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AC Ending AUS-YYZ Again?  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6562 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

I don't see any nonstop flights listed after September 7. Is this a seasonal or permanent cut?

AC hasn't had much luck in this market.

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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Seems to be the case. Don't know if seasonal or not, but with the recent sale of a big chunk of what's left of Nortel to LM Ericsson, there'll be even less traffic from Canada to Austin.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

My gut feeling is that it's a permanent cut. Just yesterday, I happened to look at Austin-Bergstrom's passenger activity report for June and AC, which had 4,500 available seats in/out of AUS only carried 1,464 passengers or about 1/3 of of capacity. (See page 15 of the report) And that figure was down 49% from the 2,873 passengers AC had at AUS in June of 2008.

LoneStarMike


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

AC does seem to struggle in new markets where they are not already established. Another example would have been YYZ-SLC and YVR-SMF. The new YYC-PDX seems to be doing well as they already serve that market with multiple daily flights from YVR,the same thing can be said for YYC-SEA which started about a couple of years ago.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

There is an unconfirmed report (actually a rumor) at Houston Spotters that AC might be considering ceasing IAH ops (both YYZ and YYC ). Has anyone else (especially those familiar with AC) heard anything regarding IAH be it positive or negative?

Thomas

[Edited 2009-08-03 11:25:44]

[Edited 2009-08-03 11:45:19]


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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

With CO joining Star Alliance soon, I would be VERY surprised to see AC leave IAH. This is especially true since AC and CO were 2 of the airlines seeking ATI for trans-Atlantic flights. If anything, I would expect AC to increase service to YYZ.

User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4744 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
AC does seem to struggle in new markets where they are not already established. Another example would have been YYZ-SLC and YVR-SMF. The new YYC-PDX seems to be doing well as they already serve that market with multiple daily flights from YVR,the same thing can be said for YYC-SEA which started about a couple of years ago.

Can someone say *A FF base size? AUS is dominated by AA members. SLC...Delta. SMF...*A is descent size but I believe others would be bigger...AA/Alaska. PDX and SEA both have a descent size Mileage Plus member base, even with all the Oneworld members. This helps a ton.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4677 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
There is an unconfirmed report (actually a rumor) at Houston Spotters that AC might be considering ceasing IAH ops (both YYZ and YYC ). Has anyone else (especially those familiar with AC) heard anything regarding IAH be it positive or negative?

Thomas

Rumour from whom? Why would AC stop the routes? because YYC-IAH was not given ATI?

With *A I would think the routes would be fine. What do the loads look like? We should be able to find them via IAH's website.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4628 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 7):
Rumour from whom? Why would AC stop the routes? because YYC-IAH was not given ATI?

Thats a good question, Supposedly he has someone on the inside (his wife, a ticket agent)
Anywho, here is his argument that AC is planning to pull IAH...BTW, this is a paste from Houston Spotters, as a link can not be offered as viewing the forums requires membership.

It's not really Air Canada anyway---it's Jazz. And the ticketing and gate is handled by ATS, not Air Canada or Jazz. AC fired all their own employees last year and brought in the contract company with lower wages and no flight benefits. ATS that handles Jazz in other hubs has already been notified that they will be closing out all operations.

Since IAH has so many carriers using the same routes, it's likely that Jazz will be gone sooner than later. And now that CO is becoming STAR Alliance, it will likely mean more chance than less. They can use AC flight numbers as codeshare.

A little over a year ago AC had big plans to make IAH a giant center with flights to Mexico and Central America all connecting through IAH and sharing with others. Now that CO is joining STAR, those plans changed and AC all but pulled out.

AC is making big cuts in many markets right now. IAH will not last.


Again, this is his reasoning for the possible ceasing of ops at IAH. I am not saying that I agree, just putting it out there and asking from some who might be in "the know" if they have heard anything?

Thomas



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

How does the ATI rulling work? IAH-YYC was a listed route that as I understand it, CO and AC cannot arrange fares or schedules one. Can they still codeshare if the pax are not O/D to IAH or YYC?

With the AUS flight leaving, even with small numbers, will any of those pax look for AC or *A out of IAH?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4547 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
AC does seem to struggle in new markets where they are not already established. Another example would have been YYZ-SLC and YVR-SMF. The new YYC-PDX seems to be doing well as they already serve that market with multiple daily flights from YVR,the same thing can be said for YYC-SEA which started about a couple of years ago

Expanding on this post, AC/Jazz has constantly adjusted their routes and schedules here in SAN as well although they've now been here since 2005; they've managed to maintain a minimum of 1 daily flight, year round, with usually 2 a day over 2 different routes. (But, they were here at least once before and pulled out.)

By now I hope they have enough name recognition and following here to have a healthy base for north-bound travel, and I know the airport and C of C in San Diego have been spending a lot of money advertising our fair city to those north of the border.

Also, some of the destinations in the southern part of the U.S. require a pretty long flight from Canada at a relatively high fare, and in the current economy.... (And, with AC's current financial issues, marginal, thin routes are probably going away in large numbers.)

bb


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4454 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Also, some of the destinations in the southern part of the U.S. require a pretty long flight from Canada at a relatively high fare, and in the current economy....

Exactly. You don't see secondary northern cities such as MKE or MCI losing flights, even though such cities are roughly the same size as AUS, SAN, MSY??



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4256 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
There is an unconfirmed report (actually a rumor) at Houston Spotters that AC might be considering ceasing IAH ops (both YYZ and YYC ). Has anyone else (especially those familiar with AC) heard anything regarding IAH be it positive or negative?

YYC should be a strong market for AC...CO does really well on it..so with both carriers joining *A, one would think that that the opposite might happen...CO would cut back on YYZ / YYC and leave it to AC. AC could also take advantage of CO extensive LatAmerican ops.

For example....there are over 3000 condo owners from the YYC area here in BZE which currently use IAH to get home....they do so much back and forth that Westjet is looking into service for 2010.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4237 times:



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 5):
With CO joining Star Alliance soon, I would be VERY surprised to see AC leave IAH. This is especially true since AC and CO were 2 of the airlines seeking ATI for trans-Atlantic flights. If anything, I would expect AC to increase service to YYZ

I believe this has more to do with the down turn in energy costs (the price of oil) more then it has to do with CO becoming a member of *A. If anything having CO as a member of *A would allow AC to reduce frequencies on the route altogether in looking for higher airfares with reduced competition.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4163 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
How does the ATI rulling work? IAH-YYC was a listed route that as I understand it, CO and AC cannot arrange fares or schedules one. Can they still codeshare if the pax are not O/D to IAH or YYC?

My understanding of it is that they can codeshare on any route. The carve-outs like IAH-YYZ and IAH-YYC only restrict them from working together to set pricing on the routes. I would not be surprised to see Jazz being withdrawn from the routes and CO becoming the operator. An example of where both AC and CO could discuss fares on a route would be YVR-IAH as they will have full ATI applicable to the route as AC does not and never has operated that route themselves. I would imagine things will become clearer once AC releases their winter schedule around labour day.


User currently offlineEvolv From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

If AC does pull out of IAH and CO picks up the slack, what are the chances we'd see the 757 operate the route?

User currently offlineCrj 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

I just asked our VP of customer service if we (jazz) were pulling out of IAH. He told me officially, NO. So, your sources are wrong.

User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

I find it hard to believe that AC would willingly give up the Calgary - Houston oil route.

The route is "overpriced" and almost always full (even with current competition of CO) as there is quite a lot of business paid travel between the two cities even during this economic downtime.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Can a I throw in a please-bring-back-IAH-YEG-non-stop please post since we are talking about Canada. Either the CO 735 or AC or someone!!!!!


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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3292 times:



Quoting Crj 900 (Reply 16):
I just asked our VP of customer service if we (jazz) were pulling out of IAH. He told me officially, NO. So, your sources are wrong.

Just remember that AC calls the shots and they will tell Jazz when and where to fly. Furthermore,they will advise Jazz when it is prudent and operationally required for them to do so. So yes,your VP is correct for now and is advising you what they currently know.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 18):
Can a I throw in a please-bring-back-IAH-YEG-non-stop please post since we are talking about Canada. Either the CO 735 or AC or someone!!!!!

That would seem a reasonable possibility.

Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 17):
I find it hard to believe that AC would willingly give up the Calgary - Houston oil route.

The route is "overpriced" and almost always full (even with current competition of CO) as there is quite a lot of business paid travel between the two cities even during this economic downtime.

I beg to differ. Always full no. Over-priced as a non-stop maybe. A lot of business traffic,as a proportion of passengers,likely.


User currently offlineCrj 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

"Just remember that AC calls the shots and they will tell Jazz when and where to fly. Furthermore,they will advise Jazz when it is prudent and operationally required for them to do so. So yes,your VP is correct for now and is advising you what they currently know."


Nooooooo, really? is that how it works? ROFL I have been working there long enough to know "how" our CPA works.


User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

This was made official earlier today:
http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin...y8.html?ed=2009-08-10&ana=e_du_pub



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User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

AC is not pulling out of Houston, this is certifiably false.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2812 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 18):
Can a I throw in a please-bring-back-IAH-YEG-non-stop please post since we are talking about Canada. Either the CO 735 or AC or someone!!!!!

I think the issue with IAH-YEG is CO's fleet. It's a L-O-N-G route for the XRJ, and it's a thin route for the 735. A 170 would be the ideal aircraft. Perhaps, as UA, AC, and CO get closer, we might see S5 flying it.



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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 18):
Can a I throw in a please-bring-back-IAH-YEG-non-stop please post since we are talking about Canada. Either the CO 735 or AC or someone!!!!!

I think the issue with IAH-YEG is CO's fleet. It's a L-O-N-G route for the XRJ, and it's a thin route for the 735. A 170 would be the ideal aircraft. Perhaps, as UA, AC, and CO get closer, we might see S5 flying it.

Welp it was just announced today so you got your wish! 735


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

yes I know. I am happy my wish came true! now just give me Maracaibo from IAH non-stop and all will be copacetic for me.


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