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SCK - 3-year Pax Count Records In June And July  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Stockton (SCK) and the nearby areas of Modesto, Merced, etc. have been some of the worse hit areas of the US housing crash.

Yet Allegiant to LAS has seen its highest SCK passengers enplaned numbers the last 2 months.

June 2009 - 3,173
July 2009 - 3.325

For comparison, July 2008 saw 2,711 passengers. That's a nice jump during tough times in that area.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...icle?AID=/20090808/A_BIZ/908080313


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
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It sure is nice to see that SCK is actually doing well.

Living there for a year (1979-80) and seeing UA, PS, RW pullout and Frontier I entry, and numerous commuters come and go, it is good to see sustained activity.
Traveling thru there last Summer, I stopped at SCK to watch the G4 flight, and was amused and not surprised that the terminal had barely changed in the time since I'd been gone.

With G4's LAX operation, think 3/wk to LAX could be worthwhile?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3350 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 1):
With G4's LAX operation, think 3/wk to LAX could be worthwhile?

I thought SCK-LAX made more sense than MRY-LAX. Maybe in the near future?



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

I grew up in Stockton and return frequently to take care of family business. I have watched many carriers come and go and have flown on many of them to SFO and LAX: Golden Gate, Air Pacific, Pacific Express, PSA to name just a few. I also hope that G4 will begin Stockton-LAX service. Modesto did have UAX service but I believe it was cut. I am very happy to see G4 doing so well.

[Edited 2009-08-09 08:24:38]

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3250 times:



Quoting DesertAir (Reply 3):
Modesto did have UAX service but I believe it was cut. I am very happy to see G4 doing so well.

MOD-LAX was cut in June 2008.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
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My sister works for CSU-Stan and took MOD-LAX quite a bit. Now, though, either goes from SMF or just drive whole way. But the way things are now, the business trips have been curtailed a lot anyhow.

Off topic a bit, what other carriers tried SCK service? I know:
United
American Eagle
StatesWest/USAirways Exp
PSA then US Air
Airwest/Hughes Airwest
Inland Empire
Yosemite
Golden Gate
Air Pacific
Frontier
Continental
America West Exp
West Air



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Off the top of my head I can't think of any others. But your list might miss some of the small airlines from the 50s and 60s or earlier. I don't know if anyone was there prior to UAL.

The terminal building opened in 1964 so there are possibly airlines you missed.

WhatUSaid is pretty good on California airlines pre-deregulation, if he sees this he might think of some.

But then there are also the airlines who "said" they would or might start at SCK and never did. A few I can think of:
WinAir
AeroMexico
Community Air



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
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I did forget Pacific Express.

Maybe Aspen Airways. I know they served MOD as an interim carrier in early 80s sometime. Guess after GG demise.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3157 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 7):
I did forget Pacific Express.

Maybe Aspen Airways. I know they served MOD as an interim carrier in early 80s sometime. Guess after GG demise.

Aspen did SCK with CV 580s... They pulled out of SCK and kept MOD going before calling it quits.

Off hand, I can't think of any carrier that served SCK that's not been mentioned unless you want to go inside the mergers - such as Pacific Airlines becoming Airwest becoming Hughes Airwest, etc....

There were so many short-term commuter airlines that its possible that Cal-State or some other short-lived carrier tried the market. SCK was a revolving door after UA pulled out.

I remember well, the CAB saying that in the post-deregulation environment that cities wouldn't lose all airline service. Yea, right. Guess the CAB never heard of Stockton. Sad - as it's a great little terminal that could attract traffic from the Tri-Valley if properly marketed.


User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

The Modesto City Council unanimously approved a resolution at the August 5th meeting to hire an outside firm to submit of a Small Community Air Service Development Grant for MOD. This is being done in hopes of regaining service to LAX.

http://www.modestogov.com/sirepub/ca...cktuqig/9538808092009110801171.PDF

If Modesto is successful in acquiring funds, it will be interesting to see if we can attract QX or if the funds will go to OO again. Also, what G4 will do up in SCK...


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3097 times:



Quoting Buzz100ca (Reply 9):
The Modesto City Council unanimously approved a resolution at the August 5th meeting to hire an outside firm to submit of a Small Community Air Service Development Grant for MOD. This is being done in hopes of regaining service to LAX.

It will be interesting to see if MOD can get new service to LAX and also will it work without a subsidy after a potential grant ends.

I do see one new hurdle, this time it would be in competition with MCE-ONT flights. Not LAX but still Southern California service that is only about 30 or 35 miles from MOD. It could pull possibly a few passengers away from a MOD-LAX flight.

I know the ONT flights out of Visalia pull some Fresno pax away from LAX. VIS is about 35-40 miles from Fresno.

The last MOD-LAX attempt by Skywest ended June 2008, Great Lakes started Merced to Southern California in Sept 2008. Previously, Merced was seeing flights to Vegas.

So last time there wasn't a close alternative to Modesto for Southern California service.

And if Allegiant were to start SCK-LAX then that becomes a second hurdle for Modesto.



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1561 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Forgive me for taking liberties with this off topic question. Has any consideration been given to creating an airport authority for the area?

I think it would be of benefit to MCE, MOD and SCK to collectively attack their degradation of air service.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3039 times:



Quoting Aaway (Reply 11):
Forgive me for taking liberties with this off topic question. Has any consideration been given to creating an airport authority for the area?

I think it would be of benefit to MCE, MOD and SCK to collectively attack their degradation of air service.

Over the years there has been talk. The last time seems to have been in the year 2000 when another study was done. (They seem to study it every 15 to 20 years)

But the local politics and lack of trust or agreement so far have prevented any action.

For example, back in the 1980s SCK was unilaterally renamed by San Joaquin County. The name Modesto was added (calling it Stockton/Modesto Regional Airport) which caused an uproar that it was being done without permission or agreement. It was seen as an attempt to become the regional airport and steal service from MOD. The rename was quickly reversed.

BTW, there are 4 airports in the area trying to get/increase commercial service. KMER, the old Castle AFB now called Castle Airport, also wants commercial service.



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User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3027 times:

For the past decade, MOD has consistently had the most passenger enplanements of the northern central valley airports (MOD, SCK, MER). My hope is that with the money being brought to the table for airfield improvements, new terminal designs, and new service through the SCASD, Modesto will keep the upper hand.  twocents 

I understand the argument that Stockton deserves all the service because of its runway length and terminal size, but its proximity to SMF could be a hurdle for future route growth.

Quoting Buzz100ca (Reply 9):
The Modesto City Council unanimously approved a resolution at the August 5th meeting to hire an outside firm to submit of a Small Community Air Service Development Grant for MOD.

I have just learned that DOT regulations state that an airport can not reapply for service for a route that it has lost through SCASD funding. Meaning that MOD can not apply for MOD-LAX.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3017 times:



Quoting Buzz100ca (Reply 13):
I have just learned that DOT regulations state that an airport can not reapply for service for a route that it has lost through SCASD funding. Meaning that MOD can not apply for MOD-LAX.

So lets see, MOD has wanted SEA flights for some time so maybe that on QX.

Maybe CRJ flights to SLC, PHX or DEN?

I have to think the MOD-LAS would be a long shot with Allegiant so close. But you never know.

It will be interesting to see what they think they can land.



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User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

From what I have heard it seems to be between SLC and PHX.

My dream would be for QX to come in and duplicate a STS scenario but that's a long shot.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

The PHX would be interesting since America West Express didn't work at SCK a few years ago.


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
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Now would it be feasible to operate a regional jet out of MOD? Due to limited runway length, could you takeoff with full load of pax and enough fuel to go to PHX ( for example) at say 3:00pm in August?
Some may say 'well UA flew 737s into MOD', but the longest stage was to SFO or VIS, hardly needing much fuel load.

Anyway, I am more partial to SCK.



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User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2976 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 17):
Now would it be feasible to operate a regional jet out of MOD?

I'm pretty sure that a fully loaded CRJ-200 can make it in and out of MOD no problem. Anything bigger than that is a little bit iffy.

Modesto isnt THAT short. We still have a longer runway than SNA!
(I'm aware of the role weather plays on takeoff, I'm more partial to MOD  Smile )


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2964 times:



Quoting Buzz100ca (Reply 18):


Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 17):
Now would it be feasible to operate a regional jet out of MOD?

I'm pretty sure that a fully loaded CRJ-200 can make it in and out of MOD no problem. Anything bigger than that is a little bit iffy.

Modesto isnt THAT short. We still have a longer runway than SNA!
(I'm aware of the role weather plays on takeoff, I'm more partial to MOD   )

Did Pacific Express run 111's from MOD to LAS or was it just LAX - memory is fading.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2944 times:



Quoting Buzz100ca (Reply 18):
Modesto isnt THAT short. We still have a longer runway than SNA

MOD is about a 5900 foot runway isn't it?



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User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Yep, 5,911 feet. The most recent update to the Airport Master Plan completed last year suggested a ~500 foot extension which would put 28R/10L at just over 6400 feet.

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2932 times:
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Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 19):
Did Pacific Express run 111's from MOD to LAS or was it just LAX - memory is fading.

Yes, Pacific Express shortly ran LAS-MOD-SCK-LAS trips. Starting 9/7/93 thru end Nov 93. Was daily then FrSaSu eff 10/30/93.

The flights were all scheduled to stop in SCK first, with nonstops on return trip.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2925 times:
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Obviously I meant 1983 above not 93 lol.


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