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Continental 737-300s Being Retired?  
User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

I notice that a secon CO 733 has gone to ROW. Are they retiring any of their A/C or are they going to paint? I saw one earlier in July, but can't find the flight info on it anymore. Here is the flight info for the current one:


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...0/history/20090731/1410Z/KINT/KROW


Would be nice to see my buddies in ROW getting some business, even if it was short term!


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5541 times:



Quoting B727LVR (Thread starter):
Are they retiring any of their A/C or are they going to paint?

I think that all of the 737-300s are scheduled to be retired by the end of this year. 37 of the -500s will be retained however.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5431 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
I think that all of the 737-300s are scheduled to be retired by the end of this year. 37 of the -500s will be retained however.

According to the last CO fleet information I was able to find quickly you are correct.

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ntinental_8k_2009_042201.pdf#fleet



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User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1056 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

I rode one of their -300s last winter and now I'm pleased to have gotten on one. It was equipped with winglets, certainly unusual for a pre-NG bird. It added a certain sportiness to an otherwise ho-hum aircraft.

Any details on which regs have been parked?


User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Looks like the end of 737-300's in the US. First UA, than CO. Who will be next? US ?

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5231 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
According to the last CO fleet information...

There is a more current version with a few minor 733/735 changes: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ntinental_8k_2009_072101.pdf#fleet



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25202 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Yes the retirement were announced at the earnings call, and as a result CO is furloughing pilots.

CO Reductions - 310 Pilots (by RonmacIAH Jul 23 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3332 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

I just saw their first 733 at MIA the other day and I had no idea she only had a few months left. Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

User currently offlineReddevl442 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Southwest still flies a good number of -300s. They are adding winglets to the fleet as well.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5187 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

For one thing the 737-500s are newer, the first batch of 737-500s were delivered to CO in March 1994.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5160 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

In addition to what STT757 said, the 735's are owned; they can only sell them or park them - and CO is having a hard time finding buyers willing to pay what's still owed on them. The 733's are leased and can be returned to the lessor at a comparatively small penalty.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineCodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

This is so terrible, I took my first flight on ship 341. Unfortunately, I have seen three scrapped at OPF with two on the way. Ship 502 is on her belly on the chopping block now. I had been on all the ones while they were at OPF. As a sidenote SWA's N674AA was sent to OPF and scrapped which I have been on. That was the first 737 to ever wear the full AA livery.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7485 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Man,how time flies . I'm 38,and i remember when the -300's came out.......To me,a 733 with winglets would be a great biz jet. Cheaper than a new BBJ.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4814 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
and as a result CO is furloughing pilots

Ultimately, they will only have a net loss of 5 737s, so they must be parking some as well but not retiring them, or decreasing utilization in order to announce pilot furloughs. Otherwise, scheduling and attrition would be enough, and they wouldn't need to furlough 310 pilots.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4724 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
Why are they keeping the 735 over the 733?

To add to the answers already given, these are far from comparable aircraft. The 735s have a lower capacity and therefore a different mission from that of the 733s. Continental presumably perceives a continuing need for the former while finding it has too many of the latter for its requirements.


rj



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Which were the CO 733s that had CRTs on them in the isles? Did they ever get removed? I remember seeing a trip report in 2006 that had the CRTs still implemented for the safety video...


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8497 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4463 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 13):
Man,how time flies . I'm 38,and i remember when the -300's came out.......To me,a 733 with winglets would be a great biz jet. Cheaper than a new BBJ.

Yes. At least one vendor, Project Phoenix Aircraft, appears to say they are considering building a series of BBJ lookalikes from older 737s.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4472 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Well,

It's very sad to see furloughs (especially unecessary ones) but I will not be sad to see the -300's go.


They are old and tired and terribly slow, with the old technology wing it's like having a built in headwind everywhere you go !



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4426 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
I just saw their first 733 at MIA the other day and I had no idea she
only had a few months left.

A/C 301 actually had only a few days left when you saw her. She's been retired to ARG for scrapping.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...1/history/20090731/1517Z/KIAH/KARG

As for ROW, there have been 4 737-300s that were stored in INT, had their winglets removed and have been flown to ROW for part-out as well. A/C 343 and 345 were the last 2, ac 337 and 342 went at the end of June.

JSD



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineIaherj From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

I just had a deadhead segment on on of our old -300's a few days ago. The seats are not comfortable, it is slow, we incurred a long ground delay in EWR due to wx and with the engines shutdown, the APU is not able to run both air conditioning packs in a manner reflecting Continental's operational chart: Safety/Passenger comfort/On-time/Efficiency. Wow! What a run on sentence..... sorry. Fast forward to today. I took a quick trip on one of our 737-700's from to AUS as a passenger. 124 seats.... Burns less fuel.... Today was 100 degrees in both cities and the cabin was kept nice and cool the whole trip. I used to fly hte -300's. I liked the airplane. It flies well. It has the best lines of the 737 series(read looks). But it has got to go. The new seats in our NG's are built for long legs.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3925 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 16):
Which were the CO 733s that had CRTs on them in the isles? Did they ever get removed? I remember seeing a trip report in 2006 that had the CRTs still implemented for the safety video...

At one time CO was flying 737-300s nonstop from IAD-LAX, that was before they shut dow the IAD hub and consolidated everything at EWR ('86). They were doing some long flights, my only experience with the CRT equipped CO 737-300s was LAX-SFO in November 1997. I was connecting from EWR to SFO via LAX, the LAX-SFO portion was flown by a CRT equipped CO 737-300 that had come in from CLE.

They showed some sitcoms (Seinfeld), but most of the programming was music videos. Spice Girls sticks out in my mind.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5779 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3882 times:



Quoting Iaherj (Reply 20):
the APU is not able to run both air conditioning packs in a manner reflecting Continental's operational chart: Safety/Passenger comfort/On-time/Efficiency

No, it cannot flow enough air (due to design) to operate both packs effectively. You CAN run both packs, but they won't perform as promised, due to an airflow shortage of about 60 pounds per minute.

Quoting Iaherj (Reply 20):
I took a quick trip on one of our 737-700's from to AUS as a passenger. 124 seats.... Burns less fuel.... Today was 100 degrees in both cities and the cabin was kept nice and cool the whole trip.

Ironically, one of the great things about the 737-NG APU is that it actually burns LESS FUEL if you run BOTH PACKS than if you only run one. Not sure why this is- a coworker and I are currently involved in a chronic argument about it, BUT- you can watch it on the APU fuel flow gage on the MCDU.
Of course, it burns even less fuel if you turn both packs off..... but then people get gripey, and flight attendants don't like that.

Quoting Iaherj (Reply 20):
It has the best lines of the 737 series(read looks).

No, you're quite wrong there. You're thinking of the -200.  Smile


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3814 times:



Quoting Iaherj (Reply 19):
it is slow

Just like the 500's, slow and burns alot more gas than the NG' as has been mentioned previously.

Funny thing is they are sooooo slow, the very airplanes which some mainline pilots detest can run circles around them at cruise and do.

The first 300 I flew on was back in 1989 and it was unique with the motors having the flat bottom, but their time has come.
 tombstone 



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

How much life is left in these old girls? Could they be converted to freighters and flown for another 5 years or so?


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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3357 times:



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 23):
How much life is left in these old girls? Could they be converted to freighters and flown for another 5 years or so?

Cycle and TT wise, they had time left to be flown onward, however there are companies that are in need of 737-300 parts and these 737-300s were worth more to be parted out than continuing to fly, be it for CO or other airlines.

Ship 303 joined 301 up at ARG yesterday, by the way.

JSD



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
25 MSYPI7185 : US has already begun retiring their 733 fleet as well as 734. US being the launch customer for the 733 and PI the launch for the 734 (PI became US be
26 RayChuang : The CO and US 733 retirements are not surprising considering these planes may have a huge number of takeoff/landing cycles on them, and may be approac
27 Jacobcal : As a flight attendant I'm very glad to see these planes go but as an airline buff it makes me sad. These birds have served us well at CO. I will be fl
28 MSYPI7185 : IIRC WN is scheduled to have retired all of their 733 fleet by the end of 2010 if not sooner.
29 DescendVia : No its the 735 fleet. Most of the 737-300s are getting the RNP conversion.
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