Cush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 261 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9166 times:
I was curious as to what ramp works and gate agents make at various airlines around the world (per hour). I know from my experience that ramp workers make between $8-9/hr (U.S.) and gate agents make anywhere from $9-12 to start. Keep in mind I just want starting wages, not what someone with 10+ years experience makes.
Here is what I can provide to get it started:
CO RAMP: $8.75 (not incl. houston/newark/cleveland)
AA RAMP: $9.00 (not incl. chicago/new york/miami/dallas)
U5 GATE: $10.00 (systemwide)
HPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9076 times:
Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2): Is that normal in the US? Staff in SLC and PDX (for example) work for the same airline, do the same tasks, so why should one of those receive more money at the end of the month?
As a former 23 year old senior gate-agent I made about 1700-1900 euro's per month after taxes.
Normally I would agree however some markets in the US have a much higher cost of living, so the purchasing power of your dollars goes alot farther... NY by some estimates has a cost of living double that of Dallas - If airlines ignored this, they wouldn't be able to attract the level of talent they're seeking in some of the most important markets.
F9 was around 10.16hr in higher Cost Of Living Markets. About a buck less an hour in less expensive to live places. Top Out was not bad, around 17-18 an hour after a gazzillion years! LOL! Great company to work for though.
OOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8931 times:
Yeah, SFO and LAX get the most starting out, then it drops to ski resorts, ASE JAC EGE, then SLC has their own pay scale. Then there's the Cali towns: BUR-CLD-LGB-MRY-SAN-SBA plus SUN HDN ORD and DEN are in that scale.
A ton of stations start at 9. Including Montana and the whole Northwest. Then the bottom are really small stations: EKO, PIH, OTH, CDC, FAR, IPL, IYK, LMT.
It's all dependant on where you live. Oh and I know in SLC we top out at 15/hr after 15 years. It totally sucks.
Contrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8898 times:
Jetblue I believe you start at 10.50 and you top at 10yrs making 20 and hour. This is only for BOS, JFK, FLL and LGB and I think OAK but not sure. This is for ramp and customer service which I think sucks because ramp I feel should be making little more considering the conditions we work in. I know that comment will set up a fire storm of complaints but this is how I feel as a ramp agent that works in every weather condition and not inside a building all day and before you customer service people get at me, there are a bunch that I work with that agree with how I feel. So with that said are there carriers where the hourly salary is different between ramp and customer service?
Stratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8874 times:
Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 10): I know that comment will set up a fire storm of complaints but this is how I feel as a ramp agent that works in every weather condition and not inside a building all day and before you customer service people get at me, there are a bunch that I work with that agree with how I feel
It's a trade off really..You work outside and the work is very physical but the agents work inside and when the weather is bad they often are rerouting pax who missed connections. I worked outside as a line mechanic and I know I wouldn't want to change places with an agent when I used to see angry pax screaming at them.. At NW the agents and ramp made pretty close to the same money. However, it took the agents twice as long to reach top pay than the ramp. 10 yrs vs 5 yrs.
NWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8807 times:
My top out at NW is 18.33 hr. Back when I started if you were full time you topped out in 5 years, 10 years if you were part time. I cannot remember exactly but prior to bankruptcy we topped out at 20 something an hour. Now if memory serves me correct every one tops out in 10 years.I believe Leads (chiefs) top out at 1.25 an hour more. Forgot to add that this is for ramp workers.
Crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8793 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6): AS - (CSA) - $10.72/hr to start. Top of scale = $21.32/hr after 11 years.
Certain hourly differentials are paid based on cost of living at particular stations (Alaska, Arctic, Bay Area).
Looking at the AS career website, they have some openings for ramp agents in Arctic stations. Starting pay is advertised as $9.86 per hour plus $5.50 "Alaska differential" for a total of $15.36 per hour. That doesn't seem too bad but then again, for a place like Nome, that's not exactly living rich. Having been there, you go to the store and the prices are something like $1 per egg or $10 for a quart of orange juice!
Flyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8771 times:
Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 10): Jetblue I believe you start at 10.50 and you top at 10yrs making 20 and hour. This is only for BOS, JFK, FLL and LGB and I think OAK but not sure.
I went for a job interview with them at IAD and starting was 11.00 but dont know what the top out is.
UA is 9.75 with a 10 year top out at 21.20 or 22.20 if your a lead.
WN is 8.75 with a 10 year top out at 26.00 or 27.25 if your a lead.
US is 9.00 with a 10 year top out at 17.00 or 18.00 if your a lead.
UA I know is right for sure but the other may have changed.
The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.
NWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3448 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8738 times:
Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 12): My top out at NW is 18.33 hr. Back when I started if you were full time you topped out in 5 years, 10 years if you were part time. I cannot remember exactly but prior to bankruptcy we topped out at 20 something an hour.
$20.20, not counting Line pay/longevity/and shift differential (RIP).
Quote: Now if memory serves me correct every one tops out in 10 years.
Only those hired after August '06. Everyone else is still on the 5 year scale.
Quote: I believe Leads (chiefs) top out at 1.25 an hour more. Forgot to add that this is for ramp workers.
"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
G4LASRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8659 times:
G4 - $9.00 / hr to start (at LAS) - part-time only (but can pick up extra shifts after 30 days) then eligible for full-time and a bump to $10.00 / hr after 90 days. Annual reviews after that - increments up to $1.00 / hr - don't remember what the top out was. $1.00 / hr additional for leads.
G4 travel privileges for part-time - full company benefits and pass privileges for full-time station employees.
"A pig that doesn't fly is just a pig." - Porco Rosso
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10169 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8503 times:
These are poverty wages. I worked at JFK in the mid 70s, I was in management, so union wages did not apply. That was an airfreight forwarder, office and warehouse staff was unionized, Teamsters Local 295. The export agents made around 350$$ a week, a truck driver who just transferred cargo from our terminal to the airlines terminal across Rockaway Blvd made around 25 K per year. This was over 30 years ago.
When I look at bthese wages, about 40K p.a. seems to be the most achievable. How can one make a living on this? VCompared to European wages, back then, the ROE to the DM was 1:2. so the 25K translated into 50.000 DM or approximately 26.000 €.,
US$ 40 K today is approximately € 28 K.
I put the question already - how can one make a living based on this and the other question is, how do airlines still manage to lose money when the employment vcosts actually went down?
I put the question already - how can one make a living based on this
This is how Wal-Mart became the biggest retail company in the world. And why so many people fly LCCs and flock to $39 fares to Florida. Because a very large chunk of the population works for wages much lower than that. Even with the increase in minimum wage in the US to $7.25, if you work 40 hours/week, that comes to just over $15K before taxes. [7.25*40*52=15080] So if you ever wondered why customer service is in the toilet pretty much across the board, look no further than how much the person making your sandwich is getting paid.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10169 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 8294 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 22): Because ticket prices have gone down even further, in real dollars.
Pan Am had 99$ coast to coast in the 70s already. Full fare ticket prices, which are still paid by many on same or next day bookings have gone up considerably.
Quoting Vatveng (Reply 23): This is how Wal-Mart became the biggest retail company in the world. And why so many people fly LCCs
I know that, I can give you an even better explanation. Personal skills are not that much in demand since computerization took over. Back in the 70s, before that and even up until the late 90s, you had not only to know what you are doing but also why you were doing it.
Now, people are guided through a computer mask on the screen which basically a trained monkey could do as well. Check in staff does not need to know three letter codes any longer, the system knows that. There are many more reasons why poverty wages are paid these days, especially in the US.
What freally scared me when i was reading that the woman pilot involved in the BUF crash made 15K the year before That is about 2 or 3 month pay of a LH first officer after he graduated from flight training school. How can an airline be operated safely when key people are not properly paid and have to cu corners and sleep like homeless instead of in a Hotel bed ?
BTW - Walmart became the worlds largest retailer by selling the cheapest crap they can buy in the far east for huge margins and keeping their costs as low as possible. They completely failed with that business plan in Germany.
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