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Does Anyone In North America Fly The BAe 146/ ARJ?  
User currently offlineBluestreak From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8322 times:

I missed my opportunity to fly on a BAE 146 a few years ago, now I have discovered no one flies them (at least that I can find) in the United States. Even Air Canada retired theirs a few years ago and I am having trouble finding operating airlines with this aircraft outside of Europe, or Asia. It seemed those planes were fairly numerous a few years ago in the US, with United Express, NW Airlink and even ASA and Business Express flying them at one time. I may have missed my opportunity to fly on one of these unique aircraft unless I travel to Europe soon, before they are gone from there also.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8301 times:

Quoting Bluestreak (Thread starter):
I missed my opportunity to fly on a BAE 146 a few years ago, now I have discovered no one flies them (at least that I can find) in the United States. Even Air Canada retired theirs a few years ago and I am having trouble finding operating airlines with this aircraft outside of Europe, or Asia. It seemed those planes were fairly numerous a few years ago in the US, with United Express, NW Airlink and even ASA and Business Express flying them at one time. I may have missed my opportunity to fly on one of these unique aircraft unless I travel to Europe soon, before they are gone from there also.

Yes, that's correct. No one in North America flies 146s or ARJs any longer, as Air Wisconsin retired them in April of 2006. I actually cleaned them as part of a UA cabin service contract with DGS in the summer of 2005. Nice airplanes.

[Edited 2009-08-08 10:03:44]


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User currently offlineBluestreak From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8277 times:

I had actually booked a flight on a United Express (Air Wisconsin) 146 in 2005, but about a month before my flight, they switched the service from a 146 to a CRJ! I was a bit upset, but figured I would catch another 146 at some point. The same thing happened several years ago when I attempted to fly on a USAir BAC-111, there was an F-100 sitting at the gate when I arrived.


"Well, we barely made the airport, for the last plane out, as we taxied down the runway, I could hear the people shout"
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8270 times:



Quoting Bluestreak (Reply 2):
I had actually booked a flight on a United Express (Air Wisconsin) 146 in 2005, but about a month before my flight, they switched the service from a 146 to a CRJ! I was a bit upset, but figured I would catch another 146 at some point. The same thing happened several years ago when I attempted to fly on a USAir BAC-111, there was an F-100 sitting at the gate when I arrived.

The BACs were retired in early 1989, to make way for the F100s. Boy, you haven't had luck getting old A/C types, have you?  Wink



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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1764 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8252 times:



Quoting Bluestreak (Reply 2):
I had actually booked a flight on a United Express (Air Wisconsin) 146 in 2005, but about a month before my flight, they switched the service from a 146 to a CRJ!

I similarly missed out on the ARJ85 with NW Airlink. I had booked the STL-MSP and MSP-STL legs of a trip to Alaska on the Avro, but schedule changes a few months out resulted in a CRJ on the first leg and a DC-9 on the last. Knowing the seating configuration NW had the Avro in, I knew I was getting the short end of the stick by far on the CRJ!


User currently offlineBluestreak From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8252 times:

Boy, you haven't had luck getting old A/C types, have you?


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I did feel lucky to be able to fly on the USAir F-28's before they were gone, as well as the Shorts 360, and Aloha's 737-200's. I have flown on many DC-10's, L-1011's and 727's, but those few like the 146 and the BAC-111 that got away bug me sometimes.



"Well, we barely made the airport, for the last plane out, as we taxied down the runway, I could hear the people shout"
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8235 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 4):
Knowing the seating configuration NW had the Avro in, I knew I was getting the short end of the stick by far on the CRJ!

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Pitch on the Avros was great, but for whatever reason, I found the seats really uncomfortable.

Back on topic, there are a few 146s flying around the States as business jets, not that that helps you. N114M is one that I know about, though I think there are a few others.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N114M



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8206 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):

Pitch on the Avros was great, but for whatever reason, I found the seats really uncomfortable.

NW was scope-limited with the number of seats on the Avros - I think it was 69 seats. Hence why there was a 16 seat first class cabin and rather spacious room in coach - the plane could have held a lot more people.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8158 times:

The last scheduled 146/avro flight in the states was on December 1, 2006 when Mesaba operated its last revenue flight from ROC to DTW. It was a sad day indeed.

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8133 times:

I flew on a NW Airlink Avro in 2004, great ride. Very quiet takeoff, seemed like they barely spun up the engines. I had chosen a DFW-MEM-AMS-FRA routing rather than some more direct options, just to get on the Avro, DC-10 and F70. Thankfully it worked out and there were no changes or substitutions, but it was an exhausting trip, had a long wait in AMS to my connecting flight to FRA. The whole trip was upwards of 20 hours after my train ride from FRA to CGN.

Of course the highlight of the trip was the 747SP Big grin



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User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8063 times:



Quoting Bluestreak (Reply 5):
and the BAC-111 that got away bug me sometimes

Bluestreak you need to get yourself over to the KyrgyzRepublic. Flying a 1-11 no probs there, along with Il-18 and 707

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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

I think AC Jazz also had them in their fleet.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7918 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
NW was scope-limited with the number of seats on the Avros - I think it was 69 seats.

Yup... BEX actually flew Avro RJ 69's...we'd joke



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User currently offlineLeftCoaster From Cayman Islands, joined Nov 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7909 times:



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 11):
I think AC Jazz also had them in their fleet.

Yep - I flew them YVR-YXS a number of times.


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

If you want to fly a BAe146, go to Europe and fly Brussels Airlines, they have a huge fleet of them.

Also - several of the airlines flying into London City use it because it is one of the few jets that can do the steep glideslope there.

I've seen a bunch of BAe146s at LGW, the name of the UK-based operator is escaping me.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7779 times:



Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 14):
If you want to fly a BAe146, go to Europe and fly Brussels Airlines, they have a huge fleet of them.

And Swiss. LX still has 20 Avro RJ100s. With 5-abreast seating like those operated by LX and SN they're very comfortable, one of my favourite naorrowbody types. But with 6-abreast seating as used by several operators in Europe (LH Regional for one) they are cramped and uncomfortable and best avoided. Most BAe146s and Avros operated in North America were 5-abreast.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7743 times:
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I loved Air Whisky's BAE-146's. The seats were quite wide (supposedly 19" per UA's site) and the front row had loads of legroom.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7669 times:



Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 14):
If you want to fly a BAe146, go to Europe and fly Brussels Airlines, they have a huge fleet of them.

BA has some too, but they will be retired in favor of E-Jets so don't wait around too long. Make sure you fly into or out of LCY since that is a pretty fun airport, and pray for an empty flight. Those things really shouldn't have six wide seats.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

Air Canada's regional affilate Jazz flew several BAE146s in red/green/orange/yellow liveries from the mid-90s to 2004 or so. I believe they were also operated by Air Alliance prior to that.


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

I miss the XJ AR8's...those were some of the best rides I've ever had on a regional jet.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5122 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7221 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Back on topic, there are a few 146s flying around the States as business jets, not that that helps you. N114M is one that I know about, though I think there are a few others.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N114M

Someone in PSP owns that 146, and they have had it for some time now. I saw one in 1995 or 1996 parked next to a hangar across from the runway. I think they got one of LAS based Tristar Airlines 146's after they folded. Tristar flew the 146 from LAS to GCN, LAX, SFO, ASE, EUG, and RNO. Nice plane indeed!

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
I loved Air Whisky's BAE-146's. The seats were quite wide (supposedly 19" per UA's site) and the front row had loads of legroom.

Flew them several times. I wish they would have kept them. I wonder how sexy they would have looked in UA's newer paint job?



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7164 times:



Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):
Air Canada's regional affilate Jazz flew several BAE146s in red/green/orange/yellow liveries from the mid-90s to 2004 or so. I believe they were also operated by Air Alliance prior to that.

There are several of them painted white sitting on a remote pad across from the WS hangar in YYC. Been there for years,seems no one want them. Speaking of the 146,what does BAE stand for? Buy Another Engine. Had the pleasure of flying on it a couple of times,still remember the sound of the landing gear getting lowered...thump! You could tell which passengers were on their first 146 flight,they looked a little pale.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5231 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6973 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 19):


I miss the XJ AR8's...those were some of the best rides I've ever had on a regional jet.

I lucked out and got to fly one on MEM-STL before they were retired. I never thought of the Avro's as RJ's even though they were essentially just that, and marketed as such. I mean, Convair 880/990's had 5 abreast seating and four engines as well!



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Amazing to think now that they were such a common sight at SNA when I lived out there, and flew on them regularly, both AirCal and PSA. Nice birds, and the freaky howl when the flaps were deployed.

I fly to AUS for Texas football games, and there is usually a very nice 146 in executive configuration there for games as well; I am told it is flown-in from Ft. Worth, but cannot independently verify that. Perhaps some day I can encounter (intercept? stalk?) the flight crew in the FBO and get a tour...



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User currently offlineUNDpilot From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

Avro's were great. I use to fly them on the MSP-GFK route that NW operated in 2000 and 2001. They were operated along with the DC-9 and Saab. The pitch and width of the seats were stellar. Very comfortable ride.

In 1999, I met the NW Chief Pilot for the Avro in Seattle. He told me that the reason they only had 69 seats was a result of an FAA regulation that put a ceiling on the amount of seats on a 'regional jet'. As a result, the plane had to have less than 70 seats. Interesting stuff.


25 TupolevTu154 : Titan (rarely) and SN Brussels are the only airlines operating them into LGW. SN Brussels is a mix of A319 and 146 and Titan do the odd charter/sub h
26 Manu : I was lucky to fly on the BAe-146 with Alliance (AC) many times in the 90's from Ottawa to Halifax. I even got to ride on the flight deck between Mont
27 Viscount724 : It was BAe (with a small e) and stood for British Aerospace. They merged with another British electronics company a few years ago and changed their n
28 TSS : The Northwest Airlink RJ85's are what led me to this website. I got a good look at one flying over a store that's in line with the Northwest approach
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