C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16536 times:
I was seeing all these retirements of the A300s and just got to wondering if NW/DL's DC-9-30s are the oldest airplanes still operating pax service with a major airline? Also, if there is another way to word the title, please tell me.
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HermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 496 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16467 times:
Well I don't know if they are the oldest, I do know they do/did have the oldest DC-9 in passenger service. Now if I may throw a turd into the punch bowl with out turning this into a when will Delta retire the DC-9, I saw on Pilotfourms.com that there is word that there is suppose to be an announcment in early August and on possible rumor is that the DC-9-51's will receive some sort of flight deck upgrades, what that means I don't know but it would be neat to see some of thoes steam guages replaced.
Moderators this is not a DC-9 replacement topic.
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Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7952 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16388 times:
Yes the NW DC-9-30 is definitely the oldest aircraft in active service at a respectable scheduled airline. It is very hard to find anything built < 1980 flying today in mainline airline service, unless you are in Africa or remote Middle East / Asia (to exclude the highly advanced carriers that also operate in those regions).
In Europe or the USA, I do believe the NW DC-9 fleet is by far the oldest scheduled mainline fleet operating.
HermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 496 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16064 times:
I don't think that it would be cost effective put new engines on, It has been said by Mr. Anderson that they have some options on the tabel to replace the DC-9's that they are looking at now but according to him right now the DC-9's are a great plane to have in the fleet. I think that if they plan on keeping the DC-9-51's for say another 5 years then upgrading the flight deck they would be able to recoop the cost of the upgrades. Maybe even a simple electronic flight bag would be nice? I am excited to see what they announce in reguards to the DC-9. I know the 30's will be gone by the end of next year, so anything they end up doing will be on the DC-9-50's only.
The right decision at the wrong time, is still a wrong decision. "Hal Carr"
DL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15979 times:
I always thought the DC-9 birds owned by NW were too old to fly, but now that I think about it, I would fly DL's 757's that are getting up there in age. I know not all of their 757's are older and some are quite young.
Trigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15499 times:
I flew N759NW 13 Jun 08 and loved it. It was just as nice as some newer aircraft I have flown recently. That same trip I flew N906XJ which was delivered in 2007 and actually preferred the DC-9. I just like them because they are loud, old, and built like a tank. Reminds me of my ex-wife though.
MSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1741 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14854 times:
Not only does it appear that NW's DC-9s are the oldest PAX aircraft from a major worldwide carrier, it's hard to think of another example that's even close. I can't even think of an example in the 1970s off the top of my head.
Quoting C767P (Reply 10): I believe the newest DC-9-30 currently flying for NW/DL was delivered 5/20/1975, N945N. The average age of the 29 aircraft is 40 years old.
Yep, flew on that baby two months ago for my first DC-9 ride. Wanted the oldest DC-9-30, but I got the newest instead. Oh well, it's still unique. The next newest is about two years older than 945N, and only a few are newer than 1969 overall.
Alphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14611 times:
Everyone talks about the NW DC-9s being old and either avoiding them or saying they need to be retired, but for what reason? They haven't had any safety issues and with the new cabins DL is installing, I'd rather fly in a DC-9 than an A320. Douglas built the DC-9 like a tank!
Interestingly, the first DC-9 entered service with DL, and now it seems the last one will end service with DL...
Like I said, I think they are actually more quiet than A320s, sure they may be a little ratty but once DL puts in a new interior, they will be good as any other plane as far as being in the cabin. To normal pax it's just another [safe] plane and to a.netters its a flying piece of history!
USAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14071 times:
I miss the 90's era where 732's, 727's, MD-80's DC-8's, and DC'9's were all very common. When I was growing up "early 90's" I would always love sitting under the runway in KCLT, and watching them all scream over the runway. I remember when my dad worked for US Airways when they just had just changed their name he brought me a pamphlet of the new fleet and paint scheme they were changing to had the narrow and widebody Airbus fleet. I thought it was cool at the time, but to be honest now a days it just seems ordinary flying on just 737's and A319/320's. I will gladly take a DC-9 or anything pre 1990's any day. Just takes me back as growing up. That's when flying was fun, now it's just starting to become a hassle. I don't know if it's just me but I have always felt safer on an older plane such as the DC/MD, they have the best safety and reliability rating. People you sit next to jaw will literally drop when you tell them how old the plane is, if you are on a pre 90's plane. Then you get an unsettled look that I always find amusing. I hope the DC-9 stays around awhile longer. At this rate it will outlast it's sister MD!
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Used to come into ALB every so often when I was working there. I always made sure to take a look at the slightly discolored, "antique" registration plate. Fascinating to think how many folks have actually been on that plane before.
Beeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13353 times:
The DC9 is a rugged aircraft and with proper maintenance they can keep going and going and going. While I like Airbus their planes are very very delicate the slightest touch they get there is a problem.
25 B727LVR: I know they are just a chater airline, but USA Jet operates a DC9-15 that was delievered in 1966 to KLM. Ship N191US.
26 Cchan: Depends on where you sit. At the front yes, the last few rows, no.
27 Denver11: I'm flying on a DC 9-50 this coming Friday GRR-MSP. I choose the flight because it was a DC-9 flight. Love those old planes.
28 PSU.DTW.SCE: Keep in mind that the DC-9 interiors were completely redone in the late '90's. This included new everything; sidewalls, overhead bins, seats, lavs, a
29 ZANL188: Dang! Seems like just yesterday that Sherm Booen was talking up the delivery of North Centrals DC-9 "FanJets" ... and they were a blast to fly on then
30 Cschleic: Think about it like this.... It's difficult, if not impossible, to get a ride on a 707, DC-8, L-1011, DC-10 or 727 these days. But there still are a b
31 HermansCVR580: I had the pleasure this March to fly on N777NC, at the time I did not know it was the last North Central DC-9 delivered to North Central, but in Repub
32 ZANL188: I know there were videos produced... but I cannot locate... WCCO Radio brought the show back as an hour long talk program as recently as last fall. I
33 FiestaFlight: Maybe somebody can clarify, but I remember something unique about DC-9 flights (on several NWA, at least.) When taxiing out from the gate, I always re
34 ZANL188: Well, i found the podcast of the radio show.. http://www.generalaviationnews.com/?p=10359 And it's sponsored by my old FBO! Thunderbird Aviation....
35 Alphaomega: Probably just for fun or to get some air through the flight deck, but it wasn't a "procedure". They still might leave the windows open but post-9/11,
36 C5LOAD: Every time I am at DTW, I always park myself on the SW side (the one with the -9s), and watching them push off the gate. It cracks me up how they stil
37 DiscoverCSG: Does anybody else think this is funny?: For all these years, we've had perennial a.net threads about "When will NW retire the DC9s?" NW, as it turns o
38 AndyGarrett: Can someone who works at Delta take the person responsible for selecting NW planes to paint out in the parking lot for a little "chat" to have this pa
39 C5LOAD: AFAIK, both models have been painted in the new livery.
40 DeltaRules: I'd love to see the DC-9s get another new lease on life. It's been fun to see the classic -9s still flying after all these years. Here's what I'd like
41 C5LOAD: So, If one wanted to pull one out of the boneyard and restore it to flying status, what do you think that cost would run. I would assume most of the r
42 Av8rDAL: Wished they still came to ATL. Last flight on one was ATL-DTW back in January of '08. Oh my...
43 Lexy: My first ever flight on a DC-9 is coming up on Labor Day this year!!! My wife and I are flying to ORD from our home in BNA and we are going through DT
44 CodyKDiamond: Those NW DC-9s are great! I had the pleasure of flying the oldest one in the fleet, N8921E earlier this year. I consider 921E (LN 96) the oldest as it
45 YULWinterSkies: Agreed. I'd bet my money (if i could afford it ) that one day, the oldest aircraft in pax service at a major airline will be a 757. I'd bet my money