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Turkish Airlines To Enter Australian Market In 2011  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10958 times:

Turkish Airlines plans to start flying into Australia from 2011, its chief executive announced Tuesday at a press conference in Sydney. (Wednesday, 5 August 2009)


After giving a presentation at the Australia Pacific Aviation Outlook Summit 2009 yesterday, CEO Temel Kotil told reporters that Australia was a destination it planned to serve two years from now.

With the carrier’s expansion to Jakarta scheduled to start at the end of this month, Kotil said a Boeing 777-300 aircraft would serve the Australian route from Istanbul via Jakarta.

Kotil was confident that the carrier would be able to compete in the Australian market as it “covers Europe better” than any other airline.

He expects the flights will bring in many tourists from Turkey and be able to serve Australians desiring to visit Turkey for ANZAC services.

The carrier plans to continue expanding its network and frequency, with the Philippines and Vietnam next on its destination wish list.

Kotil added that the carrier hopes to double its frequency in the next two to three years, with hopes to eradicate limitations on destinations such as Narita, Japan which it hopes to increase its four-weekly flights to daily operations.

To serve its expansion Turkish Airlines have ordered 19 aircraft, 12 of which are Boeing 777-300s in a 3-class configuration and 7 of which are Airbus 330-300s.


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10887 times:



Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Turkish Airlines plans to start flying into Australia from 2011, its chief executive announced Tuesday at a press conference in Sydney. (Wednesday, 5 August 2009)

Lots of luck, your going to need it!
It's GREAT to see a third European carrier (let's NOT get into that please!) on the Kangaroo route. If they are really seroius at being a connecting carrier between Oz and Europe they really need to elimate the Jakarta stop, in due course.

(All Great Circle)
SYD-IST = 8076nm (8078! IST-JKT-SYD)
LHR-PER = 7829nm
LHR-SIN = 5879nm
SYD-DXB = 6500nm

Boeing 77L range @ 301 pax = 9380nm

So it's doable according to Boeing, but it IS getting up there, probably take a payload hit west bound some of the year, but if TK really want to become a serious player OZ-Europe they have to offer one stop services. Two stop services are yeild killers! Maybe they could convet the last two/three B77W into B77Ls or tack some on to the end.


Gemuser



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5074 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10852 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
wo stop services are yeild killers!

= Not necessarily. I don't think TK is going for the LHR/CDG/FRA/FCO originating markets necessarily. They are going for second string European markets - where they have a competitive advantage over EK, QR, EY.

As I have maintained and said many times on this forum, TK is the one airline I'd keep my money on.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10832 times:

I see them more as a competition to EK. Two stops to the EU is tedious though. It would have to be good pricing. I'll keep an eye out for them in J. They might be a good carrier for middle east (Israel, Egypt, Jordan anyway). I presume they fly there.


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10812 times:

The real question here is will it be MEL or SYD that gets the services. I dont see it being a combination route (IST-CGK-SYD-MEL-CGK-IST)

MEL has a larger Turkish population, but this is not always the deciding factor. One thing that could also be a deciding factor is that CGK will have 3 X MH and 3 X GA services on the CGK-MEL route. Many already think that this will be too much capacity. By 2011 though, who knows what will still exist on the route.

Will be interesting to see. It is a very unexpected announcement as most thought that Codesharing was likely to be the way forward for them into the Australian market.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2359 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10740 times:

Did TK used to serve O-Z, or am I thinking of Austrian?

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
So it's doable according to Boeing, but it IS getting up there, probably take a payload hit west bound some of the year, but if TK really want to become a serious player OZ-Europe they have to offer one stop services.

IST-SYD-IST doable by A345/B77L for sure at good pax payload.

CGK is kinda a low budget stop though, no offense intended.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10699 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 2):
They are going for second string European markets - where they have a competitive advantage over EK, QR, EY.

What competitive advantage? All three airlines have non stops from SYD/MEL and in EK's case SYD/MEL/BNE/PER to their hub, then one stop to many secondary European cities.
EKserves :GLA,MAN,NCL,BHX,DUS,HAM,FRA,MUC,VIE,VCE,ZHR,NCE,CDG,MXP,FCO,ATH, IST, MALTA & LARNACA. That's 19 cities, take out LHR & FRA as they are the only European cities to have same plane services from Oz, thats 17 European cities, EY adds four more, DME,BRU,DUB & GVA and QR adds two more, ARN & TXL. That's a total of 23 cities.

Two stop are generally much cheaper from Oz. Mrs Gemuser and I are going to VCE from SYD in October, the fare on EK via BKK & DXB was $A700-$A800 cheaper than using the non stop SYD-DXB flights. I'd call that a yield killer for EK from SYD!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5074 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10665 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 6):
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 2):
They are going for second string European markets - where they have a competitive advantage over EK, QR, EY.

What competitive advantage? All three airlines have non stops from SYD/MEL and in EK's case SYD/MEL/BNE/PER to their hub, then one stop to many secondary European cities.
EKserves :GLA,MAN,NCL,BHX,DUS,HAM,FRA,MUC,VIE,VCE,ZHR,NCE,CDG,MXP,FCO,ATH, IST, MALTA & LARNACA. That's 19 cities, take out LHR & FRA as they are the only European cities to have same plane services from Oz, thats 17 European cities, EY adds four more, DME,BRU,DUB & GVA and QR adds two more, ARN & TXL. That's a total of 23 cities.

=

EK:
* Austria
o Vienna - Vienna International Airport
* France
o Nice - Côte d'Azur Airport
o Paris - Charles de Gaulle Airport
* Germany
o Düsseldorf - Düsseldorf Airport
o Frankfurt - Frankfurt Airport
o Hamburg - Hamburg Airport
o Munich - Munich Airport
* Greece
o Athens - Athens International Airport
* Italy
o Milan - Malpensa Airport
o Rome - Leonardo da Vinci Airport
o Venice - Venice Marco Polo Airport
* Malta
o Luqa - Malta International Airport
* Russia
o Moscow - Domodedovo International Airport
* Switzerland
o Zürich - Zürich Airport
* Turkey
o Istanbul - Atatürk International Airport
* United Kingdom
o Birmingham - Birmingham International Airport
o Glasgow - Glasgow International Airport
o London
+ London Heathrow Airport
+ London Gatwick Airport
o Manchester - Manchester Airport
o Newcastle - Newcastle Airport

TK:
* Albania
o Tirana - Nënë Tereza Airport **
* Austria
o Vienna - Schwechat Airport
* Azerbaijan
o Baku - Heydar Aliyev International Airport
* Belgium
o Brussels - Brussels Airport
* Belarus
o Minsk - Minsk International Airport
* Bosnia and Herzegovina
o Sarajevo - Sarajevo International Airport
* Bulgaria
o Sofia - Sofia Airport
* Croatia
o Zagreb - Zagreb Airport
* Czech Republic
o Prague - Ruzyně Airport
* Denmark
o Copenhagen - Kastrup Airport
* Finland
o Helsinki - Vantaa Airport
* France
o Lyons - Saint-Exupéry Airport
o Mulhouse - EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg
o Nice - Côte d'Azur Airport
o Paris - Roissy-Charles de Gaulle Airport **
* Georgia
o Batumi - Batumi Airport
o Tbilisi - Tbilisi International Airport **
* Germany
o Berlin - Tegel International Airport
o Cologne - Cologne/Bonn Airport **
o Düsseldorf - Düsseldorf International Airport
o Frankfurt - Frankfurt Airport **
o Hamburg - Fuhlsbüttel Airport
o Hanover - Langenhagen Airport
o Munich - Franz Josef Strauss Airport
o Nürnberg - Nuremberg Airport
o Stuttgart - Echterdingen Airport
* Greece
o Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos Airport
* Hungary
o Budapest - Ferihegy Airport
* Ireland
o Dublin - Dublin Airport
* Italy
o Bologna - Bologna Airport [begins in 2009] [3]
o Milan - Malpensa International Airport **
o Rome - Leonardo da Vinci Airport
o Venice - Marco Polo Airport
* Kosovo
o Pristina - Pristina Airport **
* Latvia
o Riga - Riga International Airport
* Macedonia
o Skopje - Skopje Airport
* Moldova
o Chişinău - Chişinău International Airport
* Netherlands
o Amsterdam - Amsterdam Airport Schiphol
o Maastricht - Maastricht Aachen Airport - Cargo only
* Norway
o Oslo - Gardermoen Airport
* Poland
o Warsaw - Frederic Chopin Airport
* Portugal
o Lisbon - Portela Airport
* Romania
o Bucharest - Henri Coandă International Airport
* Russia
o Kazan - Kazan Airport
o Moscow - Sheremetyevo International Airport
o Rostov - Rostov-na-Donu Airport
o Saint Petersburg - Pulkovo Airport
o Ufa - Ufa International Airport
o Yekaterinburg - Koltsovo International Airport
* Serbia
o Belgrade - Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport
* Slovenia
o Ljubljana - Ljubljana Jože Pučnik Airport
* Spain
o Barcelona - El Prat Airport
o Madrid - Barajas Airport **
* Sweden
o Gothenburg - Gothenburg-Landvetter Airport
o Stockholm - Arlanda Airport
* Switzerland
o Geneva - Geneva Cointrin International Airport
o Zürich - Kloten Airport **
* Turkey
o Adana - Şakirpaşa Airport
o Adıyaman - Adıyaman Airport
o Ağrı - Ağrı Airport
o Amasya - Merzifon Airport
o Ankara - Esenboğa International Airport Focus City
o Antalya - Antalya International Airport
o Batman - Batman Airport
o Bodrum - Milas-Bodrum Airport
o Bursa - Yenişehir Airport
o Çanakkale - Çanakkale Airport
o Dalaman - Dalaman Airport
o Denizli - Çardak Airport
o Diyarbakır - Diyarbakır Airport
o Elazığ - Elazığ Airport
o Erzincan - Erzincan Airport
o Erzurum - Erzurum Airport
o Eskisehir - Anadolu Airport
o Gaziantep - Oğuzeli Airport
o Hatay - Hatay Airport
o Isparta - Isparta Süleyman Demirel Airport [begins in 2009] [4]
o Istanbul
+ Atatürk International Airport Hub
+ Sabiha Gökçen International Airport Focus City
o İzmir - Adnan Menderes International Airport
o Kahramanmaraş - Kahramanmaraş Airport
o Kars - Kars Airport
o Kayseri - Erkilet Airport
o Konya - Konya Airport
o Malatya - Erhaç Airport
o Mardin - Mardin Airport
o Muş - Muş Airport
o Nevsehir - Kapadokya Airport
o Samsun - Çarşamba Airport
o Sinop - Sinop Airport
o Sivas - Sivas Airport
o Şanlıurfa - Şanlıurfa Airport
o Trabzon - Trabzon Airport
o Uşak - Uşak Airport
o Van - Ferit Melen Airport
* Ukraine
o Donetsk - Donetsk Airport
o Dnepropetrovsk - Dnipropetrovsk International Airport
o Kiev - Boryspil Airport
o Lviv - Lviv International Airport
o Odessa - Odessa Airport
o Simferopol - Simferopol Airport
* United Kingdom
o Birmingham - Birmingham International Airport
o London
+ Gatwick Airport - Cargo only
+ Heathrow Airport
+ Stansted Airport
o Manchester - Manchester Airport

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10647 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Turkish Airlines plans to start flying into Australia from 2011, its chief executive announced Tuesday at a press conference in Sydney. (Wednesday, 5 August 2009)



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
The real question here is will it be MEL or SYD that gets the services.

the fact that the press conference was in SYD could be an indication perhaps ?



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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10617 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
TK:
* Albania
o Tirana - Nënë Tereza Airport **
* Austria
o Vienna - Schwechat Airport
* Azerbaijan
o Baku - Heydar Aliyev International Airport
...

Good grief, man, that's a lot of typing!

You forgot to give us a count. (I got 65 European destinations without any Turkish stations-after all, most of those are on the Asian side Big grin ).

Poor Turkish, never gets the recognition it's flashier middle eastern competitors get.

yeo



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User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10572 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 9):
Good grief, man, that's a lot of typing!

wiki does it for you  Smile))



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5074 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10542 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 9):
Good grief, man, that's a lot of typing!

= Give me some credit. My typing would be far more OCD and neat  Smile. It is all about copy and pasting from WIKI as described below:

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 10):
iki does it for you Smile))



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 9):

Poor Turkish, never gets the recognition it's flashier middle eastern competitors get.

= Don't worry - they are beginning to appear on the radar of the pampered trio further down South. As I have mentioned, one of the airlines to truly watch out for the future.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10486 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 11):
As I have mentioned, one of the airlines to truly watch out for the future.

very difficult with the current airport in IST. Yes, it was a stunning terminal building when it was completed back in 2000 but now IST needs a world class structure for sure.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10455 times:

I'm really happy for TK!

They scored all of JU's pax to DXB since JU dropped the route. They also picked all the cream as a result of EK/JU fallout to destinations in Africa, Middle East and Far East, and in 2011 they will be able to pick a nice bunch of pax traveling to Oz!

Good product, decent fares, flown with them many times - they deserve it!



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10411 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
=

Intresting list. There are about 18-20 ports not served by EK, EY, QR that COULD provide some traffic to Oz/NZ, but none of them are going to give a lot of traffic or very good yields.The pick would probabley be the German cities of Hanover, Nurnberg, Stuttgart and AMS, which inexplicitly no Gulf airline serves. After that BCN, BEL, CPH, OSL & WAW seem the best.

I'm not saying that TK gould not do well to Oz, looking at that network, they COULD do very well, but it will be in intense compertation with the Gulf carriers. They will have to set IST up as a hub as slick as DXB etc and orginise their banks appropriatly to feed the long haul, which might cause problems with their existing O&D traffic.

One intersting extra bit of info would be add the frequency to your list. One of EK's weaknesses is that because they only have A330s & up many of their ports are only served once daily, which can play havoc with connections. A classic example of this is the flight I am booked on in October. West bound we have a very reasonable connection of about 3.5 hours (0630 to 1000), but east bound it's horriable, about 9 hours (2330 to 0830). One saving grace is that DXB has a transit hotel in the actual terminal before C&I. So we have booked a hotel room for that transit, not cheap but better than hanging around (and if your not on a bottom feeder fare EK will pick up the tab).

So to do it properaly may require terminal changes & addations in IST and more east side flights than TK currently has. DXB has the reputation of being an excellent transit hub, like SIN & HKG, I'll let you know late in October! IST would pretty much have to match it to compete.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10330 times:

TK will do well in Australia and will be very successful. There are numerous reasons why TK is selected by many passangers in the Middle East, Eurasia and North Africa as well as in Europe. Both the ME carriers or the European carriers cannot compete with TK in Eastern Europe, CIS and European routes as TK not only has severe more destinations, also has intense frequency on these routes making transit times bearable.

Also Turkey itself is a huge market with the number of Turkish people living at OZ and the number of Australians visiting Turkey.

IST is in fact the best connecting point between East and West as well as North and South. All roads lead to Rome in fact meant "East Rome" (of which the capital was Constantinople, todays Istanbul). However, over centruies the saying was misused and thought that it meant Rome in Italy which is not the case as proverd by historians.

Ancient world knew the signifigance of IST but it took some time before we Turks realize and equip IST and TK with the proper development it deserves. No wonder Napoleon Bonapard said "If world would be one country it's capital would be Istanbul"


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

TK do a decent amount of business in Australia already. They have in the past had a range of fares connecting through. Currently they offer a fare with BA/QF to:

ALP / ATH / BEG / BEY / BUD / BUH / DAM / DNK / DOK / ECN / IEV / LJU / MSQ / ODS / PRN / SIP / SJJ / SKP / SOF / TBZ / THR / TIA / TLV / ZAG

So this might be an indication of the cities they are looking at for connecting traffic...

Central Asian countries would also be served well - lot of oil and gas there. But, wouldn't expect Australia -> Kazakhstan traffic to be too much.

Parts of Africa are a possibility. TK used to offer quite a few fares from Australia to Africa (with SYD-BKK on QF). If they can get the scheduling right, SYD-JKT-IST-LOS is only 1000mi further than SYD-DXB-LOS. TK have a lot of North African destinations in which they might be competitive (Algieria, Ethiopia, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan etc).

In Australia, the problem will be branding and image. No disrespect to Turkish members --- but Turkish Airlines would perhaps not be perceived well by the average Australian who would rather go QF, SQ, TG... Unless the price is a lot less. Not to say it can't be done... Emirates didn't have a great image but built it up, and TK is currently building up their image. Of course our resident-TR expert Alex is their biggest cheer leader  Wink

I think perhaps the bigger market for TK is connecting the people who live in the "emerging" European countries with Australia. A whole lot of people over there will be, for the first time, looking to explore the land beyond their borders, and most of these countries lack major airlines. But is this market high enough yielding to support the route...

Interesting.

Look forward to welcoming TK to Australia - they'd be top of my list to fly from what I have read on this site and FT...


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10088 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
the fact that the press conference was in SYD could be an indication perhaps ?

At first glance that would appear so but it was being announced at an event in that city so it may not be as clear as first read suggests.


User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4385 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

Jakarta just got added on to the SIN service since the plane was sitting there for many hours before returning to IST. So, I am not sure if SYD flights will have a stop there as opposed to SIN or someplace else.
Vietnam and Philippines flights are very interesting also. I have a feeling Vietnam will be first.

Also the list of secondary markets will grow probably by another 10-20 cities by the time this route commences. TK will probably order another 75 single aisle planes by the end of this year to be able to achieve that.

It is still possible to convert 2-3 773ERs on order to 772LRs from that order and there is always the possibility to get some 787/350 early slots to make this a non stop route.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9941 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):
787/350 early slots to make this a non stop route.

What are the ranges of B787s and A350s? I can imagine the A350-900R can do it, but it won't be available before 2014-2015... And introducing another model (B772LR) to the yet very colourful TK fleet...???


User currently offlineSydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9908 times:

good luck to TK , wonder if they get it better done as e.g. OS , they had to pull out of OZ
due to the fact that one flight a day was to expensive in terms of crews needed and ground handling. and all other European carrier (accept BA & VS) pulled out of OZ


User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4385 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9824 times:



Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 19):

787-9 (8000-8500nm)
350-800 (8300nm)
I guess both will be at the edge of their limit to make it nonstop, IST-SYD

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 19):
And introducing another model (B772LR) to the yet very colourful TK fleet...???

Actually TK is getting better at this;
[A319/320/321] and [A330/340 and 310F]
[B737-400/-700/-800] and [773/and possible 772LR]
That is pretty much a mix of 4 types. Don't you think?


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5074 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9661 times:



Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 16):
Of course our resident-TR expert Alex is their biggest cheer leader Wink

= I am indeed  Smile. Perhaps TK can arrange some ID-00's for me in F? In all seriousness though, some very good J experiences of late, and a vision for the future.

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 16):
I think perhaps the bigger market for TK is connecting the people who live in the "emerging" European countries with Australia.

= Yes. Another thing that I cannot say enough ... Turkey by itself is a O&D destination ... this is not as much true for some of the Gulf states. Istanbul is a fantastic city and thus TK would not be as reliant on connecting pax.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17339 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9455 times:

I can't see a reason why TK needs to be in Australia when one of its Star partners can do the job much better and much cheaper from one of TK's Asian destinations. The CDG market is about five times bigger than IST and that didn't work, and offering a bunch of two stop connections isn't the recipe for success, even if they are very unique destinations.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 11):
= Don't worry - they are beginning to appear on the radar of the pampered trio further down South. As I have mentioned, one of the airlines to truly watch out for the future.

They have a great network and a major O&D base, unlike the vanity projects southeast of them. That said I'd like to see them grow into their network a little bit more rather than overexpand.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4864 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

One thing that has so far been overlooked is alliance membership. If you're going to fly that far you might as well get the miles for it. NZ's longtime Star membership will likely give TK a boost in Australasia. EK, EY and QR certainly don't bring that to the table.

TK's product appears to be catching up to the GCC titans too. TK is advertising in all the right spots (BBC World etc) I really think they can make a go of this provided Jakarta does eventually get dropped.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
25 Iainbhx : You have to remember pricing as well. I'm getting awfully tempted to try going via IST to BKK, HKG or SIN from BHX. Whilst the connections aren't bril
26 Post contains links TK787 : That is funny. I can get it for $1.99 here in NYC. Besides the cheaper fares as far as I know there is a program by TK to take transfer pax to a tour
27 Amax1977 : Sorry for the off topic question! But does any one know if TK have any plan to fly to US West Coast? I cannot wait to see TK at SFO or LAX. Lately, I'
28 Stylo777 : according to rumours LAX is on the focus, but I guess we'll see IAD first.
29 RussianJet : Yes indeed, it is certainly one of the less talked about, underrated middle eastern carriers.
30 SSTsomeday : It seems that the route is intended for low yield passengers, since they are talking about respective "visiting" between the two countries. Indonesia
31 Gemuser : From Australia, I would expect so as QF has fifth freedom rights from IST (although not used for many, many years). From Indonesia I don't know. Gemu
32 Afterburner : Indonesia is 86% Muslim. If TK is indeed have 5th freedom rights from Indonesia and Australia, I believe they want to capture the market of Indonesia
33 Pellegrine : Well Turkey has a significant Muslim population too, I did not think about this aspect until it clicked reading these posts. Maybe that has to do wit
34 Iainbhx : I can get it for 99p in the local supermarket and it's the real stuff from Turkey. But unless I fly TK, I can't get in on a plane That's a great idea
35 Kiwiandrew : If this goes ahead TK will be another member of the 'six continent club' , scanning the above replies I dont think this has been mentioned yet , apolo
36 Post contains images Yeogeo : No offence, but I'm not sure why you are comparing Eastern Europe countries with Turkey.   Turkey is far and away more populous than any of the East
37 Abrelosojos : = So since two countries are both Muslim, they must have significant demand between them? Huh? Turkey and Indonesia are significantly different count
38 TK787 : J travel is doing much better. Here are the TK numbers for Jan-June this year: -Total pax up 9.1% to 11.2 mil. -J pax numbers up 1.5% -Transit pax up
39 AirbusA6 : True, for most Westerners Jakarta is well down the list of places to have a stopover in, in that region, and I doubt many Turkish people would choose
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