PillowTester From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7249 times:
Today's NW 747 incident made me wonder, are we going to see 747-200s in new Delta colours? Or will they be left in NW colours until retirement?
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7193 times:
Quoting PillowTester (Thread starter): Today's NW 747 incident made me wonder, are we going to see 747-200s in new Delta colours? Or will they be left in NW colours until retirement?
Well... Delta has been known to spend huge sums of money on things that will be retired in the short term anyway, so I suppose it's possible.
But, I don't think either 6623 or 6624 are due for paint in less than a year, so most likely not.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6956 times:
No, you won't.
I expect Delta to junk the two remaining 742s as soon as the certificates are merged; then, they'll fly the military charters with 777s or 767s or even 757s (a la ATA), whichever they have sitting around the hangar at the time.
The 742 isn't really an economically viable aircraft any longer, even for lucrative Fed contracts, in my estimation.
Year end, when they shut down NWA Cargo, I expect will be the death of the 742 pax birds as well.
N7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1495 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6930 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2): Year end, when they shut down NWA Cargo, I expect will be the death of the 742 pax birds as well.
The remaining passenger 747-200B's will be retired by the end of the year. Specifically the 742's will not be carried over to the single operating certificate of Delta once that is achieved, likely in late November, early December. Delta will only carry over the 16 747-400's and many of those will be going into (temporary) storage this fall.
Airbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6381 times:
As many people have stated here, sadly no. -200Fs will be retired by year end while the -200Bs (6623 and 6624) are scheduled to be parked by thanksgiving.
GriffAir From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6295 times:
Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4): it would rather send the 747-200 to Victorville
...and from now on, all DL retired/stored aircraft will go to Marana exclusively per a new contract. NW used MZJ. Whatever is already at VCV will presumably stay there.
"Life is tough...it's even tougher when your stupid" - John Wayne
DLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
From what I just read in Airliners Mag. DL is planning on axing all the B747-200's. Both pass. and freighters. This should all happen by the end of 2009. They plan on using reg flights to carry their cargo. DL states " The aircraft has become unecomonical to operate any
longer."
413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3594 times:
I highly doubt the military charter business is uneconomical. The freighters might go but I would not be surprised if they suddenly change their mind about the remaining 2 pax -200s. Unless they are due to expensive heavy checks at the end of the year
ATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1361 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3581 times:
Simple no as the guys above have said, they will be parked along with the Freighter 742's. Any other available widebody equipment taking over needed charters including: 763,A330's, 777's, or 744's.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
Quoting N7371f (Reply 3): Delta will only carry over the 16 747-400's and many of those will be going into (temporary) storage this fall.
Most people think 3-4 744s will be pulled and they will just "replace" the 742s with the pulled 744s. If they need them they will come back but AFAIK no 744 will go to a graveyard, they will just sit in MSP/DTW/ATL or where ever they are need at the time. (IMO we will se alot of NFL charters with them this year)
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2): then, they'll fly the military charters with 777s or 767s
Very likely 767-300s will take over that role. And because military charters can make midway stops without anyone complaining, no need for ERs either.
777s and 767-400s are too precious, and ATA only used the 757s in that role because they had to get rid of the L1011s, which just didn't work economically anymore.
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Favre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
Airbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3221 times:
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1266 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
The only plane in the DL fleet that does NOT have the new paint job is the CRJ-700! Will we see either EV, OH, or OO paint the first CRJ-700 anytime soon. My guess is that DL is still just focusing on the NW fleet first but I am looking forward to seeing the CR7 to be painted!
TheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2946 times:
Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4): DL has spent enough dollarsign painting the 744s; it would rather send the 747-200 to Victorville or as above use them for miltary charters....
I am hoping KMXE, it is close to me. NW has sent previous planes here for scrap.
CWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 621 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2934 times:
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 15): The only plane in the DL fleet that does NOT have the new paint job is the CRJ-700! Will we see either EV, OH, or OO paint the first CRJ-700 anytime soon. My guess is that DL is still just focusing on the NW fleet first but I am looking forward to seeing the CR7 to be painted!
Delta does not paint the Connection carrier airplanes. It's up to OO, OH, and EV to arrange paint on their airplanes.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 10): Most people think 3-4 744s will be pulled and they will just "replace" the 742s with the pulled 744s. If they need them they will come back but AFAIK no 744 will go to a graveyard, they will just sit in MSP/DTW/ATL or where ever they are need at the time. (IMO we will se alot of NFL charters with them this year)
Correct. The utiliziation of the 744 fleet over the winter is going to be lower so you will essentially see a rolling storage at DTW/MSP/ATL, like what NW did with the DC-10-40's in their last few years in the fleet. All aircraft remain airworthy in flying condition, but they park them for a day or two at a time and swap them in and out of service regularly.
It is expected that once the 2 742B's are removed this fall, 2-3 744's will essentially do military charter ops. The other 744's will do line flying, and other charters, like NFL. They are planning on sending any 744's to the desert over the winter, but scheduled passenger ops are only expected to use about 10 frames.
It will be interesting to see if they decide to paint any more 744's since they haven't painted any since April.
I can understand why they haven't painted any A330's and 753's since the spring since the utilization is so high over the summer months, they don't have spare frames to send off for painting.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Quoting Timf (Reply 14): This is the closest we'll get to seeing the 747-200s in Delta colors.
OMG. That picture should be a sign for cataplexy in any CEO. That is a big problem. That is WAY too complex of a fleet. Some types are going to have to go fast. They are going to have to lose the -9's and MD-80's and decide whether to replace them with 73G's or A320's. The current situation with so many plane types, especially with so much overlapping in size classes, is just absurd.
I suppose that at some fleet sizes, economies of scale get so large that you don't save much through simplification, but this fleet is WAY too diverse.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5309 posts, RR: 47 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2290 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19): They are going to have to lose the -9's and MD-80's and decide whether to replace them with 73G's or A320's.
Not many airlines have enough cash to replace 200 MD-88s, MD-90s, and DC-9s at the current moment, and who is to say they are getting rid of the MDs any time soon? Of that list the 742s, D93s, D94s are leaving relatively soon, and SF3s, CRJs, and ERJs are connection aircraft, which leaves the 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s, 777s, 320s, 330s, and MDs. In the future they will probably chose either 737s or 320s and 787s or 350s, so I don't think DL has much to worry about now, they have plans in motions, A.net CEOs don't know the business as well as (most) of them
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painting the 744s; it would rather send the 747-200 to Victorville or as above use them for miltary charters....
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