EmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15483 times:
Whilst having a browse at EK schedules for next year I have noticed a couple of changes..!
EK414 changes from a A345 to a 77L
EK 414 P4 A2 J7 C7 I0 Y9 O9 E9 R0 W0*DXBSYD 0140 2230 77L
EK225 - changes from 77L to 77W
EK 225 P4 A0 J7 C7 I0 Y9 O9 E9 R9 W9*DXBSFO 0855 1255 77W
I'm sure there are more but these are the ones I noticed. INteresting to see SFO change to a 77W as this is a capacity increase and also I didnt think the 77W could do DXB-SFO?! without a load penalty anyway.
MogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15216 times:
Quoting EmiratesUK (Thread starter): I'm sure there are more but these are the ones I noticed. INteresting to see SFO change to a 77W as this is a capacity increase and also I didnt think the 77W could do DXB-SFO?! without a load penalty anyway.
77L excels when you need to carry tons of cargo along with pax. EK probably thinks pax load is high but cargo load is low, so 77W with penalty is worth more than 77L at MTOW.
For the record, CX operates 2x JFK-HKG on 77W (the nonstops, a 3rd one via YVR), which is 7014nm. DXB-SFO is only another 27nm.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12854 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14782 times:
Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 1): For the record, CX operates 2x JFK-HKG on 77W (the nonstops, a 3rd one via YVR), which is 7014nm. DXB-SFO is only another 27nm.
Also recall the 77W has a recent slight range increase. IIRC from 7880nm to 7930nm. While 50nm is normally in the noise, it will improve the DXB-SFO economics. Only a little more range required to make it to LAX!
If SFO keeps doing well, I wonder if in ~2012 it will go A388.
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3): It will be interesting to see what use they make of their 345s over the Winter, especially with 'ERG returning to line service by the end of November.
That it will. I wonder if they are being moved to shorter routes due to fuel burn. Personally, I think its a sub-type ready to be shown the door. Alas, who would buy them? Resale has to be really poor right now.
Note: this is just building on my opinion that EK has too many aircraft/seating configurations types for the missions its flying. I just do not see the fleet planning hassle/need for 77A's, 773's, 77E's, 77W's, 77L's, A332's, A343's, A345's, and A388's. Most have multiple seating configurations too! I would like to see the 77A, 77E's, A343's, and A345's replaced with a mix of 77W's and A333's. Yea... market resale and lease obligations would slow the transition. But in my opinion, its just too many different types and seating configurations for the best fleet planning.
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Ek-a380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14601 times:
Maybe they will use the A345 on the 3rd daily early bird to/from MAN?
So many rumours about this 3rd daily but as yet nothing released... it must be one of the longest rumours going... wish they would let us know either way what their plans are for MAN and also Pakistan (except KHI)
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13172 times:
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7): I wonder does EK have a technical stop between DXB and SFO while flying westbound with a 77W.
Highly unlikely. CX has been operating the 77W for months JFK-HKG nonstop (7014 nm) which is almost the same distance as DXB-SFO (7041 nm).
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7): s it possible EK could use SNN as such a refueling stop?
If they ever did have to make a fuel stop, they would be more likely to stop at a point in Canada like YEG/YYC/YVR much closer to the great circle route than SNN. The usual routing westbound from DXB to SFO often passes very close to the North Pole and doesn't even cross Europe.
DXB-SFO nonstop great circle 7041 nm
DXB-YVR-SFO 7044 nm
DXB-YEG-SFO 7077 nm
DXB-YYC-SFO 7084 nm
DXB-SNN-SFO 7678 nm
Eastbound flights usually take somewhat more southerly routings to benefit from jetstream tailwinds.
Globetraveller From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 379 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11910 times:
Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11): How are EK's loads from SFO & LAX-DXB? I'm interested to know how the premium cabins are doing. I'm sure Y is holding it's own on a strong note with a great deal of connections to India? True?
I know this is not SFO & LAX, but I recently flew on the DXB-IAH route and the aircraft was 100% full in all classes. In fact, I later learned that the flight was overbooked and that this was happening quite often over the past few weeks.
Yeah, I'm curious too. A member on the IAHSpotters reported for the first half of the year, EK had an average load factor of 74% to IAH and 75% from IAH. Not bad considering QR for the first half of the year had an average load factor of 64% to IAH and 72% from IAH. How are SFO and LAX doing, and also JFK due to the downgrade from the A380?
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LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11699 times:
Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 12): I know this is not SFO & LAX, but I recently flew on the DXB-IAH route and the aircraft was 100% full in all classes. In fact, I later learned that the flight was overbooked and that this was happening quite often over the past few weeks.
I believe these are very different markets. IAH is filled with lots of people in the oil business while SFO & LAX I would think do not.
Atomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9496 times:
Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 15): I will miss seeing the 77L at SFO since it is my favorite 777, but it's great to know the route is doing well. When I'm at SFO it seems to be lots of families on the flight.
Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 15): I have to agree, I'll miss the 77L as well. SFO seems to be turning into a 77W mecca. Specially when CX eventually deploys them here.
Yeah, the 77L is my favorite too, and EK is the only airline to ever operate one to SFO (besides the Boeing test aircraft that came several years back). We get 77W's aplenty though.... SQ, BR, JL, NH... and 9W until they terminated service several months ago.
Maybe someday, if the economy picks back up, AI will bring in a 77L?
I dont believe there is much doubt amongst anyone that EK can be quite successful in these markets thanks to the shear numbers of onward connectivity opportunities it can offer beyond DXB. I know sales reps for BA have noted to me that EK has definitely had an effect on its West Coast traffic make up.
In the longer terms I definitely see LAX also becoming a A380 destination as the carrier has hinted at this already few times, unless it alternately decides to run additionally frequencies with the 77L.
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