for sure. Maybe VS, BA will do prem economy in 8 abreast.

Big TV's in coach, no? 10.5 inch Wow.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 14321 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):

You've obviously never sat in the middle seat in the 5-abreast section. I have a few times on L-1011s and DC-10s and it's not a pleasant experience. If 2-5-2 was widely preferred, more carriers would be using it rather than the handful that do. And, if not mistaken, one of those few, UA, is switching from 2-5-2 on 777s to 3-3-3, as DL did some years ago. I think that leaves AA as the only major 777 operator with 2-5-2 in Y class.

If I end up getting the middle in the 5-seat configuration and are traveling alone on a 10-hour flight I will definitely become a 3-3-3 advocate.

But as of now, the 2-5-2 makes more sense to me. Most travelers fly alone or in pairs, so that having two seats on the sides gives pairs privacy, and individual travelers either get an aisle or a window one seat away from the aisle. And on long-haul in Y there are usually families or groups of 4 or 5 people for which being in the middle of the 5-seat middle would not be any more uncomfortable than being in the middle seat of a car with your friends and family. With 3-3-3, pairs and couples will always have someone sitting next to them alone, and families greater than 3 will have to sit apart.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 14321 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
You've obviously never sat in the middle seat in the 5-abreast section. I have a few times on L-1011s and DC-10s and it's not a pleasant experience. If 2-5-2 was widely preferred, more carriers would be using it rather than the handful that do. And, if not mistaken, one of those few, UA, is switching from 2-5-2 on 777s to 3-3-3, as DL did some years ago. I think that leaves AA as the only major 777 operator with 2-5-2 in Y class.

Yeah, well the vast majority of travelers are smart enough to book their travel far enough in advance to not get that seat, or will upgrade, or something. That seat will only be experience by roughly 20 people on a plane of over 220. That means that all the other will have significantly more comfortable accommodations, plus those who think ahead can fly in 2 seat sections with even greater comfort.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4835 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 14263 times:

Isnt 270 seats a bit too much for an aircraft of the B 788's size? It is fine for the B 789 but not B 788!

Their Y class cabin on board looks extremely cramped up!


User currently offlineSN-MD11 From Luxembourg, joined Dec 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 14240 times:

Contour seats suck !!!

All it brings is mechanical and electrical commands issues on the seat itself.

ET should be prepared to issue refund/compensation vouchers for its J-cl pax.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 14091 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
You've obviously never sat in the middle seat in the 5-abreast section. I have a few times on L-1011s and DC-10s and it's not a pleasant experience. If 2-5-2 was widely preferred, more carriers would be using it rather than the handful that do. And, if not mistaken, one of those few, UA, is switching from 2-5-2 on 777s to 3-3-3, as DL did some years ago. I think that leaves AA as the only major 777 operator with 2-5-2 in Y class.


Yeah, well the vast majority of travelers are smart enough to book their travel far enough in advance to not get that seat, or will upgrade, or something. That seat will only be experience by roughly 20 people on a plane of over 220. That means that all the other will have significantly more comfortable accommodations, plus those who think ahead can fly in 2 seat sections with even greater comfort.

Many airlines don't permit Y class passengers to select seats at the time of booking. You often have to wait until 24 hours or so before departure, and that's only if you have access to internet check-in which passengers in many parts of the world do not. 3-3-3 also gives you a higher probability of an empty seat next to you if the flight isn't full. It also reduces weight and complexity since 3-3-3 only requires 3 inflight entertainment control boxes while I believe 2-5-2 requires 4. The 2-5-2 layout also means a long reach to the overhead bins in the center section unless you're taller than average.

In any case, I much prefer the 767 and its 2-3-2 layout with only a 1 in 7 chance of a middle seat.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27254 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 14058 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
Bring back individuality, colour, bolder palettes, and patterns on the seat covers and walls like they did prior to the 1990's.

Yeah I know what you mean. You knew you were on OA/EI/AI in the old days. National patterns and designs. Now they all look the same.

Although considering all the above for ET it doesnt look bad. They are an airline to watch in the future IMHO.


User currently offlineMSNDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 14007 times:

Thats a lot of people in a plane that originally had a 226-seat pax config.

270 in a 787-8. Ouch!


User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

The cabin looks nice although it is a little bland. I was expecting some pictures of lighting and the features that really show how modern this plane is. The cabin that ET unveiled looks nothing like this.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/gallery/K64262-02.html
Are all of the 787's going to have an entrance like this?
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/gallery/K64262-03.html
I wonder what the lavatories will look like.
DL752 Big grin


User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Looks nice but really nothing special. J class is nice and Y seems really good looking.


It's a cultural thing.
User currently onlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 12013 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
The herringbone layout makes the best use of space for a true lie-flat seat. It's also more private.

Yes, and now you end up with neck problems because you decided to look out of the window a few times. Also those endless rows of other peoples feet in the aisle are quite disgusting. Especially when other passengers take their shoes off, or even worse, sit with bare feet.  yuck  People sitting with their bare feet in an aircraft should be banned, it's extremely rude and disgusting.

So, that's why I'm against the herringbone layout. Big grin

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
And, if not mistaken, one of those few, UA, is switching from 2-5-2 on 777s to 3-3-3,

As far as I know UA still has 2-5-2.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
I think that leaves AA as the only major 777 operator with 2-5-2 in Y class.

Besides AA and UA, there are CA, MH and SV with 2-5-2 and some 777's of AI and KE have 2-5-2 as well.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 11905 times:



Quoting MSNDC9 (Reply 20):
270 in a 787-8. Ouch!

How are other airlines configuring the 787-8?

I would assume ET doesn't have many front-cabin passengers. Perhaps this is a good high-density seating for their Asian routes?


25 Pellegrine : Lol flightblogger got these pictures right off the ET website, we were discussing it on the other thread already. Yes packed . Note if it was 8-abreas
26 Post contains links AF022 : Now I just checked wikipedia's widebody aircraft page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-body_aircraft According to this, at 9-across in economy each
27 LAXDESI : Here's AF configuration for A332, which shows 18" wide Y seats. AF A332 2 Class Example # Seats J Class 61" Lie Flat 21.5" Wide 7 rows 40 seats Y cla
28 Ikramerica : No. Obviously, it fits just fine. Not terrible, but not great. While there are carriers that put 17" seats on the A330/340, 777, 747, 767, etc., they
29 MarcoPoloWorld : I so totally agree. If it's strictly a night time flight and all you will be doing is sleeping, the fishbone is workable, but in any daylight portion
30 7673mech : Unfortunately the interiors in PR's photo's and in the aircraft outfitted for the airshow circuits, generally do not end up in revenue service with t
31 Post contains links and images ETStar : So the ET 787 microsite has been around for a while, the order for 772s has created this big buzz. The new interiors as depicted on the site are a gre
32 Zeke : I would think you would get the same number of J seats between doors 1 and 2 on the 332 as the 788. Keep in mind the ET 788 configuration is rumoured
33 NEMA : Excepting FR that is surely, they thankfully, are out on their own with the crappy plastic blue and dazzling yellow look that makes you feel like you
34 Pellegrine : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787....html Someone actually has to certify and build those Boeing mock-up seats if the airlines wan
35 LAXDESI : AF 332 configuration uses up 36 feet for J seats, and 64 feet for Y seats, for a total of about 100 feet for all seats--which is 67% of available 147
36 Viscount724 : Still a small percentage of 777s sold, and I don't think any recent 777 deliveries have been 2-5-2.
37 PC12Fan : Call me crazy, but I just don't understand this philosophy. In a 3-3-3, you still have to climb over someone. And with the 2-5-2, you only have one i
38 Babybus : SV operate their 777s with 2/5/2 config in Y. I prefer 3/3/3 as if you have spare seats next to you you can lie down. Having only 2 seats you can't. T
39 Connies4ever : Agree both points. As pointed out by others, the herringbone layout makes best use of floor space, but then you've got all those feet to look at. Als
40 Icarus75 : Do not complain about that! On July, 30th, I've made the worst flight of my life : LAX - CDG with AF / B777-300ER. The configuration is 3-4-3 with ho
41 AY104 : Personally, I like the color scheme a lot. Crisp, cool and clean - reminds me of fresh linen! The lighter colors, especially the greens, look very coo
42 Viscount724 : I don't get your point. With 3-3-3, 5 passengers must disturb other passengers to leave their seat -- the 4 window and middle seat passengers on both
43 Doug_or : 2-4-3... can't we all just get along?
44 PC12Fan : We both have valid points to our arguments. Mine was that in a 2-5-2, there is only one seat where a passenger would have to climb over more than one
45 MSNDC9 : 9 across in a 787 is made up of three 3-across 737 seat groupings.
46 DocLightning : That's always been my point of view. However, it is true that airlines have switched, by and large, from a 2-5-2 layout in the 777 to a 3-3-3. Thus,
47 Viscount724 : As already mentioned, it also reduces the number of inflight entertainment boxes from 4 to 3. I believe each 3-seat unit requires one but the 5-seat
48 Max999 : Is LED mood lighting standard on the 787 or is it an option? Those mockup pics make it appear if Ethiopian chose not to have mood lighting.
49 Pellegrine : Yes, airlines benefit as Viscount says. It has nothing to do with passenger comfort and all about being cheaper for the airlines. 3-3-3 is less money
50 RussianJet : Harsh, but true. It is severely lacking in imagination. Anyway, it's all pretty meaningless to me until I see the plane take to the air.
51 DL752 : Thanks for the information! I didn't know that. It's a shame that not all airline cabins can look like the photos in the link. I appreciate the work
52 DocLightning : Thanks for educating me.
53 Part147 : It's much easier to produce, maintain, store and install single 3-seat type units rather than deal with different 2-seat and 5-seat units - as was sa
54 AF022 : If ET's planned interiors are so bad, which airlines have the best airline interiors?
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