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Will We See 747-200s In New Delta Colours?  
User currently offlinePillowTester From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 245 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Today's NW 747 incident made me wonder, are we going to see 747-200s in new Delta colours? Or will they be left in NW colours until retirement?


...said Dan jubilantly.
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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8707 times:



Quoting PillowTester (Thread starter):
Today's NW 747 incident made me wonder, are we going to see 747-200s in new Delta colours? Or will they be left in NW colours until retirement?

Well... Delta has been known to spend huge sums of money on things that will be retired in the short term anyway, so I suppose it's possible.

But, I don't think either 6623 or 6624 are due for paint in less than a year, so most likely not.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

No, you won't.
I expect Delta to junk the two remaining 742s as soon as the certificates are merged; then, they'll fly the military charters with 777s or 767s or even 757s (a la ATA), whichever they have sitting around the hangar at the time.
The 742 isn't really an economically viable aircraft any longer, even for lucrative Fed contracts, in my estimation.
Year end, when they shut down NWA Cargo, I expect will be the death of the 742 pax birds as well.


User currently offlineN7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1734 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8444 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Year end, when they shut down NWA Cargo, I expect will be the death of the 742 pax birds as well.

The remaining passenger 747-200B's will be retired by the end of the year. Specifically the 742's will not be carried over to the single operating certificate of Delta once that is achieved, likely in late November, early December. Delta will only carry over the 16 747-400's and many of those will be going into (temporary) storage this fall.


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

DL has spent enough  dollarsign  painting the 744s; it would rather send the 747-200 to Victorville or as above use them for miltary charters....


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User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

As many people have stated here, sadly no. -200Fs will be retired by year end while the -200Bs (6623 and 6624) are scheduled to be parked by thanksgiving.

User currently offlineGriffAir From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7809 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4):
it would rather send the 747-200 to Victorville

...and from now on, all DL retired/stored aircraft will go to Marana exclusively per a new contract. NW used MZJ. Whatever is already at VCV will presumably stay there.


User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

From what I just read in Airliners Mag. DL is planning on axing all the B747-200's. Both pass. and freighters. This should all happen by the end of 2009. They plan on using reg flights to carry their cargo. DL states " The aircraft has become unecomonical to operate any
longer."

Chuck


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

I highly doubt the military charter business is uneconomical. The freighters might go but I would not be surprised if they suddenly change their mind about the remaining 2 pax -200s. Unless they are due to expensive heavy checks at the end of the year

User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1384 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

Simple no as the guys above have said, they will be parked along with the Freighter 742's. Any other available widebody equipment taking over needed charters including: 763,A330's, 777's, or 744's.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5076 times:



Quoting N7371f (Reply 3):
Delta will only carry over the 16 747-400's and many of those will be going into (temporary) storage this fall.

Most people think 3-4 744s will be pulled and they will just "replace" the 742s with the pulled 744s. If they need them they will come back but AFAIK no 744 will go to a graveyard, they will just sit in MSP/DTW/ATL or where ever they are need at the time. (IMO we will se alot of NFL charters with them this year)



yep.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5054 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
then, they'll fly the military charters with 777s or 767s

Very likely 767-300s will take over that role. And because military charters can make midway stops without anyone complaining, no need for ERs either.

777s and 767-400s are too precious, and ATA only used the 757s in that role because they had to get rid of the L1011s, which just didn't work economically anymore.



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User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4889 times:

29-Jul-09 Delta Paint Status

Fleet(# of a/c) Fleet Total % Complete
747-400(16 a/c) 63- 5 31%
A330(32 a/c) 33- 12 38%
757(23 a/c) 56- 15 65%
757(16 a/c) 58- 4 25%
A320(69 a/c) 32- 29 42%
A319(57 a/c) 31- 11 19%
DC9-50(34 a/c) 98- 23 68%
Total NWA to Delta 99 40%

Fleet A/C DOS Status Started Completed

747-400(16 a/c) 63-
6315 10 Painted 4/25/2009 VCV
6316 11 Painted 4/19/2009 VCV
6308 11 Painted 4/09/2009 VCV
6301 11 Painted 02/04/2009 VCV
6305 12 Painted 12/13/2008 VCV

A330(32 a/c) 33-
3312 10 Painted 04/02/2009 VCV
3321 10 Painted 03/31/2009 VCV
3319 10 Painted 03/22/2009 VCV
3307 10 Painted 03/08/2009 VCV
3309 10 Painted 03/11/2009 VCV
3314 10 Painted 03/7/2009 VCV
3306 10 Painted 02/28/2009 VCV
3305 10 Painted 02/24/2009 VCV
3304 11 Painted 02/17/2009 VCV
3303 11 Painted 02/13/2009 VCV
3302 11 Painted 02/06/2009 VCV
3301 11 Painted 01/26/2009 VCV

757(23 a/c) 56-
5636 9 In Paint 7-30-09 KUL
5635 12 Painted 7-27-09 KUL
5646 9 Painted 6-20-09 GLH
5647 9 Painted 6/19/2009 GLH
5645 9 Painted 06/10/09 GLH
5651 9 Painted 05/15/09 GLH
5652 9 Painted 05/03/09 GLH
5653 9 Painted 04/18/09 GLH
5650 9 Painted 04/07/2009 GLH
5654 9 Painted 03/29/2009 GLH
5655 9 Painted 03/19/2009 GLH
5656 9 Painted 03/08/2009 GLH
5641 9 Painted 02/28/2009 GLH
5657 9 Painted 2/05/2009 GLH
5644 9 Painted 1/27/2009 GLH
5639 10 Painted 12/15/2008 GLH


757(16 a/c) 58-
5814 10 Painted 05/27/09 GLH
5812 10 Painted 05/13/09 GLH
5811 10 Painted 05/02/09 GLH
5810 10 Painted 04/18/09 GLH

A320(69 a/c) 32-
3262 8 In Paint 7-30-09 GLH
3234 8 In Paint 7/29/09 VCV
3248 8 Painted 7-23-09 VCV
3261 8 Painted 7-19-09 GLH
3227 8 Painted 7-12-09 VCV
3264 8 Painted 7-10-09 GLH
3238 8 Painted 7-02-09 VCV
3226 8 Painted 6-30-09 GHL
3229 8 Painted 6-23-09 VCV
3225 8 Painted 6-20-09 VCV
3215 8 Painted 06/16/09 VCV
3221 8 Painted 6-19-09 VCV
3273 8 Painted 06/15/09 VCV
3269 8 Painted 06/11/09 VCV
3274 8 Painted 06/07/09 VCV
3233 8 Painted 06/03/09 VCV
3218 8 Painted 05/28/09 VCV
3209 8 Painted 05/24/09 VCV
3272 8 Painted 05/18/09 VCV
3232 8 Painted 05/15/09 VCV
3222 8 Painted 05/09/09 VCV
3230 8 Painted 05//09 VCV
3219 8 Painted 04/30/09 VCV
3231 8 Painted 04/28/09 VCV
3223 8 Painted 04/22/09 VCV
3224 8 Painted 04/20/09 VCV
3271 9 Painted 04/13/2009 VCV
3211 9 Painted 04/13/2009 VCV
3276 10 Painted 2/08/2009 GLH
3275 10 Painted 1/28/2009 GLH
3214 10 Painted 12/17/2008 GLH

A319(57 a/c) 31-
3130 8 In Paint 8-03-09 VCV
3162 8 Painted 8-01-09 VCV
3128 8 Painted 7-16-09 VCV
3152 8 Painted 7-7-09 VCV
3151 8 Painted 6-28-09 VCV
3155 10 Painted 6-27-09 GLH
3157 10 Painted 05/28/09 GLH
3144 10 Painted 05/22/09 GLH
3153 10 Painted 05/12/09 GLH
3143 10 Painted 05/01/09 GLH
3149 10 Painted 2/04/2009 GLH
3148 10 Painted 1/25/2009 GLH

DC9-50(34 a/c) 98-
9865 8 In Paint 8-01-09 GLH
9884 8 Painted 7-10-09 GLH
9885 8 Painted 7-2-09 GLH
9882 8 Painted 6-23-09 GLH
9875 8 Painted 06/15/09 GLH
9876 8 Painted 06/14/09 GLH
9883 8 Painted 06/06/09 GLH
9870 8 Painted 05/28/09 GLH
9874 8 Painted 05/18/09 GLH
9858 8 Painted 05/11/09 GLH
9866 8 Painted 04/29/09 GLH
9852 8 Painted 04/19/09 GLH
9864 8 Painted 04/10/09 GLH
9869 8 Painted 04/02/09 GLH
9877 8 Painted 03/15/2009 GLH
9880 8 Painted 03/15/2009 GLH
9862 8 Painted 2/26/2009 GLH
9860 8 Painted 02/26/2009 GLH
9851 8 Painted 2/18/2009 GLH
9859 8 Painted 2/10/2009 GLH
9886 8 Painted 2/01/2009 GLH
9867 8 Painted 12/16/2008 GLH
9871 8 Painted 1/14/2009 GLH
9878 8 Painted 1/22/2009 GLH



BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4735 times:



Quoting Favre (Reply 12):
DC9-50(34 a/c) 98- 23 68%

You are missing one in your total count vs your list. 24 DC95s have been painted.


User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
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This is the closest we'll get to seeing the 747-200s in Delta colors.

http://blog.delta.com/2009/08/05/image-delta-fleet-in-livery/


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

The only plane in the DL fleet that does NOT have the new paint job is the CRJ-700! Will we see either EV, OH, or OO paint the first CRJ-700 anytime soon. My guess is that DL is still just focusing on the NW fleet first but I am looking forward to seeing the CR7 to be painted!


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User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4460 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4):
DL has spent enough dollarsign painting the 744s; it would rather send the 747-200 to Victorville or as above use them for miltary charters....

I am hoping KMXE, it is close to me. NW has sent previous planes here for scrap.


User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4448 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 15):
The only plane in the DL fleet that does NOT have the new paint job is the CRJ-700! Will we see either EV, OH, or OO paint the first CRJ-700 anytime soon. My guess is that DL is still just focusing on the NW fleet first but I am looking forward to seeing the CR7 to be painted!

Delta does not paint the Connection carrier airplanes. It's up to OO, OH, and EV to arrange paint on their airplanes.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4089 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 10):
Most people think 3-4 744s will be pulled and they will just "replace" the 742s with the pulled 744s. If they need them they will come back but AFAIK no 744 will go to a graveyard, they will just sit in MSP/DTW/ATL or where ever they are need at the time. (IMO we will se alot of NFL charters with them this year)

Correct. The utiliziation of the 744 fleet over the winter is going to be lower so you will essentially see a rolling storage at DTW/MSP/ATL, like what NW did with the DC-10-40's in their last few years in the fleet. All aircraft remain airworthy in flying condition, but they park them for a day or two at a time and swap them in and out of service regularly.

It is expected that once the 2 742B's are removed this fall, 2-3 744's will essentially do military charter ops. The other 744's will do line flying, and other charters, like NFL. They are planning on sending any 744's to the desert over the winter, but scheduled passenger ops are only expected to use about 10 frames.

It will be interesting to see if they decide to paint any more 744's since they haven't painted any since April.

I can understand why they haven't painted any A330's and 753's since the spring since the utilization is so high over the summer months, they don't have spare frames to send off for painting.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3966 times:



Quoting Timf (Reply 14):
This is the closest we'll get to seeing the 747-200s in Delta colors.

OMG. That picture should be a sign for cataplexy in any CEO. That is a big problem. That is WAY too complex of a fleet. Some types are going to have to go fast. They are going to have to lose the -9's and MD-80's and decide whether to replace them with 73G's or A320's. The current situation with so many plane types, especially with so much overlapping in size classes, is just absurd.

I suppose that at some fleet sizes, economies of scale get so large that you don't save much through simplification, but this fleet is WAY too diverse.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3804 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
They are going to have to lose the -9's and MD-80's and decide whether to replace them with 73G's or A320's.

Not many airlines have enough cash to replace 200 MD-88s, MD-90s, and DC-9s at the current moment, and who is to say they are getting rid of the MDs any time soon? Of that list the 742s, D93s, D94s are leaving relatively soon, and SF3s, CRJs, and ERJs are connection aircraft, which leaves the 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s, 777s, 320s, 330s, and MDs. In the future they will probably chose either 737s or 320s and 787s or 350s, so I don't think DL has much to worry about now, they have plans in motions, A.net CEOs don't know the business as well as (most) of them  Smile



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
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