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OAG Changes 8/6/09: AA/AS/DL/FL/NW/MP/OK  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8129 times:

As usual this compares against what was selling week and not last year. In many cases airlines do not file accurate seasonal schedules until a few months before operation.

How to read, for example:
JFK-NBO 4/wk>1 SEP, OCT, DEC-
This means the flight increases from 4 per week to daily for Sep, Oct, and beyond December...but not November.

Also, don't get too caught up in my description of "NEW" or "CXLD". That's just a way of highlighting when the service is either going to zero or coming from zero. It may be that the service is/was/will be flown at another time and is not technically "canceled" or "new" if viewed over a longer period of time than the period I am referring to.

AA
MIA-GHB NEW 0>4/WK NOV-
MIA-TCB NEW 0>4/WK NOV-
MIA-MHH 1>2 NOV-
MIA-EYW 6>7 NOV-

AS
LAX-MMH 1>2 DEC-
MMH-RNO NEW 0>1 NOV-
MMH-SJC NEW 0>1 NOV-

DL
ATL-MSN CXLD 1>0 SEP-
EWN-ATL 3>2 OCT-
DCA-IND XFER 0>4 OCT- FROM NW
JFK-MEM XFER 0>1 SEP- FROM NW
TLH-MCO CXLD 2>0 OCT-
TLH-TPA CXLD 2>0 OCT-
SLC-MKE CXLD 1>0 OCT-
SLC-STL 3>2 OCT-
SLC-YVR 3>2 OCT-
SLC-DSM CXLD 1>0 SEP-
SLC-FSD CXLD 1>0 SEP-

NW
GTF-MSP 2>1 NOV-

FL
ACY-MCO 3/WK>1 NOV-
ATL-FNT 4>3 NOV-
ATL-HPN 3>2 NOV-
ATL-LAX 4>3 NOV-
ATL-MCI 4>3 NOV-
ATL-MKE 5>4 NOV-
BWI-RIC 3>2 NOV-
MCO-SJU 3>4 FOR HOLIDAY PERIOD
RSW-MDW/MKE/PIT 1>2 FOR THE HOLIDAY PERIOD

LJ
HUM-ICN 0>4/WK JAN-

M5
BFI-CLM NEW 0>4 SEP-
BFI-FRD NEW 0>4 SEP-
CLM-SEA CXLD 5>0 SEP-
FRD-SEA CXLD 4>0 SEP-

MP
MIA-AMS CXLD 5/WK>0 SEP-

OK
JFK-PRG CXLD 1>0 OCT-

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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7903 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
M5
BFI-CLM NEW 0>4 SEP-
BFI-FRD NEW 0>4 SEP-
CLM-SEA CXLD 5>0 SEP-
FRD-SEA CXLD 4>0 SEP-

Kenmore Air's landplanes have always operated out of Boeing Field (BFI). They have not ever operated them from SEA.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7838 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 1):
Kenmore Air's landplanes have always operated out of Boeing Field (BFI). They have not ever operated them from SEA.

I only report what is filed with OAG. I can't explain what airlines file.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7732 times:

I didn't know FL was still flying RIC-BWI. Didn't they used to fly RIC-LGA?

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7632 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 1):
Kenmore Air's landplanes have always operated out of Boeing Field (BFI). They have not ever operated them from SEA.

Kenmore has been showing flights at SEA, but I believe it was just their ground shuttle to/from BFI.

So this means no more included ground transportation for Kenmore pax between BFI and SEA???



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7489 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
I didn't know FL was still flying RIC-BWI. Didn't they used to fly RIC-LGA?



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
FL
ACY-MCO 3/WK>1 NOV-
ATL-FNT 4>3 NOV-
ATL-HPN 3>2 NOV-
ATL-LAX 4>3 NOV-
ATL-MCI 4>3 NOV-
ATL-MKE 5>4 NOV-
BWI-RIC 3>2 NOV-
MCO-SJU 3>4 FOR HOLIDAY PERIOD
RSW-MDW/MKE/PIT 1>2 FOR THE HOLIDAY PERIOD

Sorry, should be BWI-ROC 3>2. That is a typo.


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7400 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
LJ
HUM-ICN 0>4/WK JAN-

LJ is Sierra National Airlines from Sierra Leone in Africa, and it's saying that they are flying from Houma, LA to Incheon in Seoul. This is a mistake, no?


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7290 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
SLC-MKE CXLD 1>0 OCT-
SLC-STL 3>2 OCT-
SLC-YVR 3>2 OCT-
SLC-DSM CXLD 1>0 SEP-
SLC-FSD CXLD 1>0 SEP-

Someone posted SLC-NRT goes away in October. What is up with the cutbacks in SLC?


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7265 times:



Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
LJ
HUM-ICN 0>4/WK JAN-

LJ is Sierra National Airlines from Sierra Leone in Africa, and it's saying that they are flying from Houma, LA to Incheon in Seoul. This is a mistake, no?

My typing is not very good today. SORRY! It's supposed to be GUM-ICN. The airline code is correct. I suspect there is another airline with the same 2 letter code.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7249 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 7):
Someone posted SLC-NRT goes away in October. What is up with the cutbacks in SLC?

SLC has been doing better than all of the DL hubs in the cutbacks. I suspect they are still actually up versus last year. Thus, I wouldn't be shocked they are taking a little haircut.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7193 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 8):
My typing is not very good today. SORRY! It's supposed to be GUM-ICN. The airline code is correct. I suspect there is another airline with the same 2 letter code.

Jin Air is supposed to start that route 4X week in January. Is the service you posted a January start?



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7149 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):

Jin Air is supposed to start that route 4X week in January. Is the service you posted a January start?

Correct "JAN-"


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7096 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
Correct "JAN-"

Thanks, I looked back at the OP but somehow skipped right over that word twice.  embarrassed 



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7058 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):

Thanks, I looked back at the OP but somehow skipped right over that word twice.

What's with all the MMH stuff on AS? I don't know much about MMH. Is that seasonal or something new they are doing? I don't remember it.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7059 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
SLC has been doing better than all of the DL hubs in the cutbacks. I suspect they are still actually up versus last year. Thus, I wouldn't be shocked they are taking a little haircut.

I am surprised with DSM-SLC being cut in reducing West Coast flow.


User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6994 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 7):
Someone posted SLC-NRT goes away in October. What is up with the cutbacks in SLC?

The DSM and FSD cuts at SLC are merely undoing a recent addition by DL as they tried to funnel NW fliers west through SLC rather than MSP. I'm sure a combination of factors made them underwhelming performers, including the fact that the 1x daily flights most likely meant most itineraries still pushed people through MSP anyway. I believe MKE has had off-and-on SLC service, but for reasons similar to those above, it's probably more efficient to let people connect at MSP where they can still reach the major western destinations (not to mention options on YX). The few people on a given day who are flying routes like MKE-SGU probably aren't that surprised by having to double connect.

SLC-STL/YVR are both seasonal reductions that have gone on for a few years, expect to see those frequencies restored again in the spring/summer. SLC-NRT is most likely suffering from issues such as low O&D, competition with in-house LAX/SFO/PDX/SEA-NRT flights, and restricted aircraft performance due to SLC hot-and-high conditions. Obviously that particular cut is being discussed extensively in other threads.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6987 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 13):
What's with all the MMH stuff on AS? I don't know much about MMH. Is that seasonal or something new they are doing? I don't remember it.

LAX-MMH was first offered last season, 1X day frequency.

Apparently both QX and the ski resort were happy with the results. They partnered this year to offer the additional routes and increase LAX.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6789 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-MSN CXLD 1>0 SEP-

wow another suprising ATL cut, along with PIA nad CID previously. At least MSN travelers will still have MEM as an option for southeastern connections.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6535 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
FL
ACY-MCO 3/WK>1 NOV-

Wow FL must be doing well on the route especially with NK in the market also...


User currently offlineAUSisAwesome From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

AC
YYZ-AUS CXLD 5-0 Effective Sep.7


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6153 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 17):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-MSN CXLD 1>0 SEP-

one other thing that surprises me about this is that MSN is keeping CVG and getting ATL cut. I think MSN and Huntington, WV will be the only two cities that have CVG service that don't have ATL service.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7237 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6105 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Apparently both QX and the ski resort were happy with the results. They partnered this year to offer the additional routes and increase LAX.

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Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 17):

wow another suprising ATL cut, along with PIA nad CID previously. At least MSN travelers will still have MEM as an option for southeastern connections.

You wonder if FL will dive into any of those.

Quoting EwRkId (Reply 18):
Wow FL must be doing well on the route especially with NK in the market also...

Seems it...or they are just screwing NK. Hard to tell.

Quoting AUSisAwesome (Reply 19):
YYZ-AUS CXLD 5-0 Effective Sep.7

Not loaded yet for me. I'll probably see it next week.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2919 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6072 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
FL
ATL-MKE 5>4 NOV-

Uh oh...sounds like AirTran isn't doing well in Milwaukee? Or it's a sign that they are coming to truce with Delta, that if Midwest dies then Delta won't challenge AirTran on MKE business markets.

*I'm kidding about thost comments*...but I post this to point out that not every change in flight frequency (plus or minus) is necessarily a bellwether of general performance, nor is it necessarily sending a signal to competitors.

I really do appreciate Enilria posting this information each week, and sometimes the moves posted really are indicative of broader things. But plenty of times, changes which are run-of-the mill seasonal adjustments, or changes which are relatively isolated adjustments, are cited as proof of much bigger things.

Sometimes a cigar is just as cigar, as they say.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6032 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 20):
Huntington, WV will be the only two cities that have CVG service that don't have ATL service.

CVG-HTS is subsidized by the state of WV. I think it ends in 2010.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 22):
Uh oh...sounds like AirTran isn't doing well in Milwaukee? Or it's a sign that they are coming to truce with Delta, that if Midwest dies then Delta won't challenge AirTran on MKE business markets.

Is FL MKE to Florida operations starting up seasonal operations or is that year round?

Yes, Enilria does a great job on these post. Not easy.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2919 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5900 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 23):
Is FL MKE to Florida operations starting up seasonal operations or is that year round?

MKE-MCO has been year-round since 2002.
MKE-TPA has alternated between seasonal and year-round several times, currently year-round..
MKE-RSW is only daily during the peak season, Saturday-only the rest of the year
MKE-FLL is seasonal

So this November MKE-RSW and MKE-FLL daily returns. Beyond that, however, there are no significant seasonal Florida expansions published yet. Come the February schedule, though, it's almost a given they'll do some seasonal increases.


25 Enilria : Actually I agree it isn't a sign of them doing badly. It is probably a symptom of their expansion. The new destinations they have added in some measu
26 Pensacolaguy : Boy -- That lasted long (Being sarcastic) No more Mesaba Airlines SAAB 340s in TLH.
27 SierraAir : Most likely a one-off week around Thanksgiving. 2x daily service is re-available in December.
28 Enilria : As of the day I pulled the data it was loaded until May2010 when it returns to 2. I'm not sure whether your data or my data is more updated, but it w
29 MAH4546 : Nope. Though, too note, FLL-TLH survives, but will become a CRJ.
30 FlyPNS1 : I don't think it even has anything to do with their expansion. It's just a regular seasonal reduction which they've done in past years.
31 Knope2001 : The 5th MKE-ATL was added at the last minute this summer as a replacement for the dropped MKE-Branson flight. It even departed MKE at exaclty the sam
32 Yellowtail : When I read this first, you ahd me all excited that KQ was going to start service or DL was finally getting NBO up and running....THEN i read..."for
33 MSNtriathlete : I am somewhat surprised to see MSN-ATL cut, as DL seemed to like building up its ATL hub. On the other hand, even with some recent trips to ATL, I al
34 Hatbutton : No the OAG update doesn't make any sense. They still offer the shuttle and will continue to offer it even beyond September. So I don't know why it sh
35 Enilria : Sorry for pulling your heartstrings... That's not actually my quote. Anyway, it's just a matter of time, CVG is doomed. It will likely move to DTW or
36 MSNtriathlete : Oops, Sorry Enilria! I hit the wrong "quote" button and mistakenly attributed the quote to you! Thanks for all the time and effort you put into this p
37 CIDflyer : this one is certainly a head scratcher, I would have figured CVG would have been cut before ATL. I could see as the economy improves a lot of the cit
38 EXAAUADL : Anyone else fly these. I would think there would be state traffic Seems like DL will only serve smaller midwestern markets served by FL No, BMI is be
39 FlyPNS1 : Gulfstream (CO Connection) flies TLH-TPA. They fly TLH-MCO but only on Sundays, but with DL gone I wouldn't be surprised to see more service added.
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