C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
I've seen all the US airlines using the 757 for transatlantic operations now, but do any of the European carriers use them westbound? I haven't seen pics of any Euro carriers 757s in the US
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KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6180 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter): I've seen all the US airlines using the 757 for transatlantic operations now, but do any of the European carriers use them westbound? I haven't seen pics of any Euro carriers 757s in the US
There are not many 757's left in Europe. The 757 is not needed in intra EU travel, I think BA was the last one to have them flying to AMS/FRA etc etc...
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Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4096 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6121 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 2): Finniair just acquired some. Doesn't Thomas Cook also have them? Why don't they slap some winglets on 'em and fly 'em over the pond.
Finnair fly them across the pond on charters to the Caribbean/Mexico/Brazil during the Winter and Thomas Cook fly them to Canada over the Summer.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5993 times:
The 757 was never a big seller to major European scheduled carriers apart from BA and IB (retired by IB a few years ago). They sold quite a few to charter/leisure carriers and a few to niche operators like Icelandair.
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2884 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5927 times:
British Airways' business class carrier OpenSkies is flying the 757 between France and the US and think it has now been suspended but they were also flying them AMS-JFK...
Monarch operate a 757 weekly charter between London Gatwick and Deer Lake in Canada...
757's were used extensively on charters between the UK and Orlando back in the 1980's and early 90's before they expanded their fleets with larger long haul aircraft (DC-10's, 767's and A330's). These 757's were flown by Britannia, Monarch, Air 2000 and Air Europe, they were unable to fly non-stop and would usually operate via Gander or Bangor.
Ironically it was these British charter airlines that I think were the pioneers of the 757's operating Transatlantic, and I think it was Air Europe who were the first to fly them...
Now a days its rare to see the UK airlines flying their 757's across the Atlantic, unless the availability of their long haul fleet is limited. The only exceptions to the rule I can think of are FlyGlobeSpan and Thomas Cook Airlines operating flights to Eastern Canada.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14356 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5901 times:
The biggest barrier to European airlines flying 757s across the Atlantic is that they don't have them. Put bluntly, when the 757 was new, it was too much airplane for most of them and they did not need the 757's unique performance capabilities for their intra-European flights. My guess is that had they known how useful the 757 is for trans-Atlantic flight, more may have purchased them.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5867 times:
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 12): I'm sure BA used to fly a couple of routes to JFK a few years ago with 757s, from BHX or EDI perhaps if I remember correctly?
One was BHX-JFK-YYZ. BA 752 at YYZ in 1997 below while operating that route. It didn't last very long.
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2884 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5849 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 1): There are not many 757's left in Europe. The 757 is not needed in intra EU travel, I think BA was the last one to have them flying to AMS/FRA etc etc...
I disagree, even though airlines like BA may slowly be removing them from the fleet... They still, make up a large (but declining) number of UK charter airline scene, but they are not used so much however across the Atlantic...
UK Airlines with the 757:
Thomas Cook have 18
Thomson have 25
Monarch have 3
Jet2 have 9
Titan have 2
LHRSpotter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5730 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 1): There are not many 757's left in Europe. The 757 is not needed in intra EU travel, I think BA was the last one to have them flying to AMS/FRA etc etc...
Not entirely true, UK charter operators make great use of 757s year round, just think Canary Islands and the like.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14356 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5510 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 15): Thomas Cook have 18
Thomson have 25
Monarch have 3
Jet2 have 9
Titan have 2
Sorry forgot Astraeus who have 4...
Quoting LHRSpotter (Reply 16): Not entirely true, UK charter operators make great use of 757s year round, just think Canary Islands and the like.
In my post I was talking purely about scheduled flag carriers. The charter airlines found far more use for the 757 than their scheduled counterparts. While the flag carriers could have large fleets, the 757's unique abilities were great for charter airlines for many of the same reasons US airlines loved them. The 757allowed them to use the same plane to take a bunch of people to Spain, and then take another planeload to the Canary Islands or Egypt. Plus, having the 767 also in the stable meant that they could reach Africa, the US, or the Caribbean with a maximum of fleet commonality.
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GLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1975 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 12): I'm sure BA used to fly a couple of routes to JFK a few years ago with 757s, from BHX or EDI perhaps if I remember correctly?
BHX and GLA to BOS, YYZ and JFK. Used mix of Tristar, 767 and 757 equipment i think.
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BasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1254 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5457 times:
Arkefly operates the 757 from AMS to NAT (Not in the US, but still a transatlantic flight) via LPA once a week.
Thomas Cook operates the 757 on several flights a week between the UK and Canada. I believe they have three aircrafts (G-FCLJ, G-FCLK and G-WJAN) with a longhaul configuration. These aircrafts have 187 seats while the other ones have a charter configuration with 238 seats.
Last year Jet2 operated three flights or so from LBA to EWR. No flights for sale at the moment so I think they will not operate these flights this year.
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VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5383 times:
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 12): I'm sure BA used to fly a couple of routes to JFK a few years ago with 757s, from BHX or EDI perhaps if I remember correctly?
BA started operating trans-Atlantic services from BHX, GLA and MAN with 763s back in the early to mid 1990s. While the 763 MAN-JFK service was retained until relatively recently, the other flights (BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK-BOS) were down-graded to 752s after a couple of years as passenger levels and yields did not justify the continued use of the 763s.
Two short-haul 752s had their cabins converted for these trans-Atlantic flights. But still the passenger levels and yields failed to grow enough to make the operations successful. So after a further two years the flights were cancelled as were two orders for new 752s. The two aircraft used were then converted back to a European short-haul cabin configuration.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5315 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13): The biggest barrier to European airlines flying 757s across the Atlantic is that they don't have them. Put bluntly, when the 757 was new, it was too much airplane for most of them and they did not need the 757's unique performance capabilities for their intra-European flights. My guess is that had they known how useful the 757 is for trans-Atlantic flight, more may have purchased them.
Whilst partially valid, that's not really a true assessment. Put bluntly, as you say, and to more accurately clarify "too much aircraft for them" most European airlines simply didn't need either the range of the aircraft, or it's performance for what they used aircraft for. It's also very important to remember that the 757 was not designed for transatlantic and, most certainly, no US carrier knew of their 'usefulness' either nor originally purchased them for that purpose.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14356 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5225 times:
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 23): no US carrier knew of their 'usefulness' either nor originally purchased them for that purpose.
No they originally purchased them because they could fly across the US nonstop, which is more range than European carriers needed. Furthermore, AA in particular found them to be quite useful for flying into hot and high destinations in Central America. Also, Europe doesn't have many hot and high hubs like Denver where the range performance comes in handy. The 757 is an American airplane for American carriers. Sure European airlines could have found them to be useful in the last few years, but the advent of alliances has rendered that mostly moot anyway.
The A300, on the other hand, was a European plane for European (and Asian) airlines.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
25 Flighty: Geography is important. Europe and the USA are not 2 symmetric halves. You can't reach very much of the USA from Oslo on the 757. But you can reach ma
26 Ajd1992: Because, to be blunt, they don't have the capacity, nor the range filled to the gills to get to Orlando etc. They'd have to stop at Gander, Bangor or
27 Bmacleod: ThomasCook flies into YHZ using 757s. YHZ also sees Skyservice 757s and has seen a few LY 757s. Then there's Icelandair which flies 757s from YHZ to L
28 Viscount724: That statement is very inaccurate. Almost 1 out of 3 of the 561 A300s built were delivered to U.S. carriers, and another 12% or so went to carriers b
29 Par13del: One of the 757 major design features was the ability to perform transcon flights in the US, so the range was a must, they could just as easily fly we
30 CX288: United has so far not operated any 757 across the Atlantic, and I don't see them doing so in the foreseeable future.
31 BMI727: I wasn't counting freighters, where the A300 is great for almost all carriers. But most of the US airlines that had A300s disposed of them rather qui
32 Mir: If LH, for instance, were to pick up some 757s, they couldn't serve much more than the Northeast, and most of the destinations there justify larger a
33 Mpsrent: I have travelled with Thomas Cook many times on a 757 from Toronto to Manchester. I think the 757 is a great aircraft.
34 Timpdx: Iceland Air uses them on the new SEA-KEF flights.
35 RAFVC10: Don't forget: - Air Greenland easy to see OY-GRL at BWI. - Air Italy to SSA and other cities in Brazil. Regards, Gerard
36 02hilliert: Having looked through the old flight display screens, Monarch used to use B757s on a lot of the transatlantic routes in the mid-1990s before the addit
37 RAFVC10: Add to Monarch the first transcontinental flights of Air Europa with Boeing 757-200 equipment: - BCN-BGR-POP - MAD-SMA-NYC - BCN-MAD-CUN - MAD-BAH-HK
38 CRJ900: The original Sterling Airways flew one or two 752 between CPH and Caribbean with tech-stop at Bangor. The cabin config had 213 Y-seats @ 31 inch pitc
39 Sandyb123: Umm, why is there always someone that tries to relight the A vs. B argument. Boeing Equipment has sold well in Europe as has more recently, Airbus so
40 Viscount724: I think you mean transatlantic. "Transcontinental" means "across a continent", for example JFK-LAX is a transcontinental flight, but not JFK-LHR. Wha
41 RAFVC10: Ok. Sorry for the mistake. Air Greenland left this route, as you said, two years ago but BWI was served with B757 as this photo demonstrate it. View
42 BMI727: Stop yourself. I'm not trying to relight anything. I'm simply pointing out that the 757 is less commonly used in Europe because European flag carrier
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