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Airbus Rolls Out A350 Fuselage Barrel  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (5 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 32081 times:

It is wonderful to see Airbus slowly getting the A350XWB program up and running.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-fuselage-barrel-demonstrator.html

Airbus has rolled out its second complete carbon-fibre test barrel as part of its development programme for the A350 XWB fuselage design.

This 18m (59ft)-long fuselage demonstrator, which Airbus dubs 'Barrel 1B' and describes as "second generation", was assembled in Hamburg and is close to the final design of the A350 fuselage, as it will be used for certification of design principle

"The tests performed on this barrel will mainly focus on the fatigue and damage tolerance of composite structures, the barrel being part of the certification of the aircraft," says Airbus.




[img]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=302968/img]

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 31973 times:

Thanks for the post


It looks indeed like thing are stirring at Airbus......  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13039 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 31877 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
"The tests performed on this barrel will mainly focus on the fatigue and damage tolerance of composite structures, the barrel being part of the certification of the aircraft," says Airbus.

I hope lessons learned free up funds for structural testing.

The trend in the industry is towards *fewer* fasteners. I hope Airbus went that path with the A350. I think the 787 will do well, I just am stunned at the fastener variety in the design. (My whole career we've been beat up to reduce the fastener variation in our designs.)

Does anyone have a link to the A350 schedule? I would also appreciate a link to see the A350 cross section of the final design, in particular the final XWB crew rests vs. passenger cabin profiles.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 31857 times:

The way things are going at Boeing, the A350 is going to be in service before the 787.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 31810 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 3):
The way things are going at Boeing, the A350 is going to be in service before the 787.

Wouldn't that be embarrassing. I still think Boeing will get the 787 off the ground before the 350 though.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSpeedBirdA380 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 31778 times:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
It is wonderful to see Airbus slowly getting the A350XWB program up and running.

Yes it is. Could someone confirm when first flight is schelduled please?

Wiki says 2011 but doe's anyone have know approximatley when in 2011?

I just hope that Airbus get this right and we dont have another A380 or 787 on our hands... 

[Edited 2009-08-04 09:14:27]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 31659 times:
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Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 2):
The trend in the industry is towards *fewer* fasteners. I hope Airbus went that path with the A350.

It would be nice to have a close-up high-resolution image so we can see how the fasteners look, especially at the panel joins, since that has been a source of contention in discussions on this forum.


User currently offlineTropical From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 31594 times:

Does anyone know how this ties up with the schedule of the programme? Does this show any light into whether it is running on time, or late?

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 31644 times:

I was not aware that the second photo did not load up correctly (my fault).  Sad

So here it goes.



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Wings



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 30906 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Airbus Rolls Out A350 Fuselage Barrel

Are they having a barrel of fun?  Smile

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Barrel_Polka

It's nice to think of that A350 barrel full of beer!  Smile

Glad to hear it's made in Germany, those folks know their beer!



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 30846 times:
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Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 5):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
It is wonderful to see Airbus slowly getting the A350XWB program up and running.

Yes it is.

I just hope that Airbus get this right and we dont have another A380 or 787 on our hands...

It sure is, I agree with this completely. But an actual schedule would give us some more detailed information where the program stands right now. And of course no one should hope for another A380 or B787 mess-up.  Sad


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 30576 times:



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 14):
It sure is, I agree with this completely. But an actual schedule would give us some more detailed information where the program stands right now. And of course no one should hope for another A380 or B787 mess-up. Sad

I did a little search and found a "long" article from Bloomberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aRjDYscn4Xrk

Quote Louis Gallois:
"The calendar is tight, it’s ambitious and we’re still on track"


But then again could Mr Gallois say anything else?


User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 30487 times:

Enders also said recently at Oshkosh, that they were on track:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...y-interview-with-airbus-ceo-t.html


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1863 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 29626 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
Quote Louis Gallois:
"The calendar is tight, it’s ambitious and we’re still on track"



Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 16):
Enders also said recently at Oshkosh, that they were on track:

And how many times had Charles Champion, Noël Forgeard and Gustav Humbert said the A380 was on track? And how many times had Mike Bair, Pat Shanahan, Scott Carson and Jim McNerney said the 787 was on track?

Both programs were on track to be at least two years late.  Sad

At this point, I think this industry has very little credibility.  Sad

Will the A350 have better luck with composite structures than the 787? Only time will tell.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 29273 times:



Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 18):
And how many times had Charles Champion, Noël Forgeard and Gustav Humbert said the A380 was on track? And how many times had Mike Bair, Pat Shanahan, Scott Carson and Jim McNerney said the 787 was on track?

Well, at least Forgeard and a few friends had the great sense to dump stock before the bad news went public... All by coincidence, of course!



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8322 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 29276 times:



Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 18):
ill the A350 have better luck with composite structures than the 787? Only time will tell.

They ought to. Airbus is not exactly new to the composite fuselage game (A300!).


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3014 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 29224 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
Are they having a barrel of fun?

Dang! Beat me to it!



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 29115 times:
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Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
I did a little search and found a "long" article from Bloomberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aRjDYscn4Xrk

Quote Louis Gallois:
"The calendar is tight, it’s ambitious and we’re still on track"

Thanks for this link. So far, so good.  Smile

Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 16):
Enders also said recently at Oshkosh, that they were on track:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl....html

Thanks for this link to you too. Agian, so far, so good for the A350-XWB development.  Smile


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28894 times:

I know the A350 is to be a fairly large aircraft, but...

Is it just me, or do those windows look awfully small in relation to the overall diameter of the barrel? Could it be that I'm simply acclimated to seeing pics of narrow-bodied aircraft and the 787, which has such large windows that it appears to be a narrow-body unless there's an element in the photo by which one can appreciate it's true size?



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28874 times:

The A300 fuselage definitely isn't composite, apart from some secondary structure.

MBB/DASA developed and built a composite wing box demonstrator in the 80s. I think at one point they even offered to build composite wings for Canadair or Gulfstream. The Germans had to drop all their wing box activities in favor of BAe, who successfully claimed it their specialty. But DASA went on with their composite vertical tailplanes.


User currently offlineSpeedBirdA380 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28849 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 23):
Maybe. Maybe not

 crossfingers   crossfingers   Big grin

An A350-900 and A380-900 both in the same year.......  cloudnine 


Another question for those in the know...Is there any word of GE and Airbus coming back to the table to discuss the option of offering an engine on the XWB?


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28633 times:
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Quoting TSS (Reply 26):
Is it just me, or do those windows look awfully small in relation to the overall diameter of the barrel?

I think it is just you  Wink. This is no offense, but I believe to have read that after the B787 the A350 will have the largest windows in the airliner industry.


User currently offlineDtswi From Portugal, joined Aug 2001, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28460 times:

Thank you for posting the picture. Is the window design definitive? I would have hoped for bigger windows...

Thanks for yr comments  Smile


User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 28243 times:



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 29):
I think it is just you Wink. This is no offense, but I believe to have read that after the B787 the A350 will have the largest windows in the airliner industry.

Actually, the A350 will have the widest windows and the 787 the tallest. Decide yourself which is "better" (of course there is no real need to nominate a winner other than for "mine is bigger than yours" purposes)


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 26588 times:

Fingers crossed everything will work out as close to the planned schedule for Airbus!

No 787 style delays thank you!

[Edited 2009-08-04 13:47:49]

25 Ikramerica : Taller is better. Give more people the ability to look out without neck pain. Wider only helps people with really wide heads...
26 AirframeAS : Is this made like a barrel (the same way the 787 was made) or are these CRFP panels that has been talked to death about in the past?
27 DocLightning : Ah, but how many of those are there on this forum? Good on Airbus. Just, advice from the other side of the Atlantic: be careful about your wing box.
28 EbbUK : Take a guess. Go on
29 Stitch : The A350XWB is composed of four large panels - two on each side, one above and one below - that are then fastened onto an internal skeletal structure
30 AirframeAS : I'll take the CRFP panels theory. It has been beat to death in the past that Airbus does not have the technology nor the money for the huge autoclave
31 Overcast : I think you'll find that this section was made of 3 sections( 2 joins ), it also looks like Airbus don't need to miss out Windows at joins like the B
32 EbbUK : Quite and IIRC Boeing has patented their technology so Airbus could not go there in the slim chance that they'd want to.
33 Post contains images DocLightning : Hint:
34 XT6Wagon : They will want to test thier joints, so even if they could do it as one barrel, its better for testing to do 12 panels into 3 joined barrels Not a fa
35 Blrsea : The flight global article says that the barrel has been made from three sections.
36 Airbazar : We may be debating the definition of "composite" but I was under the impression that the reason AA's A300's don't have the shiny belly is because it'
37 Cloudyapple : As is obvious in the picture. But each of the 3 sections from 4 composite panels as described by Stitch.
38 Castillo : 787 fuselage stringers are co-cured with CFRP barrel, not fastened (except for certain areas like nose).
39 Stitch : So if this just for testing purposes, or has Airbus decided not to go with three long fuselage sections as originally planned, but instead make the s
40 A380900 : Why don't they kick it with their feet to see how the thing is hoding up? This would have save Boeing some time...
41 CFBFrame : Demonstration.
42 Pellegrine : She's a beauty. Money? Airbus has enough to use whatever technology they please. ...computer modeling... AFAIK, the three section fuselage design has
43 Post contains links and images Astuteman : They were certainly careful about the A380's humungous CFRP wingbox..   I don't think that's correct. Have you seen the autoclaves for the A380 wing
44 GBan : Me too. I know they are not as tall but wider as some other big windows, but my first impression on these photos is that they look small. On a second
45 Beech19 : Errr... by your own video proof, the A380 can not have a CFRP wingbox considering it has Aluminum panels... And heat treating metal (cooking it as yo
46 Astuteman : The A380 has a CFRP centre wingbox. That's not a debate item It weighs about 11 tonnes, and probably has as much CFRP in it as one of the 787's barre
47 Slz396 : ROTLF - and the earth is flat! Dude, the A380 has a 100% CFRP wingbox, a fact which has been widely documented and is indeed no point of argument, ev
48 Revelation : Try to persevere with guarded optimism. Otherwise the let-down can be pretty severe! Spoken by someone who previously was a Boeing fan-boy (before th
49 Post contains links Astuteman : although I'd have a bit of care with this - 40% of it is "synthetic components" which are not CFRP (or aluminium) - I don't think it's "100% CFRP", a
50 BrouAviation : You'd like to bet on it? Boeing wasn't either, and the A300 is not a composite fuselage, it only has some minor composite parts. Can you tell me what
51 Slz396 : Obviously, I ment to say the CFRP wingbox of the A380 was 100% for real indeed... Simply too blown out of my socks after reading the comments from Be
52 CHRISBA777ER : I think both programmes were on track (at the beginning) but the execs "didnt get the memo" True. Far too much "spin" and PR and too little actual pl
53 Post contains links and images Zeke : I was very surprised at the amount of fasteners I saw on the 787, in some areas it seemed to me like more than what one would find on a metal aircraf
54 SASDC8 : I sure hope so! I hope that both the 7478 and 350 program goes well without major hiccups so that they restore the industry's credibility. Congrats t
55 Baroque : I think I read on a.net that it is made of Aluminum (not aluminium) refined in Kenya - which accounts for its being black - to a design coming from A
56 Astuteman : Doh! Idiot or what. Having re-read some of my quotes... Means the CFRP is 60% fibre, and 40% synthetic material... I have to say (before Stitch pulls
57 Danny : I find this really amusing that the Boeing crowd still claims that Boeing has some fantastic technology that Airbus has no clue about. Airbus pioneer
58 Babybus : And the roundest windows by the looks of it. They look like port holes on a ship. Whatever, the barrel looks very nice and it will look even better w
59 Swallow : "Read my lips" although he mentioned to Jon that EIS was 2014 before correcting himself to 2013 The proof of the composites will be in the flying Sad
60 Slz396 : Ideally, a CFRP fuselage would be truely monolithic, yet this is not achievable, so it needs to be built from pieces. This means you somehow need to
61 Post contains links FlyingAY : Having missed the barrel 1 pictures, this was a nice surprise. Glad to see something concrete coming out of the A350 program. And some OT: From the li
62 Astuteman : I'd like to think we have to some degree put that one to bed now 150ft x 20ft dia probably shades the size of any autoclave being used on the 787, no
63 Baroque : All true, but I have it on good authority that the black aluminum made in Kenya is spelled just that way. I think that the Int Union of Pure and Appl
64 Post contains images Stitch : Well they didn't let me play around inside it, though I could have. It looks impressive enough just on it's own, but then they rolled out an A320 win
65 EA772LR : Not sure I'm following the constant stabs at the 787 Nice summary Great post Zeke I'm suddenly becoming very excited to see this new bird come togeth
66 BrouAviation : You stated in a thread not so long ago, that anyone who thought size wouldn't bring more complexity has no idea of what he is talking about. Now, I u
67 Baroque : 10, 9, 8, he must be busy. In short the answer will be yes. But I think with a bit of luck you will get the full list. And FWIW, the wings are not ju
68 XT6Wagon : They are not actual A350 barrels. They are test items used to develop the design, modeling, testing, and production tools for the real item. Boeing d
69 Post contains images EPA001 : I agree completely. Such statements are proof of the fact that some like to think the A380 is a larger B747-400 at best. Where in reality it is a new
70 RIX : - or like those good old days style ones that I experienced on Il18 and Tu134. Great job, Airbus! - after some ignorant statement about Airbus not be
71 Pellegrine : I just don't see how it's that big a deal. It's a test barrel. Did the 787 test barrel from Feb. 2008 have every detail of a finished production barr
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