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Boy Falls From Airstairs In FRA  
User currently offlinePapertec From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

It's really not funny, and I hope the child recovers quickly. However, I found the photo humorous...if he fell in Frankfurt boarding an Embraer 170 bound for Montreal, it's just as well he didn't get on the flight!!! He'd get a bit wet!  Big grin

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

sounds weird: an AC E-Jet in FRA???


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Photo does not fit to text as usual. Hope he recovers quickly and without any long term consequences.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15489 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7919 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
sounds weird: an AC E-Jet in FRA???

It was an Air Canada plane, but the E-Jet is just a stock photo. The story says 4.5 meters, and the E-jets are not that tall.



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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7288 times:



Quoting Papertec (Thread starter):
However, I found the photo humorous...if he fell in Frankfurt boarding an Embraer 170 bound for Montreal, it's just as well he didn't get on the flight!!! He'd get a bit wet!



Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
sounds weird: an AC E-Jet in FRA???

What's humorous or weird about it? The photo makes no reference at all to it being the particular aircraft in the story. Indeed, it even clearly states it is merely a stock one.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

it was the daily 77W to bound for YUL. the aircraft was parked on the apron and the airstair not correctly attached to the aircraft.

User currently offlineRailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

News agencies reporting on aviation incidents really do love to use the word 'plunging', don't they?  duck 

User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Why would a 777-300 be using stairs for boarding?

Why wasn't the ACFT parked at the terminal with Jetways?


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6055 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 4):
What's humorous or weird about it? The photo makes no reference at all to it being the particular aircraft in the story. Indeed, it even clearly states it is merely a stock one.

Well, it may say "file photo", but personally I'd expect even a "file photo" to be from the right airport, or the right type of aircraft, or (preferably) both, even if not the exact aircraft in question. They just pulled the first pic they could find of an Air Canada plane. Sloppy, but normal these days - why bother to run a photo at all?

Only thing I found in the German press was this from the ARD affiliate for Hesse. Just confirms the article above - he's in the hospital, and apparently the stairs moved away from the aircraft unexpectedly...if my very creaky high school German serves. Hope he recovers...


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6030 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 8):
Why would a 777-300 be using stairs for boarding?

Why wasn't the ACFT parked at the terminal with Jetways?

Normal outside the states. Better than having to wait for a gate!

Leo  Smile



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6029 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 8):
Why would a 777-300 be using stairs for boarding?

Why wasn't the ACFT parked at the terminal with Jetways?

Most major European Airports like FRA and LHR use remote parking you get bussed to a hardstand so you have to use the airstairs. They have Jetways but it is rare to use them.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6020 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 8):
Why would a 777-300 be using stairs for boarding?

Have you ever been to FRA? Many flights including many widebodies park at remote stands and are boarded by mobile stairs after a tedious bus ride (often rather long) from the terminal. That's one reason why I do my best to avoid connecting at FRA.


User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

Mr "Viscount724"....yes I have been all over Europe.

I didn't realize that an aircraft almost as big as a 747 is still using boarding stairs at a major international airport!


User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

Poor thing.
I hope he recovers soon.
DL752 Sad


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Hope he is going to be ok, was just in FRA monday flew back to EWR.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

Quoting USAFDO (Reply 13):
I didn't realize that an aircraft almost as big as a 747 is still using boarding stairs at a major international airport!

Following photos will give you some idea of the number of aircraft that have to park at remote stands at FRA since there simply aren't enough gates at the terminals. I would guess that at least 25% of flights (maybe more) at FRA use remote stands. You will note quite a few widebodies in these photos. The remove parking area extends almost the full length of the airport, probably at least 2 miles. If you want to reduce your chances of a bus ride to/from a remotely-parked aircraft, connect at AMS. The only flights that regularly use remote stands at AMS are shorthaul regional jets up to the size of a Fokker 70/100, mainly KL CityHopper flights. Of all major European hubs, FRA must have the highest percentage of flights that don't part at the terminals. If you have to connect in Germany, MUC is a far more pleasant hub -- my favorite major airport in Europe after ZRH


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User currently offlineRafaelyyz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

I doubt that 747s deplane passengers at the remote stands at FRA. Never happened to me in all my years connecting through FRA. Smaller types, yes, but not a 747.

User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5615 times:



Quoting Rafaelyyz (Reply 17):
I doubt that 747s deplane passengers at the remote stands at FRA. Never happened to me in all my years connecting through FRA. Smaller types, yes, but not a 747.

I boarded a 747 in TLV by airstairs. It was bound for FRA - not saying that is what you were saying - but it is done elsewhere so I don't see why at FRA it wouldn't be a possibility.



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User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

Anyone knows the estimated difference in payment to Fraport for using the terminal vs using the remote stand?

Quoting Rafaelyyz (Reply 17):
I doubt that 747s deplane passengers at the remote stands at FRA.

Yes, UA 744 with new cabin uses the apron. I actually like it, all the sights and excitement on the tarmac. It is not that bad.



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2336 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5328 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 8):
Why would a 777-300 be using stairs for boarding?

Why wasn't the ACFT parked at the terminal with Jetways?

Of the MANY times I've been to FRA for whatever reason, the AC flights regardless of equipment has always been docked at at gate. I'm actually surprised that it was boarding via the stairs as it doesn't seem to be the norm...

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
Have you ever been to FRA? Many flights including many widebodies park at remote stands and are boarded by mobile stairs after a tedious bus ride (often rather long) from the terminal. That's one reason why I do my best to avoid connecting at FRA.

True. However I've used the air stairs uncountable times there but it has always been either getting off or getting onto a LH aircraft whether it is widebody or shorthaul... When it comes to flying non LH airlines at FRA, I've always had a gate. Does the airport authority usually try to give non LH airlines gates more often or is it just a "first come first serve" kind of thing?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15489 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4767 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 18):
Yes, UA 744 with new cabin uses the apron. I actually like it, all the sights and excitement on the tarmac. It is not that bad.

I agree. It is always a bit nicer to walk across the ramp.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 19):
Of the MANY times I've been to FRA for whatever reason, the AC flights regardless of equipment has always been docked at at gate. I'm actually surprised that it was boarding via the stairs as it doesn't seem to be the norm...

Previous experience isn't particularly relevant here because gates in Europe, unlike the US, are generally common use. Any flight may show up at any gate on a given day and it is relatively rare for an airline to have their own dedicated gates.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4494 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
The remove parking area extends almost the full length of the airport, probably at least 2 miles. If you want to reduce your chances of a bus ride to/from a remotely-parked aircraft, connect at AMS. The only flights that regularly use remote stands at AMS are shorthaul regional

It is running over the full lenght, which is rather 5 km or roughly 3 miles. I prefer a bus ride over a walk to gate A43 BTW.

There are several reasons for the fact that there are so many remote stands, space is the most important. However, Fraport is investing large amounts to improve the situation. Pier 0 at terminal 1 is under construction and T3 on the former site of the airbase will be started soon.



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 19):
I've always had a gate. Does the airport authority usually try to give non LH airlines gates more often or is it just a "first come first serve" kind of thing?

Fraport is not an "authority" but a listed corporation. The airlines get what they want and pay for. In peak times gates are scarce, but I can assure you that the airline with the highest portion of departures from remote stands is LH.

Quoting Rafaelyyz (Reply 16):
doubt that 747s deplane passengers at the remote stands at FRA. Never happened to me in all my years connecting through FRA. Smaller types, yes, but not a 747.

Have done that before, both in and outbound. Fraport has stairs fore the 747, even with canopies. so that passengers don't get bwet.


Most important is that the boy hopefully recovers soon. There was no report on his condition in the local media, I assume that the parents don't want the publicity. Fraport has a clinic on site at the airport with and medical assistance is available immediately. There is an investigation by the LBA under way why the stairs failed and there will be an official report in a couple of months.



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4406 times:



Quoting Rafaelyyz (Reply 16):
I doubt that 747s deplane passengers at the remote stands at FRA. Never happened to me in all my years connecting through FRA. Smaller types, yes, but not a 747.

it's more common these days with 333/343/346 equipment, but honestly boarding a 747 at a remote stand is a regular sight in FRA. actually FRA is famous for that. due to the opening of the four A380 gates last year (C13-C16) you don't see that much often now. they arrive at the gate, deboard the pax and get towed to a remote, maintenance and later get towed again to the gate and prepare for the flight. these procedures are more common now in FRA.

another reason why in FRA the possibility to get bused to the aircraft is higher then somewhere else is the current construction work on the B pier. they recently finished the East section (gates B22-B28) and now they're working on B42-B48. Therefore a lot of widebody gate are simply not available. Considering Air Canada often uses this gates and has two 77W departures in the morning is very logic to see them boarding with buses.


User currently offlineFRACO7X From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4378 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 18):
Anyone knows the estimated difference in payment to Fraport for using the terminal vs using the remote stand?

As far as I can remember it parking on a remote stand is half the price compared to a gate position. This is only for the stand itself. Hence being on a remote position is quite cheaper as you do not have to pay for the buses as they are included in the infrastructure charge which the airlines are paying to the airport anyway.

This is my information but it is almost two years old.


User currently offlineBananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1570 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4357 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 10):
Most major European Airports like FRA and LHR use remote parking you get bussed to a hardstand so you have to use the airstairs. They have Jetways but it is rare to use them.

That's not entirely accurate. Many major european airports do use remote parking as well, but I wouldn't say that it is rare to use a jetway. LHR has a large majority of aircraft stands with jetways, and the above photos show FRA to be the same.

Poor kid though. Reading the story, it sounds like he'll make a full recovery.

Mark



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25 Andz : Rare to use the jetways? Of all the times I have been through FRA and LHR I have done a hardstand boarding/deplaning once at each. I have never board
26 Enginebird : Sorry, but I have to disagree there. The statement is not only "not entirely accurate" (see post 24), it is simply and plainly totally wrong. I have
27 FRACO7X : Looks like. He and his family are flying back home today.
28 Flybyguy : Why don't they use the telescopic buses JFK used to have when boarding aircraft at remote stands? Were they unsafe, expensive or simply not manufactur
29 FraT : OK, that's what I know: Nearly all AC flights arriving on wednesday were late due to the weather situation in Eastern Canada. That might be a reason w
30 Doona : Isn't it a bit unpractical? Having a number of those buses each moving up and docking with the aircraft would take alot longer than just using regula
31 PanHAM : [ that is exactly why these mobile lounges did not succeed. I had to use these at YMX and IAD a couple of times and it always took ages to board and l
32 Olympic472 : If it is still the case then this is quite an incentive for using the remote stand. Thanks for the info.
33 Viscount724 : You're lucky. I've seen quite a few widebodies (although rarely 747s) boarding from remote stands at FRA. On narrowbodies, I normally just assume tha
34 GQ : Not true...I've been on several 744 LH IAD-FRA flights and most often deplane via stairs at a hardstand
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