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Questions About DL And The 77L  
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

I was wondering on what routes DL is utilizing the 77Ls? I notice they have been sending them to SJU. Why do they send their longest ranging aircraft to SJU? With their absorption of NW, I would think they have many fleet options and flexibility now. Also, I know DL has been very very happy with their 77Ls, how many are currently in the fleet, and how many do they plan to take delivery of? Anyone care to speculate that we will see a conversion of NW's 788s into some more 77Ls, and later 789s?


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User currently offlineB767300ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3749 times:
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During June the 777 were used on the JFK-TLV route, loved flying on the aircraft. In
July the 767-300 returned. SJU is used for crew familiarization as well aas for
aircraft utilization between their normal flight assignments.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3738 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
With their absorption of NW, I would think they have many fleet options and flexibility now.

Not yet. Once they get SOC in December, they'll have *significant* more flexibility. Right now, NW crews can only operate NW aircraft and DL crews can only operate DL aircraft. Because of this, many "satellite" bases have been established. NW crews are now satellite based in SLC and ATL along with a DL satellite base in PDX for the NRT and AMS flights.

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
how many are currently in the fleet,

8x 772ER, 8x 772LR

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
and how many do they plan to take delivery of?

Two more 772LR scheduled for delivery.

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
Anyone care to speculate that we will see a conversion of NW's 788s into some more 77Ls, and later 789s?

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me at all if DL converted a significant number of 787's into 777's. However, it seems there is a rumor that when the last two 772LR's show up, they'll be immediately sub-leased to another carrier, not flying in DL revenue service at all (initially).

So, maybe DL sees no need for immediate or short-term widebody fleet expansion, maybe thinking that the delays (and subsequent compensation) from Boeing on the 787 actually work out to their advantage with regard to long-term widebody fleet expansion and replacement.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10323 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3655 times:

I'd be surpised if DL took delivery on any 788s and waited for the 789, instead.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3617 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
Why do they send their longest ranging aircraft to SJU?

I would venture to guess so that the pilots can get more stick time on the 772LR. Back when DL first started to get the 772ER, they used to fly the type on several domestic runs primarily so to give the pilots more stick time since it was such a new a/c. They used to fly ATL-MCO with the 772ER and at one point routed one a/c ATL-MCO-JFK-MCO-ATL.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3553 times:

I appreciate all of the responses. Thanks so much  thumbsup 


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15695 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3346 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
Why do they send their longest ranging aircraft to SJU?

Because they have it available and it may be for stick time or a shakedown run of a new plane. After all, it's way better to notice a problem in MCO or SJU than in DXB. It isn't horribly uncommon to see DL sub the heavies onto their flights to the Caribbean and Florida.



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User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3184 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
Once they get SOC in December, they'll have *significant* more flexibility. Right now, NW crews can only operate NW aircraft and DL crews can only operate DL aircraft. Because of this, many "satellite" bases have been established. NW crews are now satellite based in SLC and ATL along with a DL satellite base in PDX for the NRT and AMS flights.

There is no such thing as a satellite base. Crews may be deadheaded to start a trip, which is something that went on long before the merger, but there are not satellite bases.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4861 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3061 times:
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Quoting Okie73 (Reply 7):
There is no such thing as a satellite base. Crews may be deadheaded to start a trip, which is something that went on long before the merger, but there are not satellite bases.

Are you just referring to the pilots? 'Cause there are satellite FA bases for the pre-merger NW FAs in ATL and SLC currently; the company doesn't deadhead them to ATL or SLC for the ATL-NRT 744 or the ATL-FCO A333 flights; the FAs commute to ATL for those.

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
I was wondering on what routes DL is utilizing the 77Ls?

JFK-NRT gets the 77L this winter (starting Oct 25). So far, 77Ls are assigned this winter to:

ATL-LAX-SYD
ATL-JNB
JFK-NRT


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

The 777 or at least 16 of them IIRC will be fenced to DL pilots only for 5 years after SOC in the terms of the arbitration agreement. The 744 is fenced for NW pilots.

User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2934 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Are you just referring to the pilots?

yes, the pilots.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17278 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
I would venture to guess so that the pilots can get more stick time on the 772LR.

The real reason is because there's nowhere else to send it, and it's the cheapest option. They have all these 777s and nowhere to go, especially compared to last summer.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9246 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2831 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
The real reason is because there's nowhere else to send it, and it's the cheapest option. They have all these 777s and nowhere to go, especially compared to last summer.

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Now once DL starts to send the 77Es into the lie-flat mod next year then there will be less of stuff like this.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10323 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2805 times:



Quoting Okie73 (Reply 7):
There is no such thing as a satellite base. Crews may be deadheaded to start a trip, which is something that went on long before the merger, but there are not satellite bases.

Oh, really?? You might be interested to see this paragraph from a statement by DL to the F/As regarding the suspension of SLC-NRT....


"Effect on the SLC satellite base
As a result of the SLC-NRT route suspension, the SLC satellite base will close effective October 1. As per the Flight Attendant Agreement, all flight attendants currently participating in the SLC satellite base program will return to their Home Base on October 1. “Home Base” is defined as the base to which the flight attendant was stationed at the time of the award of a satellite base position.
Thanks to all the S-SLC participants, for your dedicated service to the satellite base this past summer. "



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