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China Southern Sell 6 A300-600rs To Who?  
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5418 times:
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It's reported by ATW that China Southern Airlines reached agreement to sell six A300-600Rs, plus five spare PW4158-3 engines and spare parts, for $124 million to Tigris International of the Netherlands Antilles.

A search for Tigris International shows a website that says they specialize in medical supplies and pharmacuticals and building componites like sand. No history or aircraft sales are mentioned. This site shows only one person with a Dutch name given as the sole listed employee.

My question is does anyone know more of this company and why they would want these aircraft AND are their any clues they could be headed to Iran.

The story goes on to say "CZ has been operating the aircraft for 14-16 years, it said, and expects a gain of approximately CNY46.6 million ($6.8 million) from the sale."


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Its certainly very possible they are on their way to somewhere they shouldn't be, although I am unable to find anything out about these people - which indicates not much more than a lot of info isn't available.

That being said, this is China we're discussing. If they wanted to sell planes to Iran, they would just do it.

NS


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5362 times:



Quoting M404 (Thread starter):
are their any clues they could be headed to Iran.

Why the big worry about Iran? These are commercial jets. Besides, Iran Air has operated the a300 for a while already.

The Tigris website is indeed odd in the sense that there is no information on it. It could be an empty holding company.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
If they wanted to sell planes to Iran, they would just do it.

Indeed, especially civilian aircraft.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5298 times:
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What me worry? Not at all. I'm only curious about marketing. I'd just as soon Iran got modern acft then the accusations might stop. I've flown on them several times and am always looking for news from that part of aviation.


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User currently offlineKogge From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5104 times:

And the strange thing is that they were supposed to be converted to Freighters at GAMECO in Guangzhou.
It was very quiet about that project, but a search on the Gameco web-site shows the following, including a picture of one of the aircraft fitted with a cargo door.!

http://www.gameco.com.cn/news/news/w...CurrentNews&forward=/main/P411.jsp

GAMECO Successfully Completed the First A300-600 Passenger to Freighter Conversation Outside Europe
With the joint efforts of GAMECO and FSI, aircraft B2315 (A300-600) carried out its certification test flight on Nov 26, 2008 after it completed the Passenger to Freighter (PTF) conversion in GAMECO. The certification test flight lasted for 3 continuous days and had completed successfully.

The encouraging result of the test flight not only indicates that GAMECO has completed its first A300-600 PTF conversion successfully, but also symbolizes GAMECO as the first MRO that has performed Airbus aircraft PTF conversion outside Europe.

The aircraft was delivered to its end user – China Southern Airlines Company Ltd on Jan 22, 2009.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4990 times:



Quoting M404 (Reply 3):
Not at all. I'm only curious about marketing.

OK, well, I do agree with you that it's all quite strange. AFAIK there are no aircraft leasing firms on the antilles. But the Dutch Antilles are often used as tax havens for empty holdings, that's why I mentioned it. But the description of the company certainly doesn't fit with the acquisition of 6 aircraft.

Quoting Kogge (Reply 4):
And the strange thing is that they were supposed to be converted to Freighters at GAMECO in Guangzhou.

So this has not/will not happen(ed)?



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User currently offlineLEEDS19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

3 CZ China Southern A300s were Sched for through DXB on the 1st August from URC to JNB but cancelled on the day and as yet have not shown up.They were only planned as 1 hour fuel stops.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9847 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4703 times:



Quoting M404 (Thread starter):
It's reported by ATW that China Southern Airlines reached agreement to sell six A300-600Rs, plus five spare PW4158-3 engines and spare parts, for $124 million to Tigris International of the Netherlands Antilles.

This is surprising news to me as I was not aware of any company in the Netherlands Antilles starting up cargo operations. Anyone with more info on this, please keep me informed. Interesting!!!!

A388


User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4633 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
That being said, this is China we're discussing. If they wanted to sell planes to Iran, they would just do it.

No they wouldn't. China Southern would come under heavy pressure from the US not to sell any aircraft to Iranian companies as do all airlines selling second hand aircraft. Any company in Iran wishing to source second hand aircraft and parts have to devote alot of time and resources in order to circumvent this problem. Companies in Iran are very rarely able to buy aircraft directly from the airline who initially sells them on and so there tends to be an opaque and complicated process involving foreign brokers, front companies, third countries etc, as if they are doing something illegal.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Does it say anywhere that CZ will not continue to use the aircraft? After all, it is not uncommon for airlines to sell planes to leasing companies then continue operating them on leases.

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4222 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
This is surprising news to me as I was not aware of any company in the Netherlands Antilles starting up cargo operations.

The info doesn't say or mean that some company on the Dutch Antilles is starting up cargo ops. Don't expect that to happen.... As said, it's just some holding company or broker.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9847 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4085 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 10):
As said, it's just some holding company or broker.

CUR can be used as a cargo transfer point. Why wouldn't a company want to connect South with North America via CUR? It might sound far fetched I know but at the same time, why not? CUR might be small but it doesn't mean that nothing can be done here.

A388


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