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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8713 times:
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Was looking for something unrelated and ran into this...

Is the half of the runway really in Canada?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...348&spn=0.019089,0.038581&t=h&z=15


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User currently offlineTimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Seems to be the case, found this on Wikipedia:

Piney Pinecreek Border Airport (FAA LID: 48Y) is a public use airport located two nautical miles (3.7 km) northwest of the central business district of Pinecreek, in Roseau County, Minnesota, United States. It is owned by the Minnesota Department of Transportation.[1]

Also known as Piney/Piney Pinecreek Border Airport[2], it is the first, and one of only three, "international airports" that cross the United States-Canada border (the others are Avey Field State Airport and Coronach/Scobey Border Station Airport). It is shared by the rural settlements of Piney, Manitoba and Pine Creek, Minnesota.

The airport, located at a latitude of 49 degrees, 0 minutes, 0 seconds latitude, 95 degrees, 58 minutes, 57 seconds longitude, originally was located entirely within the United States. Needing to extend the runway, the owners found it could not be extended south due to obstacles, but the land north was unused. After arrangements were made with Canadian and Manitoba authorities, the runway was extended across the 49th parallel.

The airport, located in both Manitoba and Minnesota (in Roseau County), has both United States and Canada customs services, and is attractive to tourists, hunters and fishermen. Ground access is available on Manitoba Highway 89 and Minnesota State Highway 89.

The airport is classified as an airport of entry by NAV CANADA and is staffed by the Canada Border Services Agency. CBSA officers at this airport currently can handle general aviation aircraft only, with no more than 15 passengers.[2]


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

First of all, that's not Karlstad, MN, but it is Piney Pinecreek.

According to http://gc.kls2.com/airport/48Y, the latitude is 48°59'59"N, so the airport and the border are located correctly.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8598 times:
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They question is why?

Obstacles to the South? Looks like nothing but farmlands!



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User currently offlineTimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

There is a road there, but, as you said, otherwise nothing but farm land, but we don't know... there could be a gas line there, a farmer reluctant to sell, the land in Canada was dirt cheap?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8515 times:
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While it doesn't share a runway across two countries, the northern edge of GVA is on French territory and Wiki notes that passengers on flights to or from France do not have to go through Swiss customs and immigration controls if they remain in the French sector of the airport.

User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

ELP is right on the boarder and the LOC/DME 4 approach has the final approach fix right on the boarder. So while the runway is not in 2 countries, most of the approaches to runway 4 are in Mexico.

The Detroit area has/had something similar and as I know it it was a real pain to coordinate these airports with Windsor approach. So they signed an LOA that DTW handles most of the boarder airports and approaches that cross over the line.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
While it doesn't share a runway across two countries, the northern edge of GVA is on French territory

Yeah its sorta neat to see the approach plates for GVA. For ILS/DME 5 you enter Swiss airspace at Passeiry (PAS) VOR and for ILS/DME23, you join final over Lake Geneva in Swiss airspace but cross into France for like 10 miles while on the localizer.


User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

If you were a US based pilot and were going to land in Rwy 15 you would no doubt have to enter Canadian airspace. The opposite of course is true for Canadian pilots landing on Rwy 33. I wonder if both countries waive the normal requirements to enter their airspace for local flights.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8341 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
While it doesn't share a runway across two countries, the northern edge of GVA is on French territory and Wiki notes that passengers on flights to or from France do not have to go through Swiss customs and immigration controls if they remain in the French sector of the airport.

However the airport itself is entirely in Switzerland. When the runway was extended to its current length of just under 13,000 ft. back in the 1970s (or thereabouts), they had to do a small land exchange with France or the extension would have crossed the border.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

Hoe about Gibraltar? Isn't that 50/50? Or is it just the busy road cutting the runway in half?  Smile

And Eilat-Aqqaba? 2 countries, shared airport, not sure about runway though.


User currently offlineFghtngsiouxATC From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

For the cross countries at UND, some fly to Baudette Airport where the traffic pattern for runway 12 is in Canada.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...056&spn=0.015711,0.045276&t=h&z=15


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

I actually saw a house on google earth that was in both countries, looked like a farm or something.


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

Some that are close:

Geilenkirchen NATO Air Base in Germany, has part of its nav equipment in the Netherlands and abuts the Dutch border. Part of the road to the back gate follows the German-Dutch border. there was even a minor controversy when some Dutch trees needed to be cleared to allow for safer take offs and landings in that direction (they were cleared).

Tijuana also follows the US border, but does not cross.



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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

About 300 km west of that one, there's another one that almost crosses the border, the International Peace Garden airport... While the entire runway is in North Dakota, there is some ramp/parking area on the Manitoba side. I'm assuming one could land there to visit the garden without having to legally cross the border. The peace garden is a neat place: I was able to visit the US (North Dakota) without having to formally enter it.  Smile

JL

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...spn=0.017175,0.052228&z=15&iwloc=A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Peace_Garden



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7509 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
While it doesn't share a runway across two countries, the northern edge of GVA is on French territory

GVA is located completely in Switzerland. A part of it runs right along the border with France, but does not cross.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7451 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
And Eilat-Aqqaba? 2 countries, shared airport, not sure about runway though.

There is an airport and runway in Israel - ETH and a little over three miles away - slightly east and a bit north is an airport with it's own runway in Jordan - AQJ

Two separate airports in two different nations.

Three if you count Taba - TCP - about 10 miles east in Egypt.


User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

Not quite in 2 countries, but Grímsey Airport, on the island of Grimsey north of Iceland, has half of its runway in the arctic circle and half out. If you land there you are guranteed to stray into the arctic officially, well, unless you go by helicopter or something that stops before the border Big grin.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15743 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6533 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Tijuana also follows the US border, but does not cross.

I think that there was a scheme to build a separated terminal and a bridge so pax from the US could use the airport without actually crossing the border and give arriving pax the option of Mexican or American exits, similar to Geneva.



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6292 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Hoe about Gibraltar? Isn't that 50/50? Or is it just the busy road cutting the runway in half?  

It is just the main road that cuts across the runway. This road leads from the border crossing at La Linea through to Casemates Square in the centre of Gib. Its a weird sight to see pedestrians pushing a pram across an active runway. The border runs roughly parallel to the runway but a few hundred metres to the north


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6071 times:
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although located wholly within France if you sneezed while at Basel/Mulhouse/Freiburg airport you could just about pass your flu on to each of the three countries it serves ( Switzerland , France , Germany ) .


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User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Not quite the same but here we have OOL which is cut right in the middle by the Queensland/New South Wales state boarder however the the airport is officially listed as in Queensland as well as the entire termninal.


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User currently offlineYULMRS From France, joined Mar 2005, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4921 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 19):
although located wholly within France if you sneezed while at Basel/Mulhouse/Freiburg airport you could just about pass your flu on to each of the three countries it serves ( Switzerland , France , Germany ) .

It's not completely in France, there's a border inside the terminal, with a "French zone" and a "Swiss zone". There's also 2 airport codes, BSL for the Swiss side and MLH for the French side.



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User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

EGNR/CEG Chester/Hawarden, half in England, half in Wales

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4715 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 14):
GVA is located completely in Switzerland. A part of it runs right along the border with France, but does not cross.

It does 'cross' actually, but in rather an unusual way. There is a spur road running from France to the French part of the terminal which passes beneath the runway extension, so you basically have one country on top of the other - the tarmac you walk or drive on is French, but the bridge crossing above you and the runway it carries is Swiss.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3381 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 23):
It does 'cross' actually, but in rather an unusual way. There is a spur road running from France to the French part of the terminal which passes beneath the runway extension, so you basically have one country on top of the other - the tarmac you walk or drive on is French, but the bridge crossing above you and the runway it carries is Swiss.

The road you are talking about is a French access road and it is still located in Swiss territory when it crosses underneath the runway.

It is roadway for French access only, you are correct, but it is still in Swiss territory. It's not an enclave within Switzerland.

To give you another example, EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg is located entirely in France, even though it is jointly operated between France and Switzerland and there is a Swiss access road to the Swiss section of the airport. This road, when it crosses into France, is in French territory, even though it is a special access road just for Switzerland.

Geneva is the same in that there is a French section in the airport and a French access road coming from France.



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25 Viscount724 : As far as I know, the airport is still entirely in France but, like GVA's "customs road" to Ferney-Voltaire in France,, there is a fenced "customs ro
26 FlySSC : That's correct. For the little story, when Switzerland decided to extend Geneva airport back in the late 50s but the only possibility was an extensio
27 BA : This is what I read as well, except that I read that Switzerland bought the land from France. If it was a land exchange, any idea what land Switzerla
28 FlySSC : I don't know where the land exchanged are located. The negotiations lasted quite a while because each side, of course, wanted to give exactly the sam
29 PlymSpotter : Interesting, thank you. The information I was given came from a Swiss border guard (who blatantly had a passion for aircraft) as I was asking for wal
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